Is Piccolo weaker than Base Saiyans in the Buu arc?

[khalildh]

Not trying to take over this thread or anything, but does anyone believe there's an actual limit to the power of the Base Saiyans? I mean, I know we see Vegeta and Goku training hard in Base. Could this just be the Saiyans keeping their overall skills in peak condition? Or do you believe they're simply increasing their powers?

If there isn't an upper limit then there is no reason for transformations, but also in-universe Frieza is unique in that his True Form is so powerful that he makes himself weaker. For the living mortals in the Dragonaball universe the upper limit is probably around 100 Million - 200 Million without special techniques, machinery, or magic. The nature of Ki implies that even if one's body does reach its natural max it can be surpassed. Also with the way Akira Toriyama made Goku very lean in BoG there is the implication that this new Ki has basically soft reset his natural limits.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Not trying to take over this thread or anything, but does anyone believe there's an actual limit to the power of the Base Saiyans? I mean, I know we see Vegeta and Goku training hard in Base. Could this just be the Saiyans keeping their overall skills in peak condition? Or do you believe they're simply increasing their powers?

Saiyan's have limitless potential to grow as far as I'm concerned. They just have to find new ways of getting stronger, or else they'll progress at a snails pace.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not trying to take over this thread or anything, but does anyone believe there's an actual limit to the power of the Base Saiyans? I mean, I know we see Vegeta and Goku training hard in Base. Could this just be the Saiyans keeping their overall skills in peak condition? Or do you believe they're simply increasing their powers?

I personally believe that the Saiyans reach their first limit once the near-death power-ups come to an end (their tails stop growing back to force them get stronger). After that, they will have to transform into Super Saiyan, and them further into Super Saiyan Grade 2, and Super Saiyan Grade 3, with Grade 3 existing to show to the Saiyans that the mastering Grade 1 would be better. Then, after achieving Super Saiyan Full Power, they will get an overall x5 boost in their base, plus big gains through the training while mastering the form, reaching their final limit. After that, the only way for getting much stronger is Super Saiyan 2 & Super Saiyan 3, and Super Saiyan God if you follow BoG.

Now, I'm not saying that once a Saiyan reaches his limit, he can't get any stronger. They do get stronger, but with gains much smaller than before. A perfect example is Goku. He got a nearly x18 boost from training with Kaio for the first time for a year, but he got less than x2 stronger after mastering Super Saiyan, and doing an even more extreme training with Kaio for 7 years, and he also got less than x2 stronger after training for 10 more years.

[Kingsley]

Hell no. The Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are stated to be close in power (though Majin Vegeta = Goku > Vegeta > Gohan), while in the Cell arc, Gohan was implied to be not too much stronger than Goku, since Goku was counting on Gohan's rage boost.

Not true. Gohan is implied to be massively stronger than Goku in just SSJ without the rage boost. Gohan at the start of his fight with Cell was easily dominating him, but stopped trying. Even when he stopped trying Gohan was just taking no damage from Cell's attacks. Cell actually had to make himself stronger than in his fight with Goku to start even damaging Gohan. MSSJ Gohan>Suppressed Cell>=MSSJ Goku


As for the topic, I suppose because Krillin scored higher than Goku, he was stronger than him? Everyone was holding back different amounts of power, so the punch machine is an unreliable way to understand power.

[Kid Buu]

As for the topic, I suppose because Krillin scored higher than Goku, he was stronger than him? Everyone was holding back different amounts of power, so the punch machine is an unreliable way to understand power.

The initial post was a joke, but I was actually curious to see what people thought when I was making the thread.

[Kingsley]

Aha couldn't tell you were joking, my bad.

[Origibros]

I think that Piccolo is stronger - he should be too, but nobody cared that he was fighting the base saiyans at the tenkaichi, surely if he was that much stronger than them they wouldn't even hit him...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not true. Gohan is implied to be massively stronger than Goku in just SSJ without the rage boost. Gohan at the start of his fight with Cell was easily dominating him, but stopped trying. Even when he stopped trying Gohan was just taking no damage from Cell's attacks. Cell actually had to make himself stronger than in his fight with Goku to start even damaging Gohan. MSSJ Gohan>Suppressed Cell>=MSSJ Goku

While Gohan clearly had the advantage, he wasn't completely dominating Cell. Cell caught him by surprise multiple times.

[Kingsley]

Not true. Gohan is implied to be massively stronger than Goku in just SSJ without the rage boost. Gohan at the start of his fight with Cell was easily dominating him, but stopped trying. Even when he stopped trying Gohan was just taking no damage from Cell's attacks. Cell actually had to make himself stronger than in his fight with Goku to start even damaging Gohan. MSSJ Gohan>Suppressed Cell>=MSSJ Goku

While Gohan clearly had the advantage, he wasn't completely dominating Cell. Cell caught him by surprise multiple times.

Yeah. After Gohan stopped trying. And the attacks still weren't doing any real damage until Cell started going all out in speed. This is stated by both Goku and Cell.