The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:59 pm

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Saiga wrote:I've sort of given up on trying to evaluate the strength of movie characters, to be honest. Just too many confusing and contradictory things for me to even have an idea.

I will say that I believe that Vegetto is weaker than all of them without Super Saiyan. I think that the winner would come down to either Hirudegarn or Gohan-Boo, but I have no way of comparing them. Well, I guess Gohan-Boo could just win with his abilities even if he's a bit weaker, so I'll go with him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:00 pm

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Kakashi wrote:Hirudegarn > Gohan-Boo IMO so he wins.
There was no one even near the level of Gohan-Boo in the movie of Hirudegarn, and he was beaten and killed, so...
Hirudegarn easily beat Ultimate Gohan who is 60% of Gohan-Boo IMO. He also transformed
And he got killed by an attack of a fighter supposedly weaker than Gohan. Would that attack kill Gohan-Boo? I don't think so.

In fact, how would Hirudegarn actually kill Gohan-boo even if he was stronger? By punching? By throwing flames at him? Meanwhile, all that Gohan-Boo has to do is attack him in a similar way to what Goku did and Hirudegarn's dead.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:08 pm

Janemba has weird techniques too. Boo could shoot a candy beam at him, Janemba opens up a portal and it hits Boo, Vegetto or Hirudegarn in the back, taking out either one of those guys.
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Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:09 pm

Would those abilities work outside of Otherworld?
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:21 pm

Hmm, hard to say but I dont see why not. I mean Janemba's mere existence affected both the worlds of the living (bringing the deceased back to life) and the dead to the point where it was too much for even Shenron's magic to undo.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:23 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:Janemba has weird techniques too. Boo could shoot a candy beam at him, Janemba opens up a portal and it hits Boo, Vegetto or Hirudegarn in the back, taking out either one of those guys.
Those abilities sure helped him against Gogeta, didn't they? Why would Buu even use a candy beam on someone he could vaporize with a threatening glare?
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:40 pm

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goku the krump dancer wrote:Janemba has weird techniques too. Boo could shoot a candy beam at him, Janemba opens up a portal and it hits Boo, Vegetto or Hirudegarn in the back, taking out either one of those guys.
Those abilities sure helped him against Gogeta, didn't they?
Yeah Just like how Boo's change beam and absorption worked on Vegetto.. I mean yeah he defused but Boo also lost a great deal of power by the end of it so it was a double edged sword.
Why would Buu even use a candy beam on someone he could vaporize with a threatening glare?
If Janemba really is that much weaker than him (no one really knows for sure) could be for the same reason why he chose to turn Chi-Chi into an egg instead of knocking her head off for slapping him.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:44 pm

Yeah Just like how Boo's change beam and absorption worked on Vegetto.. I mean yeah he defused but Boo also lost a great deal of power by the end of it so it was a double edged sword.
Absorption did work, and according to the Daiz the beam only didn't work because of the Kaioshin magic of the earrings.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:48 pm

The question is. Would Janemba be able to react? Boo can teleport(Speed teleport not Shudokan Ido) behind Janemba and just candy shot his ass.

Also I thought Boo candy shot(Egg shot) Chi Chi cause she approached him and the fact she could't do anything anyways. I mean she's like...weak

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Yeah Just like how Boo's change beam and absorption worked on Vegetto.. I mean yeah he defused but Boo also lost a great deal of power by the end of it so it was a double edged sword.
Absorption did work, and according to the Daiz the beam only didn't work because of the Kaioshin magic of the earrings.
Can you give a quote for that? I don't remember that one.
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:02 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Yeah Just like how Boo's change beam and absorption worked on Vegetto.. I mean yeah he defused but Boo also lost a great deal of power by the end of it so it was a double edged sword.
Absorption did work, and according to the Daiz the beam only didn't work because of the Kaioshin magic of the earrings.
Can you give a quote for that? I don't remember that one.
Yeah I thought that was a fan theory myself. Even so though, it still doesnt change the fact that the change ray failed to stop Vegetto.


@RandomGuy And I said absorption worked just not in the way Boo hoped. It successfully silenced the beast but Boo himself lost power once it was all said and done because of Goku and Vegeta freeing their family members and Fat Boo. So it was a double edged sword like I stated earlier.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:35 am

Kakashi wrote:Gohan-Boo vs Hirudegarn vs Base Vegetto vs Janemba. Who wins?
All 3 of them are much stronger than Janenba (SS Gogeta could easily kick his ass, and base Vegetto is stronger than SS3 Gogeta), so even his powers won't help him, and he dies quickly. Hildegarn is weaker than Boo, but it doesn't matter because he is a huge monster that gets in Boo's way with his fight with Vegetto. Both Boo & Vegetto realize his weakness after a while, so after hitting him for a while, Boo turns him into a cookie the moment he tries to attack, and eats him. Eventually, we have Boo vs Vegetto, who are around the same level IMO, but Boo eventually wins the hard fight thanks to his stamina, regeneration, and techniques.
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Post by The Monkey King » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:44 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Yeah Just like how Boo's change beam and absorption worked on Vegetto.. I mean yeah he defused but Boo also lost a great deal of power by the end of it so it was a double edged sword.
Absorption did work, and according to the Daiz the beam only didn't work because of the Kaioshin magic of the earrings.
What? I thought it was because of the ki barrier Vegito made.
Once he let the barrier down he de-fused.

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Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:47 am

They're talking about Boo's candy beam, which failed to actually render Vegetto powerless.
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rereboy wrote:
Kakashi wrote:
Kakashi wrote:Hirudegarn > Gohan-Boo IMO so he wins.
There was no one even near the level of Gohan-Boo in the movie of Hirudegarn, and he was beaten and killed, so...
Hirudegarn easily beat Ultimate Gohan who is 60% of Gohan-Boo IMO. He also transformed
And he got killed by an attack of a fighter supposedly weaker than Gohan. Would that attack kill Gohan-Boo? I don't think so.

In fact, how would Hirudegarn actually kill Gohan-boo even if he was stronger? By punching? By throwing flames at him? Meanwhile, all that Gohan-Boo has to do is attack him in a similar way to what Goku did and Hirudegarn's dead.[/quote]
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Kakashi wrote: Goku was TOEI Haxed
So? Even if you don't like it, it still happened.

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Post by Kakashi » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:23 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kakashi wrote: Goku was TOEI Haxed
So? Even if you don't like it, it still happened.
He was much stronger

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Kakashi wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Kakashi wrote: Goku was TOEI Haxed
So? Even if you don't like it, it still happened.
He was much stronger
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