Something that I want to know about The Ocean Group of DBZ

[Im insaneFromEarth]

I'm sorry if a post like this has been made before. I do love the The Ocean Group dub for the first two sagas of DBZ, I really like the voice actors like Scott McNeil as Piccolo. And I love Brian Drummond as Vegeta. What I want to know is how much of Dragon Ball Z did they dub? I'm thinking that they did all of the episodes, but a friend of mine said they only did the first two sagas. Also were could I buy all of the dvd's? I would love to have all of Dragon Ball Z with those voices. Without paying a arm and a leg for. I have the Funimation ones but like I said, I love those voices and I would love to own all of the episodes on dvd.

This might be a pointless post since most people I know hate that dub.

[El Diabeetus]

The first 68 episodes (edited down into 53) and about 118-291 (which ever episode Trunks appears). If I remember correctly.

[Ringworm128]

They did a VERY poor dub for the Cell arc that makes Funimations dub of that arc look like the dub for Death Note. They also did a somewhat better dub for the Buu arc. And no, they're not on DVD or VHS.

[Gonstead]

The first 68 episodes (edited down into 53) and about 118-291 (which ever episode Trunks appears). If I remember correctly.

Actually, it was the episode just after Trunks gave Goku the message about the heart-virus and the future threat of the Androids.

And yeah, these episodes have never been released officially. Only the first 68 episodes (edited down into 53) are available on VHS and DVD.

[Ringworm128]

They also did the first 13 episodes of Dragonball and the first DB movie. Oh and they did some pretty good dubs for the first 3 Z movies.

[Im insaneFromEarth]

Really, no dvd's of them besides the ones that I have on dvd and VHS, that sucks. Thank you everyone. But what are the odds that they will ever come out on dvd? Also were can I watch all of them? If they have a web site for that. I just wish they were out on dvd.

Also I heard about the Cell arc not being as good.

[Ringworm128]

Do you really want this on DVD? http://youtu.be/dF7rZeAfOaE Also if you thought Dameon Clarke was campy/hammy as Cell you ain't seen nothing yet.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Really, no dvd's of them besides the ones that I have on dvd and VHS, that sucks. Thank you everyone. But what are the odds that they will ever come out on dvd? Also were can I watch all of them? If they have a web site for that. I just wish they were out on dvd.

Also I heard about the Cell arc not being as good.

DBZ's home video release history in the English-speaking world is about as convoluted and confusing as they come. Fortunately, most of us here on Kanzenshuu have a relatively good understanding of what has otherwise been a VERY confusing release history.

The edited, Ocean-dubbed episodes 1-53, along with the three edited movies that they dubbed, can be found in the "Rock the Dragon" DVD Box set. A link to it can be found here.

The movies on that box set are the TV-edited versions, but uncut versions were produced as well with the Ocean cast. The three uncut, Ocean-dubbed movies are no longer in print, but can still be found online very easy. Here's a link to a box set containing all three of them.

FUNimation was always the producer, but they took over every aspect of the English dub's production starting at (edited) episode 54. For reasons that have never been officially confirmed, the Ocean cast returned to do an alternate English dub of DBZ starting at the episode where Trunks warns Goku about the heart virus. This dub aired in Holland, the UK, and Canada on TV only, with no home video release. In between edited episode 54 and that episode, there exists no dub whatsoever that uses the Ocean cast. The FUNimation dub is literally the only English dub of that pack of roughly 50-60 episodes.

Since a lot of this alternate English dub was recorded at Westwood Studios, this dub is commonly referred to by its unofficial nickname, the "Westwood Dub." The Westwood dub used recycled music from other shows, such as Mega Man. It's also the general consensus that, even though mostly the same actors returned, the performances in this dub were not as good as the Ocean dub. It has been suggested, although never confirmed, that part of this was because they had an extremely rushed production schedule.

As for whether or not the Westwood Dub will get a DVD release.........I would say that that's highly unlikely. Then again, I never thought FUNimation would re-release the Ocean dub on the "Rock the Dragon" DVD box set, so who knows. I wouldn't hold my breath over it, though.

[Kuwabara]

Also if you thought Dameon Clarke was campy/hammy as Cell

Does anyone honestly think that? Clarke's various takes on Cell are among the better performances in the FUNimation dub.

[Im insaneFromEarth]

Really, no dvd's of them besides the ones that I have on dvd and VHS, that sucks. Thank you everyone. But what are the odds that they will ever come out on dvd? Also were can I watch all of them? If they have a web site for that. I just wish they were out on dvd.

Also I heard about the Cell arc not being as good.

DBZ's home video release history in the English-speaking world is about as convoluted and confusing as they come. Fortunately, most of us here on Kanzenshuu have a relatively good understanding of what has otherwise been a VERY confusing release history.

The edited, Ocean-dubbed episodes 1-53, along with the three edited movies that they dubbed, can be found in the "Rock the Dragon" DVD Box set. A link to it can be found here.

The movies on that box set are the TV-edited versions, but uncut versions were produced as well with the Ocean cast. The three uncut, Ocean-dubbed movies are no longer in print, but can still be found online very easy. Here's a link to a box set containing all three of them.

FUNimation was always the producer, but they took over every aspect of the English dub's production starting at (edited) episode 54. For reasons that have never been officially confirmed, the Ocean cast returned to do an alternate English dub of DBZ starting at the episode where Trunks warns Goku about the heart virus. This dub aired in Holland, the UK, and Canada on TV only, with no home video release. In between edited episode 54 and that episode, there exists no dub whatsoever that uses the Ocean cast. The FUNimation dub is literally the only English dub of that pack of roughly 50-60 episodes.

Since a lot of this alternate English dub was recorded at Westwood Studios, this dub is commonly referred to by its unofficial nickname, the "Westwood Dub." The Westwood dub used recycled music from other shows, such as Mega Man. It's also the general consensus that, even though mostly the same actors returned, the performances in this dub were not as good as the Ocean dub. It has been suggested, although never confirmed, that part of this was because they had an extremely rushed production schedule.

As for whether or not the Westwood Dub will get a DVD release.........I would say that that's highly unlikely. Then again, I never thought FUNimation would re-release the Ocean dub on the "Rock the Dragon" DVD box set, so who knows. I wouldn't hold my breath over it, though.

Thanks for all of the info, I didn't know about that at all.

[Im insaneFromEarth]

Do you really want this on DVD? http://youtu.be/dF7rZeAfOaE Also if you thought Dameon Clarke was campy/hammy as Cell you ain't seen nothing yet.

LOL wow, ya I like Dameon Clarke as Cell.

[andrewtuell1991]

Technically there is no "Ocean dub", only several different dubs featuring the Ocean Group, now Ocean Studios, voice actors.

The earliest of Funimation's English Dragon Ball dubs was made in association with BLT Productions and recorded at Dick & Roger's Sound Studio covered the first 13 episodes of Dragon Ball and the first movie, Curse of the Blood Rubies. Both the episodes and movie were edited for content and featured a replacement score by Peter Berring. They were released by Trimark via 7 VHS tapes and a 2-disc boxset.

The most popular of the "ocean dubs" is the one originally released by Pioneer and distributed through TV via Saban. The first 67 episodes were butchered down to 53 and the Tree of Might movie was cut up into three episodes and shown during the Namek Saga. Shuki Levy conducted the replacement score.

Next we have the hasn't-aged-as-well-as-people-think Pioneer dub of the first three Z movies which granted was the best English dub prior to Kai. This was the only pre-Kai English dub of anything Z-related to not feature a replacement score but did add a bunch of distracting Hanna-Barbera-esque sound effect for some asinine reason.

Both these dubs were originally released by Pioneer on 17 VHS/DVDs, 20 is you count the movies, and re-released this year by Funimation with the Rock the Dragon edition boxset that consisted of all 53 episodes plus the 3 movies but only in edited format (seriously wtf Funimation?).

Finally we have the dreaded Westwood dub named such because is was produced by Westwood Media is association with AB Groupe, the same guys who gave the AB Groupe dub more commonly known as the Big Green dub. It starts from Episode 123, Goku's Special Technique, and finishes at Episode 291 (108-276 if using the edited system). It's replacement score consists mostly of recycled music from the Ruby-spears Megaman series, Monster Rancher, and others but was given some original music by Tom Keenlyside towards the end. This is currently the only "ocean dub" that was never been released and probably never will be.

[Im insaneFromEarth]

Technically there is no "Ocean dub", only several different dubs featuring the Ocean Group, now Ocean Studios, voice actors.

The earliest of Funimation's English Dragon Ball dubs was made in association with BLT Productions and recorded at Dick & Roger's Sound Studio covered the first 13 episodes of Dragon Ball and the first movie, Curse of the Blood Rubies. Both the episodes and movie were edited for content and featured a replacement score by Peter Berring. They were released by Trimark via 7 VHS tapes and a 2-disc boxset.

The most popular of the "ocean dubs" is the one originally released by Pioneer and distributed through TV via Saban. The first 67 episodes were butchered down to 53 and the Tree of Might movie was cut up into three episodes and shown during the Namek Saga. Shuki Levy conducted the replacement score.

Next we have the hasn't-aged-as-well-as-people-think Pioneer dub of the first three Z movies which granted was the best English dub prior to Kai. This was the only pre-Kai English dub of anything Z-related to not feature a replacement score but did add a bunch of distracting Hanna-Barbera-esque sound effect for some asinine reason.

Both these dubs were originally released by Pioneer on 17 VHS/DVDs, 20 is you count the movies, and re-released this year by Funimation with the Rock the Dragon edition boxset that consisted of all 53 episodes plus the 3 movies but only in edited format (seriously wtf Funimation?).

Finally we have the dreaded Westwood dub named such because is was produced by Westwood Media is association with AB Groupe, the same guys who gave the AB Groupe dub more commonly known as the Big Green dub. It starts from Episode 123, Goku's Special Technique, and finishes at Episode 291 (108-276 if using the edited system). It's replacement score consists mostly of recycled music from the Ruby-spears Megaman series, Monster Rancher, and others but was given some original music by Tom Keenlyside towards the end. This is currently the only "ocean dub" that was never been released and probably never will be.

Wow, yet something else that I didn't know anything about, thank you for all of that.

[Weejus]

I have a question. From what I've heard, the Rock the Dragon set uses the edited footage rather than the uncensored footage. While I don't see this as an issue (I don't mind if it's edited or uncensored), the question is: was this a deliberate decision made by FUNimation? If it was, I can see why. The people who watched the Ocean dub of the first '53' episodes and the first 3 movies likely watched it on Kids' WB or Toonami, where it was edited, so those people grew up watching the edited version. If the Rock the Dragon set was made to profit off DBZ nostalgia, wouldn't it make sense to use the exact material that created such nostalgia among many people? Also, what with all the script edits to make DBZ more child-friendly, uncensored footage probably wouldn't make sense with a tamed script.

[90sDBZ]

I have a question. From what I've heard, the Rock the Dragon set uses the edited footage rather than the uncensored footage. While I don't see this as an issue (I don't mind if it's edited or uncensored), the question is: was this a deliberate decision made by FUNimation? If it was, I can see why. The people who watched the Ocean dub of the first '53' episodes and the first 3 movies likely watched it on Kids' WB or Toonami, where it was edited, so those people grew up watching the edited version. If the Rock the Dragon set was made to profit off DBZ nostalgia, wouldn't it make sense to use the exact material that created such nostalgia among many people? Also, what with all the script edits to make DBZ more child-friendly, uncensored footage probably wouldn't make sense with a tamed script.

I'm positive it was intentional. It was basically marketed as a nostalgia set and altering it in any way, shape or form from the version people remember would essentially defeat the purpose of the product. Using the Ocean recorded dialogue it was impossible to make it fully uncut regardless so making it partially uncut would just be a waste of time and resources that would ultimately rub everyone up the wrong way. It would take away the nostalgia but still wouldn't be truly uncut. And considering we've had lord knows how many uncut releases of DBZ it really didn't need to be made uncut. For the record I still love the Saban dub for reasons other than nostalgia. It was Ocean at their best with the great Levy score and it still stands up very well today.

[Ringworm128]

I think most people would be nostalgic for the dub not the censorship.

Also if you thought Dameon Clarke was campy/hammy as Cell

Does anyone honestly think that? Clarke's various takes on Cell are among the better performances in the FUNimation dub.

Yes Dameon Clarke was awesome as Cell but he still did have a bit of Liquid Snake-esc campiness to his performance. Though it didn't really take away from the performance, if anything it added a bit of narm charm. Dave Wilson as Cell however is borderline "don't be afraid to use your nails boyz" territory.