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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:58 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:GT Piccolo without weight clothes vs. Super Perfect Cell. If Piccolo did train after Cell, Buu and the end of DBZ, would Piccolo able to take down Cell? He did tank a blast from Bebi SSj Gohan afterall. I believe Piccolo did train got stronger over the years since he has no reason to stop training unlike Gohan. Trunks even said in GT that Piccolo was one of the strongest warriors on Earth unless that was a dub line.
Are weighted clothes even relevant by the Android Arc? Let alone GT?
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:39 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote: Yeah, but he made Naruto his bitch (no pun intended) for most of the fight.
That kind of proves my point. Kiba lost despite having the advantage throughout the entire fight, thus he has extreme bad luck.
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Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:09 am

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Hellspawn28 wrote:GT Piccolo without weight clothes vs. Super Perfect Cell. If Piccolo did train after Cell, Buu and the end of DBZ, would Piccolo able to take down Cell? He did tank a blast from Bebi SSj Gohan afterall. I believe Piccolo did train got stronger over the years since he has no reason to stop training unlike Gohan. Trunks even said in GT that Piccolo was one of the strongest warriors on Earth unless that was a dub line.
Are weighted clothes even relevant by the Android Arc? Let alone GT?
Aren't you the own who showed me they were, when I said they weren't? Piccolo goes from rivalling both Androids (weighted) to being even with 17 (unweighted). So it's not a huge difference, but apparently there is still a difference. Unless those statements are meant to mean the same thing, after all I think Kaio implies weighted clothing is useless by the Freeza arc.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:GT Piccolo without weight clothes vs. Super Perfect Cell. If Piccolo did train after Cell, Buu and the end of DBZ, would Piccolo able to take down Cell? He did tank a blast from Bebi SSj Gohan afterall. I believe Piccolo did train got stronger over the years since he has no reason to stop training unlike Gohan. Trunks even said in GT that Piccolo was one of the strongest warriors on Earth unless that was a dub line.
Are weighted clothes even relevant by the Android Arc? Let alone GT?
Aren't you the own who showed me they were, when I said they weren't? Piccolo goes from rivalling both Androids (weighted) to being even with 17 (unweighted). So it's not a huge difference, but apparently there is still a difference. Unless those statements are meant to mean the same thing, after all I think Kaio implies weighted clothing is useless by the Freeza arc.
Maybe? I seem to remember that conversation, but I can't remember what side I was on :lol:
That was a while ago, though, and a lot of posts to go digging through. Let's just assume I was playing devil's advocate :P
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Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:33 am

Nah, I don't know the thread, but you were trying to argue that we can safely assume unweighted Piccolo was stronger than second form Freeza because the Android arc showed that weights are still relevant.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:51 am

Saiga wrote:Nah, I don't know the thread, but you were trying to argue that we can safely assume unweighted Piccolo was stronger than second form Freeza because the Android arc showed that weights are still relevant.
Well, I found that thread, and you're right. I'd forgotten about that one. Granted, it was over 4 months ago, so I think I can be given a little leeway here :P
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... &start=140

But, yeah. I guess I answered my own question then. :lol:
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:47 am

Bojack (No transformation) Vs SSJ Gohan (CG)

Bojack (No transformation) Vs Cell (@ SSJ Gohan)
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:44 am

Zombie wrote:Bojack (No transformation) Vs SSJ Gohan (CG)

Bojack (No transformation) Vs Cell (@ SSJ Gohan)
Gohan wins handily. So does Cell.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:50 am

Really? Gohan was very concerned with Bojack when he first sees him. Maybe he does win but I don't see him winning easily.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:07 am

Zombie wrote:Really? Gohan was very concerned with Bojack when he first sees him. Maybe he does win but I don't see him winning easily.
I don't think that necessarily has to mean anything related to power. It could just be "shit, another alien invasion?" face. Plus, usually when you're concerned you're not sensing ki.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:48 pm

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Zombie wrote:Really? Gohan was very concerned with Bojack when he first sees him. Maybe he does win but I don't see him winning easily.
I don't think that necessarily has to mean anything related to power. It could just be "shit, another alien invasion?" face. Plus, usually when you're concerned you're not sensing ki.
Not to mention Gohan kept getting jumped by Bojack men
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:09 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:GT Piccolo without weight clothes vs. Super Perfect Cell. If Piccolo did train after Cell, Buu and the end of DBZ, would Piccolo able to take down Cell? He did tank a blast from Bebi SSj Gohan afterall. I believe Piccolo did train got stronger over the years since he has no reason to stop training unlike Gohan. Trunks even said in GT that Piccolo was one of the strongest warriors on Earth unless that was a dub line.
Piccolo became the guardian of hell, he is stronger than Rildo and Hell Fighter 17.

The Trunks line is in the JPN anime.
I don't think that necessarily has to mean anything related to power. It could just be "shit, another alien invasion?" face. Plus, usually when you're concerned you're not sensing ki.
Gohan actually did say Bojack had an amazing ki (or something like that).
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Post by Kingsley » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:33 pm

Zombie wrote:Bojack (No transformation) Vs SSJ Gohan (CG)

Bojack (No transformation) Vs Cell (@ SSJ Gohan)
I doubt Super Bojack is even that much stronger than SSJ Gohan, considering that they were trading blows evenly. Pre transformation Bojangles gets pooped on by either of them
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:40 pm

Gohan was getting owned in the few seconds we saw them fight, no way where they trading blows evenly.
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Beginning of DBZ Goku, Kuririn, Tenshinan, Yamcha, & Master Roshi Vs. a Saibaman.
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Post by Kingsley » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:37 pm

Zombie wrote:Gohan was getting owned in the few seconds we saw them fight, no way where they trading blows evenly.
They were both phasing through the air trading punches, Gohan got hit twice and easily recovered both times.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:23 am

Kid Buu wrote:Beginning of DBZ Goku, Kuririn, Tenshinan, Yamcha, & Master Roshi Vs. a Saibaman.
I think together they could pull out a victory.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:31 am

Goku fused with Videl vs Gohan fused with Satan
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:31 am

The Earthlings get rocked by the plant monster. There's next to nothing they can do.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:39 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Goku fused with Videl vs Gohan fused with Satan
Wasnt it stated that fusing with Satan would actually make a person weaker, or was that Dende?
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