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Things you Dislike about the Japanese version.

Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:37 am

First off, let me just say that I love watching the series in Japanese (DB, DBZ, and even GT). In fact, I think most of us reading these threads can agree on the same thing, and despite me growing up watching the US broadcasted dubs on Toonami, the Japanese version still manages to find a place in my heart. So yes'sir, the original interpretation of the series of absolutely wonderful, isn't it? Yes, but like many wonderful things out there, they're still not perfect, and are still in some ways, flawed. There are probably a few things some of you (including myself), didn't like about it, but what was the thing you disliked about the Japanese version the most? What was that one gripe you had against the show in Japanese that bothered you the most? To me, it was when someone would power up, and then make these weird noises. It sounded something like this, "Krrck", or something like that. If you still don't know what I'm talking about, watch this: http://youtu.be/xsalzwkykIg - You'll here it throughout (Note: Video has audio delay). I don't know why but I always thought that sounded a little weird to me, and eventually it started to get a little annoying, still don't know why though, but that's just me. Anyway, what about you guys?
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Re: Things you Dislike about the Japanese version.

Post by VegettoEX » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:44 am

I dislike how good it is.

But in all seriousness, it's pretty much all out-of-touch-of-reality stuff that I dislike, and mainly more about its production than its contents. I wish the audio could be crystal-clear instead of a product of its obvious time. I wish Bulma vs The Crab didn't exist.

I guess I don't particularly like Mayumi Tanaka's take on Uranai Baba...?
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Re: Things you Dislike about the Japanese version.

Post by jpdbzrulz4sure » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:54 am

I guess one thing I don't like too much is that the first ending for Z stayed the same for all of the first 199 episodes, 'cause it was pretty dated after the Saiyan arc. At the very least, they could've changed up some scenes every now and then to more closely match the current events of the story, like they did with the ending of the original DB.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:02 pm

I'm not a fan of angel ending. Thats about it tbh. Wait I don't like Nozawa Bardock voice. Raditz voice could have gone to Bardock.

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Post by penguintruth » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:05 pm

I guess I find some of the spoilers in the episode titles annoying.

That's it, I think.
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Post by Looneygamemaster » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:13 pm

The Japanese voice cast is one of the few things about DBZ that's consistently good (if not great). That being said, I dislike Kozo Shioya's Buu when the character absorbs Piccolo. The actor does a good job as the brutish and/or childlike Buu, but when called upon to be another Freeza clone, he cannot deliver.

I'll also echo some dissatisfaction with Tanaka's Baba. And for some other less than great roles...

* Yukitoshi Hori is monotone as Dodoria; the character's minor enough that it's fine, but he doesn't bother to own it like John Swasey does

* Jouji Yanami is a great narrator, but when called upon to actually voice-act (Kaio and especially Babidi), he falls flat

* Naoko Watanabe's Chi-Chi sounds just a bit more like Cynthia Cranz's take than Mayumi Shou's does, so that's some points lost

* And Shigeru Chiba is very clearly phoning it in for Garlic Jr, but as the character's such a nothing role (in the actual show at least), I can't blame him.

That's about it, I think.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:16 pm

penguintruth wrote:I guess I find some of the spoilers in the episode titles annoying.

That's it, I think.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:30 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I guess I don't particularly like Mayumi Tanaka's take on Uranai Baba...?
It's funny you bring that up, cuz I'm actually of the opposite opinion here. I'm not big on Tanaka's Baba per say, but I do prefer it to Junpei Takiguchi's original take. Maybe I'll eventually get used to it (like how I did for all the Nozawa roles), but...I just can't get around the idea of what's clearly an old man playing an old woman. It...it just pulls me out of the story a little.

But that's really just a minor thing, it's not like Baba really pops up a whole lot in the long run. Beyond that though...hmm. Wow. This is tougher than I thought, I'm trying to come up with something other than similar vocal nitpicks, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment.
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Post by Looneygamemaster » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:06 pm

I don't know; it's definitely an odd casting choice, but Takiguichi was so cartoony in the role that it somehow seemed to fit. But whenever Tanaka's Baba speaks, I don't hear Baba--I hear Luffy trying to sound like an old woman.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:16 pm

1) The audio is muffled, I'd definitely prefer if Toei Animation once and for all took in Kei17's tapes and made use of it for future DBZ releases.

2) Like penguintruth has said, the titles sometimes are a dead give-away, here's an example Dragon Ball Z: Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku Can't Do It, Who Will?.

3) The Special Year DBZ video is still unavailable in high quality, I guess they could have included it on the JPN DRAGON BOX Z as part of the extras.
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Post by Ajay » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:22 pm

K-kk--kaaa-k-akaka--aaakaakkaaaa-a-kaa--

That can get grating after a while.

No real complaints aside from that.
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Post by 90sDBZ » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:22 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:I'm not a fan of angel ending. Thats about it tbh. Wait I don't like Nozawa Bardock voice. Raditz voice could have gone to Bardock.
Funnily enough I really like that ending. :)

Things I dislike about the Japanese version are:

-Episode titles being over the top and over explaining things to the point that it creates spoilers
-The Kikuchi score going way downhill in Z
-Questionable stuff like the infamous Penguin Village General Blue scene in the original. The dub dialogue actually made that scene funny. In the original it was just disturbing
-Sometimes it seems like it's trying too hard to make Kid Gohan seem cute by playing super happy kiddy music
-Lazy casting choice of having Nozawa voice all of Goku's male family including Bardock who isn't even pure
-Filler in the Japanese version just feels like filler. You can tell they didn't care about the Garlic Jr saga. At least in Funimation's dub they made the effort to introduce new music just for it so it felt unique
-It doesn't change the opening often enough
-It's sometimes lazy with recaps by having no narration thus making it impossible for new viewers to know what's happening

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:27 pm

-It's sometimes lazy with recaps by having no narration thus making it impossible for new viewers to know what's happening
Recaps....do have narration. For the first 10 seconds it plays the recap music(Doin...doink...dooda *Repeat beat*) then they explain what happen. Then the music goes DODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Then the title card plays.

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Post by 90sDBZ » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:32 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
-It's sometimes lazy with recaps by having no narration thus making it impossible for new viewers to know what's happening
Recaps....do have narration. For the first 10 seconds it plays the recap music(Doin...doink...dooda *Repeat beat*) then they explain what happen. Then the music goes DODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Then the title card plays.
Most of the time that's the case but there are episodes with no narration whatsoever.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:33 pm

90sDBZ wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
-It's sometimes lazy with recaps by having no narration thus making it impossible for new viewers to know what's happening
Recaps....do have narration. For the first 10 seconds it plays the recap music(Doin...doink...dooda *Repeat beat*) then they explain what happen. Then the music goes DODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Then the title card plays.
Most of the time that's the case but there are episodes with no narration whatsoever.
Examples please? I can't seem to remember or find any that don't.

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Post by B » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:33 pm

It costs a lot to own. The majority of it is not very good from an animated and scripting standoint, and you might as well read the manga.
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Post by ErikB » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:46 pm

-Spoilerific, awkward mouthfuls of episode titles (and yes, we all know 'Frieza Defeated!', but it's not as though that was super common in the FUNi titles and it's certainly not as though the Japanese titles were in any way better about it).
-While not necessarily against Nozawa's Goku, I wish she didn't also play Gohan, Goten and Bardock. It's jarring, all too noticeable and I think it's rather lazy casting. For some reason or another, I find it especially distracting with Bardock.
-I've warmed up to the Kikuchi music a lot in the last few years but there's a few things in the score that just drive me nuts. There are a few 'tense' or 'sad' tracks that have these weird..."boing" noises (for lack of a better word) thrown in at random and it absolutely kills the mood.
-Cha-La Head Cha-La and Zenkai Power were used as the respective opening and ending for much too long. For most of their run, they were a poor representation of the show.
90sDBZ wrote: -Questionable stuff like the infamous Penguin Village General Blue scene in the original. The dub dialogue actually made that scene funny. In the original it was just disturbing
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:00 pm

90sDBZ wrote:-The Kikuchi score going way downhill in Z
The only time when I remember this being somewhat true was during the Buu arc where some BGMs got reused a bit too much and the loop wasn't done properly.
90sDBZ wrote:-Filler in the Japanese version just feels like filler. You can tell they didn't care about the Garlic Jr saga. At least in Funimation's dub they made the effort to introduce new music just for it so it felt unique
It's filler so they did it right to not give two shits about it. It doesn't exist on the manga and nor in Kai./quote]
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Post by Looneygamemaster » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:14 pm

It's filler so they did it right to not give two shits about it.
No, no, no...that attitude is what makes most anime filler so bad. If used right, it can deepen the characters or their world, even if it doesn't affect the plot. Filler that no one cares about (which covers just about every title among DBZ's ilk) is painful to watch.
-Cha-La Head Cha-La and Zenkai Power were used as the respective opening and ending for much too long. For most of their run, they were a poor representation of the show.
Though I don't care all that much for Cha-La, I do like the idea of a show having just one main theme song (though if it's done right, changing theme songs can be used to illustrate changes in the plot, which is also neat). At the very least, I would have liked the opening animation to change more, even if they had to keep the same song (like what Madhouse's Hunter x Hunter does).

I definitely agree about Zenkai Power though. It overstayed its welcome.
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Post by Big Momma » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:17 pm

Looneygamemaster wrote:
It's filler so they did it right to not give two shits about it.
No, no, no...that attitude is what makes most anime filler so bad. If used right, it can deepen the characters or their world, even if it doesn't affect the plot. Filler that no one cares about (which covers just about every title among DBZ's ilk) is painful to watch.
This is how I feel. If the people making the filler don't care or put effort into it, then it's bound to be bad. But, if done right, filler can be great and expand on the characters/world.
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