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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Mewzard » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:04 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm not a fan of Sean's voice for SSJ God. Look at how relaxed SSJ God looks. He should not have a voice deeper than SSJ4 :problem: .
Look at how Kaio looks/acts half the time. Should he not be able to have a serious, deep voice behind it? If appearance and voice indeed don't have to match, then why critique this when it fits enough for the role?

Besides, the line is a rather arrogant one, and should have some tone behind it (Would have preferred it be slightly more smug, but it worked all things considered).

Is that line in the movie? Because it doesn't sound like something Goku'd say normally, or about the SSJG form at all given what I've heard about his distaste for the power not being his own.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Chuquita » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:51 pm

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I would prefer they just have Schemmel do what he did for base form Goku in Kai/follow Nozawa's example by not altering the character's voice in ssjg form. I do however realize it's ultimately up to the voice director, and that the linked example is for a commercial and may not necessarily be a reflection of what it sounds like in the game itself, so I'm going to wait and see what happens.

Nozawa's "ssjg sounds exactly like base form" voice is something I'm happy with. Considering a good chunk of the time transformations' voices' do go together--like how Goku's ssj1, 2, 3, and 4 voices are deeper as he bulks up--logically if ssjg had followed suit it would've sounded prettier/cuter than base form's voice, which while I wouldn't be opposed to would not reflect the way "Goku's voice didn't change because it's not a power-up that came from within him like the others are."
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:31 pm

Again, we hear the line when Goku is assumingly in battle. Schemmel's SSJG can sound just like his base for all we know when hes just talking and not in the middle of a fight. I say we wait it out and see what happens.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:50 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm not a fan of Sean's voice for SSJ God. Look at how relaxed SSJ God looks. He should not have a voice deeper than SSJ4 :problem: .
Look at how Kaio looks/acts half the time. Should he not be able to have a serious, deep voice behind it? If appearance and voice indeed don't have to match, then why critique this when it fits enough for the role?

Besides, the line is a rather arrogant one, and should have some tone behind it (Would have preferred it be slightly more smug, but it worked all things considered).

Is that line in the movie? Because it doesn't sound like something Goku'd say normally, or about the SSJG form at all given what I've heard about his distaste for the power not being his own.
Godku sounds like his regular self. There's no need to deepen his voice.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:20 pm

Sean Schemmel has been deepening his voice for SSJ3 and 4 for years why is it such a crime now? Also it's worth notting that Sean Shemmel usually uses a more deep voice when Goku is serious. Goku is a manchild but he isn't nothing but pat pats and eating. I honestly think people over exaggerate his innocence like they do his Saiyan nature. I have a feeling that if some of the members here did an adaptation of DBZ their Goku would be less like Goku and more like the love child of Radical Edward from Cowboy Bebop and Brick Tamland from Anchorman due to them over exaggerating his naive nature and high energy behavior.

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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:35 pm

Goku deepened his voice for SSJ3 and 4 in Japanese as well. It's a problem because Godku's voice isn't supposed to be deepened. No one's saying anything about SSJ3 and 4.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:37 pm

Yes but Goku having a deep voice for SSJG is trivial at best since it's used in a scene where Goku is serious.

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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Mewzard » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:41 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Godku sounds like his regular self. There's no need to deepen his voice.
Maybe so, but that doesn't mean the dub has to copy what the Japanese version did verbatim. A dub can take some liberties and still be good. It's a matter of balance, and making sure anything original works of course, but look at YYH. That dub certainly took some liberties, but people like it because it keeps with the spirit and doesn't go for a toned down route for younger kids (which is what at least some anti-dub DBZ fans would critique).

Of course Goku wouldn't likely speak the whole time as SSJG like that, but for that instant, with that line...it felt rather appropriate. Though, like I said, those types of lines likely aren't in the movie, so this is just a game line to hype up the people picking up the game.

I agree with Ringworm. While it is important to show his innocent side...he does have quite a few moments of being serious and that needs to be represented (both of which were done well in Kai).

Though, if someone can get Melissa Fahn and Steve Carell to do a fusion voice with Goku lines...I would check that out. Would be amazing, lol.

My point stands that they don't need to copy Japanese delivery/performances verbatim in order to be good.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:46 pm

Sean's job is to match Goku's character to the best of his ability. It's obvious he can't mimic Nazawa's voice, but he can certainly match her tone, which is part of the character.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Mewzard » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:17 pm

He can give a different delivery and still fit the scenes themselves though. There's no rule that says he can't have a slightly rougher voice for a new form when fighting. Besides, he's not some small time SSJ this time, he's a Super Saiyan God. If any form'd change the voice, I'd be down for that one. Be glad they don't put on some echo filters or something to make it sound inhuman.

Besides, it's not even close to as different as his SSJ3 voice is. The emphasis on God was intentional though, I feel confident in saying.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:21 pm

Godku's appearance conveys a very natural atmosphere. There's no reason to deepen his voice. Especially since Nazawa doesn't. Any tone Nazawa has done, Sean has matched. Why change it up now?
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by penguintruth » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:02 pm

He's just doing "Z Schemmel Goku" for SSG Goku. Season 3 Goku, essentially.

It's hardly radical for him to start sucking again. He only barely doesn't anyway.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by El Diabeetus » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:10 pm

penguintruth wrote:He's just doing "Z Schemmel Goku" for SSG Goku. Season 3 Goku, essentially.

It's hardly radical for him to start sucking again. He only barely doesn't anyway.
I'm assuming it's just because it's a Video Game only line he read it like that. I'm sure once it gets to the movie proper he'll do Goku ala the Kai dub.

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Post by Mewzard » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:14 pm

penguintruth wrote:He's just doing "Z Schemmel Goku" for SSG Goku. Season 3 Goku, essentially.

It's hardly radical for him to start sucking again. He only barely doesn't anyway.
...Jesus Christ, you never let up, do you Penguin?

If you honestly thought it was anything like the Z-era dubbing, I would suggest a mild ear cleaning.

Because the original Z dub seldom got delivery that sounded that good (and that's coming from someone who grew up with, and never really hated the Funi dub during it's original airings). It may not be the perfect choice (as video game dubbing for anime licenses are rarely as good as what an actor can actually do), but I wouldn't call it bad. Like how Burst Limit showed some signs of improved voice acting, but we didn't get the full monty until Kai.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by penguintruth » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:25 pm

Letting up gives the unwashed a foothold. It's what leads to 16:9 Blu-Rays. :P

Fine, the delivery is better than S3 Schemmel, but the sound is the same. He needs to reel it in.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:28 pm

To be fair, as much as he praddles on about understanding Goku's character, he sometimes doesn't. Penguintruth's criticism of Schemmel is completely valid. I think Schemmel is cool as a person, and I like his actual voice for Goku, but his portrayal of the character is rather lacking.
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Post by Kakarot88 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:31 pm

penguintruth wrote:He's just doing "Z Schemmel Goku" for SSG Goku. Season 3 Goku, essentially.

It's hardly radical for him to start sucking again. He only barely doesn't anyway.
No, no he's not. Season 3 Schemmel had Superman sounding lines but his voice was still Goku or what I think Goku would sound like with an American accent...here he just sounds like Superman.

Moreover what you consider him not sucking as bad is what I have a problem with his performance in Kai in a lot of scenes: making Goku sound incredibly serious. Even when Masako Nozawa has Goku sounding serious it's not over the top dramatic, it's just a pissed off dude, Schemmel used to do that now he's gone even further beyond and sounds like a member of the Justice League. Bleh.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:34 pm

"Let me show you the power of SSJ God!" Umm is that something Goku would say in Battle of Gods? Absolutely not.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Mewzard » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:40 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:"Let me show you the power of SSJ God!" Umm is that something Goku would say in Battle of Gods? Absolutely not.
I've mentioned that several times. The line's not even like what Goku would say, yet both Schemmel and Nozawa do say it for the game (albeit for Nozawa, it's in Japanese).
Kakarot88 wrote:No, no he's not. Season 3 Schemmel had Superman sounding lines but his voice was still Goku or what I think Goku would sound like with an American accent...here he just sounds like Superman.

Moreover what you consider him not sucking as bad is what I have a problem with his performance in Kai in a lot of scenes: making Goku sound incredibly serious. Even when Masako Nozawa has Goku sounding serious it's not over the top dramatic, it's just a pissed off dude, Schemmel used to do that now he's gone even further beyond and sounds like a member of the Justice League. Bleh.
Here's the thing: Goku IS incredibly serious at the times when Schemmel does it for the role. He's not Spider-Man cracking jokes as he fights a villain.

I'm convinced you've never heard Superman or a member of the Justice League speak if you truly believe what you're saying. I've watched several Justice League cartoons and read comics of them, and of all the related members for these series...and Goku doesn't sound like a Superhero. Certainly not in his Kai delivery or here.

Every time people make these comparisons, I question whether they actually know what they're talking about, or just making a jab at something using a reference they don't get.
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Re: Sean Schemmel Battle of Z SS God Goku voice

Post by Kakarot88 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:41 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:"Let me show you the power of SSJ God!" Umm is that something Goku would say in Battle of Gods? Absolutely not.
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