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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:58 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Until One Piece characters can blow up things bigger then Asia or a Planet then we can talk. Neither Naruto, Bleach and One Piece can take down Radditz or anyone higher. I hear Naruto got a big power up and he could take on 23rd Tenkachi Budokai Goku from what I've seen.
If you take Naruto Ninja Storm into account, some Ultimate Jutsu (Bijuu Naruto's Bijuudama), they have a DBZ like blast radius.

But again, the blast radius isnt something we havent seen done time and time again in DBZ and its supposedly Naruto's strongest attack. Id say at the max, and I'm being generous here, Bijuu Naruto could match Raditz.
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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

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Hellspawn28 wrote:Until One Piece characters can blow up things bigger then Asia or a Planet then we can talk. Neither Naruto, Bleach and One Piece can take down Radditz or anyone higher. I hear Naruto got a big power up and he could take on 23rd Tenkachi Budokai Goku from what I've seen.
A character doesn't have to be able to destroy a planet to be on DBZ level. The DBZ characters can destroy planets with ki blasts, and guys like Luffy from One Piece or Sasuke from Naruto don't have any kind of an ability that can cause such explosions. There is also the physical strength of the DBZ characters that can be surpassed. For example, Goku could lift 40 tons in his base during the Boo arc.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by The Monkey King » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:03 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Until One Piece characters can blow up things bigger then Asia or a Planet then we can talk. Neither Naruto, Bleach and One Piece can take down Radditz or anyone higher. I hear Naruto got a big power up and he could take on 23rd Tenkachi Budokai Goku from what I've seen.
If you take Naruto Ninja Storm into account, some Ultimate Jutsu (Bijuu Naruto's Bijuudama), they have a DBZ like blast radius.

But again, the blast radius isnt something we havent seen done time and time again in DBZ and its supposedly Naruto's strongest attack. Id say at the max, and I'm being generous here, Bijuu Naruto could match Raditz.
Nah, Raditz would waste Naruto with ease, putting him at Raditz level is too generous.
I'd say Bijuu Naruto is 23rd BT Goku level.

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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:05 pm

How would y'all rank Yu Yu Hahusho characters? At their very best?

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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by The Monkey King » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:06 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: A character doesn't have to be able to destroy a planet to be on DBZ level. The DBZ characters can destroy planets with ki blasts, and guys like Luffy from One Piece or Sasuke from Naruto don't have any kind of an ability that can cause such explosions. There is also the physical strength of the DBZ characters that can be surpassed. For example, Goku could lift 40 tons in his base during the Boo arc.
DBZ characters can splatter beings who can tank moon busters, planet busters and planetary explosions with a single punch.
Naruto and One Piece characters don't compare.
TheGmGoken wrote:How would y'all rank Yu Yu Hahusho characters? At their very best?
At the most I'd say Namek saga.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:33 pm

The Monkey King wrote:DBZ characters can splatter beings who can tank moon busters, planet busters and planetary explosions with a single punch.
Naruto and One Piece characters don't compare.
We don't know how strong the stronger characters of Naruto & One Piece were (Rikudo Sennin & Gol D. Roger), and we don't know how strong characters we will see in the future (though Naruto is in its final phase right now).

And also, none of the DBZ characters can punch a planet & destroy it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:36 pm

Between 23rd BT and Radditz level seems right for YYH characters. Also other non anime series are above Goku since I can name a few Transformers characters like Hytherion which can eat all of time and space. Unicron and Primus are both multiversal seeing that Unicron at one point almost destroy the whole multiversal from what I can remember. Nexus Prime and Victor Prime also had universal god powers from what I can recall.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:41 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:How would y'all rank Yu Yu Hahusho characters? At their very best?
Theres a chance. I remember a seen where Genkai explains about F (or was it S?) class demons then we see what looks like a distance of miles just up and evaporate in less than a second.
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Post by PolatGuy92 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:42 pm

I'm actually surprised that there are more stronger Anime characters then the DBZ characters but at the same time not :P
But perhaps it really has to do since I grew up with Dragonball Z and no other Anime. Still I think for expample Luffy has a lot of potential and I really like the character don't know how long One Piece will go on but I think if it will go on for a long time then one day Luffy might be as strong as SS3 Goku :lol:

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:07 pm

PolatGuy92 wrote:I'm actually surprised that there are more stronger Anime characters then the DBZ characters but at the same time not :P
But perhaps it really has to do since I grew up with Dragonball Z and no other Anime. Still I think for expample Luffy has a lot of potential and I really like the character don't know how long One Piece will go on but I think if it will go on for a long time then one day Luffy might be as strong as SS3 Goku :lol:
I really, really doubt that. SSJ3 Goku's power was felt across dimensions, even the Kaioshin realm which is completely impossible to reach without Shunkan Ido or being taken there by someone who has been there before.

I dont read/watch One Piece but I highly doubt someone could feel Luffy's power say...across a ocean.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:33 pm

Unless OP gets a serious power jump they will never reach even Saiyan saga level.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:49 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:DBZ characters can splatter beings who can tank moon busters, planet busters and planetary explosions with a single punch.
Naruto and One Piece characters don't compare.
We don't know how strong the stronger characters of Naruto & One Piece were (Rikudo Sennin & Gol D. Roger), and we don't know how strong characters we will see in the future (though Naruto is in its final phase right now).

And also, none of the DBZ characters can punch a planet & destroy it.
SSJ3 Goku punches right through Kaio's planet in Battle of Gods, which according to some people is the most dense object we have seen in the entire franchise.
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EXBadguy wrote:Sage of the Six Paths can be equally strong as Goku's SSJ3
Lolno try again. Nothing in Naruto comes close to Raditz let alone SSJ3 Goku.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:05 pm

Well, maybe Radditz level they can.

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EXBadguy wrote:Sage of the Six Paths can be equally strong as Goku's SSJ3
Lolno try again. Nothing in Naruto comes close to Raditz let alone SSJ3 Goku.
The Rikudo Sennin was so powerful he was considered a god in Naruto, and he was the jinchuriki of the Juubi, which has immeasurable power. So, we can't know.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:49 am

DBZ characters have much faster speed then anyone in Naruto, One Piece and Bleach. Someone like Nappa could ki spam them all day long and won't get hurt at all.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:DBZ characters have much faster speed then anyone in Naruto, One Piece and Bleach. Someone like Nappa could ki spam them all day long and won't get hurt at all.
Kizaru from One Piece can move in light-speed.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
EXBadguy wrote:Sage of the Six Paths can be equally strong as Goku's SSJ3
Lolno try again. Nothing in Naruto comes close to Raditz let alone SSJ3 Goku.
The Rikudo Sennin was so powerful he was considered a god in Naruto, and he was the jinchuriki of the Juubi, which has immeasurable power. So, we can't know.
All the sage did was create a moon.
BoZ Piccolo can vaporize one of those with a wave of his hand.
The Juubi doesn't have immeasurable power, it can wreck a lot of shit but it's not immeasurable.

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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:DBZ characters have much faster speed then anyone in Naruto, One Piece and Bleach. Someone like Nappa could ki spam them all day long and won't get hurt at all.
Kizaru from One Piece can move in light-speed.
Movement speed? Debatable.
Combat and reaction speed? Hell no.
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The Monkey King wrote:All the sage did was create a moon.
BoZ Piccolo can vaporize one of those with a wave of his hand.
The Juubi doesn't have immeasurable power, it can wreck a lot of shit but it's not immeasurable.
The Juubi does have immeasurable power:
Its Bijuu Dama has that kind of destructive power:
It can cause natural disasters:
It can fire rapidly wooden spikes that are so fast that are almost impossible to be dodged:
It's stronger & faster than the Kyuubi & Hatchibi, the 2 strongest Bijuu before the Juubi, and it's strong enough to finger-flick a Bijuu Dama from the Hatchibi:
And it's durable enough to survive the explosion of its own Bijuu Dama inside its body:
And all these feats are not even its full power, in full power, the Juubi has even greater power, great enough to destroy the whole world.
And the Rikudo Sennin could defeat the Juubi alone, and then make its power his own by becoming the Juubi jinchuriki. So no, he didn't "just create the moon".
Gonstead wrote:Movement speed? Debatable.
Combat and reaction speed? Hell no.
He did say that he can kick in the speed of light (with his Logia power), so he should be able to move at the speed of light as well (though he can only go in one direction for each go), since he is light. But he should only be able to go light-speed only when his Logia power is active, not with his own physical power.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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