Goku vs. Vegeta during the 25th Tenkachi Budokai

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Goku vs. Vegeta during the 25th Tenkachi Budokai

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:17 am

So what if Dabra and Babidi never came to Earth, Goku and Vegeta did get the chance to fight during the 25th Tenkachi Budokai. Who would have won, Goku or Vegeta? Since Goku was back for one day, I can see him losing on purpose just to make Vegeta happy.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:18 am

Goku. He has a slight edge on Vegeta at this point in time (even excluding SSJ3 or all Transformations)
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Post by Vice » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:19 am

Without the Majin power-up, Goku was stronger. He would have won.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:33 am

Vegeta said that the gap between him and Goku hadn't changed since the Cell Games... and that was before he knew about SS3. Considering that Goku was very blunt about who was the stronger of the two back when Cell was around, and has never seemed to care about Vegeta's feelings, I think Goku would've just beaten Vegeta into the ground. Then I suppose Vegeta would start crying and Goku would get weirded out, wondering what Vegeta is so upset about. Then he'd walk away and never return again.
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:39 am

I think Goku would've held-back enough so Vegeta could put up a respectable fight. Goku would've eventually won, though.
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:03 am

Well, Goku can go SSJ3.

Pretty much ensures his victory against Vegeta, doesn't it?
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Post by Codarik » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:13 am

Yeah, Goku would have held back too see how much of a fight Vegeta could've put up, but also Vegeta would've held back since there were a lot of people in the stadium and at the time Vegeta known better than to kill innocent. So even if we did get to see the fight it would have been very underwhelming.

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Post by JamesOwnz » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:50 am

Was it said the difference in power was the same as during Cell?

I reallllly don't like that if true.. but I don't remember that being said.

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Post by Blade » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:05 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Dabra and Babidi never came to Earth, Goku and Vegeta did get the chance to fight during the 25th Tenkachi Budokai. Who would have won, Goku or Vegeta? Since Goku was back for one day, I can see him losing on purpose just to make Vegeta happy.
He wouldn't have let Vegeta win, but he will have held back as to make a good fight of it - both out of not wanting to humiliate Vegeta as a mark of respect and also out of the selfish urge to savor and enjoy the battle.

I think Goku winning is a dead certainty - even without Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta deduces from Goku's defeat of Yakon alone (where he only used Super Saiyan and barely broke a sweat) that he was still inferior in power.
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Post by FireLordZuko » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:57 am

Goku would win. He was a good deal stronger at the time, and he wouldn't lose to make Vegeta happy.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:58 pm

He knows that Vegeta main goal in life was to become stronger then Goku and finally beat him. Since this was most likely Goku's last time he would be on Earth again, it won't surprise me if he let Vegeta win.
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Post by SSJ4_Zankuto » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:57 pm

Son Goku has the edge on power that will make Vegeta go Super Saiyan 2. I could see Son Goku letting Vegeta win on purpose to settle down his pride.

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Post by Reading Rainbow » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:17 pm

Goku is naturally a better fighter than Vegeta, so I think Vegeta would have lost.

Goku could have turned SSJ3 also.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:31 pm

SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:I could see Son Goku letting Vegeta win on purpose to settle down his pride.
Did Goku ever show to care about Vegeta's pride? He told him in his face that he was much stronger than him when he mastered Super Saiyan, he didn't use SS3 against him because he didn't want to waste all his time on the Living World, and while Vegeta thought that Goku was holding back against Pure Boo so that he won't hurt Vegeta, Goku says that this wasn't the case. The only time Goku lied to Vegeta was when he was acting like Vegeta would have a chance against Pure Boo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by GsTvo » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:11 pm

I think that Goku would never lose on purpose against Vegeta, because he respects the pride of the "Saiyajin Prince".

But why everybody assum that Goku will turn into SSJ3? He just did it because he need to stop Majin Boo, not because he want it. Obviously Goku SSJ3 will win. But its hard to say if its Goku SSJ2 vs Vegeta SSJ2, i think they have 50-50 posibilities.
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Post by 90sDBZ » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:16 pm

Goku would have won unless Vegeta somehow managed to drag the fight out long enough for the 24 hours to expire thus forcing Goku to return to otherworld and lose by ring out. We know for a fact that Goku's SS2 had surpassed Vegeta's SS2. Although Vegeta didn't seem to realise Goku was stronger until he went SS2 against Yakon. Could it be that not all saiyans have the same multipliers? Either that or Vegeta just took it for granted that only he and Gohan had SS2.

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Post by SSJ4_Zankuto » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:09 am

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SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:I could see Son Goku letting Vegeta win on purpose to settle down his pride.
Did Goku ever show to care about Vegeta's pride? He told him in his face that he was much stronger than him when he mastered Super Saiyan, he didn't use SS3 against him because he didn't want to waste all his time on the Living World, and while Vegeta thought that Goku was holding back against Pure Boo so that he won't hurt Vegeta, Goku says that this wasn't the case. The only time Goku lied to Vegeta was when he was acting like Vegeta would have a chance against Pure Boo.
Son Goku did say he respected his pride when Vegeta died on planet Namek. Do you think Goku still respects his saiyan pride?

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:46 am

SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:
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SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:I could see Son Goku letting Vegeta win on purpose to settle down his pride.
Did Goku ever show to care about Vegeta's pride? He told him in his face that he was much stronger than him when he mastered Super Saiyan, he didn't use SS3 against him because he didn't want to waste all his time on the Living World, and while Vegeta thought that Goku was holding back against Pure Boo so that he won't hurt Vegeta, Goku says that this wasn't the case. The only time Goku lied to Vegeta was when he was acting like Vegeta would have a chance against Pure Boo.
Son Goku did say he respected his pride when Vegeta died on planet Namek. Do you think Goku still respects his saiyan pride?
Just because he respected Vegeta's pride doesn't mean that he would lose on purpose so that Vegeta won't start crying.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by hleV » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:46 am

Codarik wrote:Vegeta known better than to kill innocent.
Except for that time when he murdered hundreds of people just to make Goku fight him.

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Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:00 am

Goku letting Vegeta win would only make the prince even more upset.
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