Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

[Zantetsuken]

Well, I'm done.
When you say things like "
3) Kaioushin doesn't say that this Buu is stronger than before, and a significant power decrease is indicated by the dialogue. Vegeta's comment is obviously about his physical size, but Goku is not one to base his judgment of a fighter's capabilities by their physical appearance. Likewise, his comment about Buu relates to what he was saying earlier in regards to weakening Evil Buu to a more manageable strength (see #1 for that)."

There is no implication that his power decreased - zero. Kaioshinn commented on him being MORE dangerous and more powerful than before, and in the very next panel, Vegeta mocks him for his physical size. If he did indeed lose power, why wasn't it noted - like his power increase was twice over. (Even the Anime takes this stance on the issue, so it's not really up for debate. )

I'm done with this conversation. You can't have open dialoge when you are being intentionally dishonest (or maybe you did read and hear what I saw) But We're done.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I know you said you're done, but where is it stated that he's more dangerous and powerful than before? Only the former is mentioned:

Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

The entire emphasis is on the fact that Boo was an unpredictable, crazy monster before he absorbed Dai Kaioshin and got weaker and more controllable.

Besides, if that was mentioned, that'd mean he's potentially stronger than Gohan, Gotenks, and normal Super Boo--since "more powerful than before" would most likely be taking all of his previous forms into consideration.

[Zantetsuken]

I know you said you're done, but where is it stated that he's more dangerous and powerful than before? Only the former is mentioned:

Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

The entire emphasis is on the fact that Boo was an unpredictable, crazy monster before he absorbed Dai Kaioshin and got weaker and more controllable.

Besides, if that was mentioned, that'd mean he's potentially stronger than Gohan, Gotenks, and normal Super Boo--since "more powerful than before" would most likely be taking all of his previous forms into consideration.

In Bold for you. It doesn't say anything about being "unpredictable" That's fanboy bullshit made to fit the story in their own words. /Gone.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't one of the producers of BoG say something around the lines of "nothing surpasses SSJ3 until now" or something like that. I can't remember the exact statement.

[Darkprince410]

I'm not being dishonest at all. The only time that Kaioushin makes any indication that Pure Buu is stronger than any other form of Buu is in reference to his strength in comparison to Fat Buu, as he references how he became more tamed as a result of absorbing Dai Kaioushin. That's it. Nothing about Evil Buu or any other Buu, just Pure Buu in comparison to Fat Buu.

Likewise, there is a clear indication of a battle power decrease from Evil Buu to Pure Buu.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

In addition to establishing outright that he and Vegeta couldn't win against Evil Buu, even after regaining their size upon leaving him (since you follow what is established in the anime as well as the manga, this is a given fact), this also establishes that even though he is weaker than he was before, he hasn't weakened as much as Goku is hoping to get him to. This is why he wants to stay inside Buu's body to weaken him further, as the Potaras aren't an option and Vegeta won't listen to him to try fusion.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

This one is obvious, as it's indicating the power increase from Evil Buu to South Kaioushin Buu.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”

Vegeta's line can be dismissed for obvious reasons, since it is about Buu's size, but as said, Goku isn't one to judge someone by their physical appearance and assume he can win based on that. Likewise, his "We did it!", as mentioned before, is a follow up to his comment when he and Vegeta were inside Buu. He was wanting to weaken Buu to the point where they would be able to manage something without the need of Gohan, Gotenks, or any kind of fusion on their own, and by Goku's own admission, Pure Buu is weak enough.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Calm down, sir. We're debating a Manga, not politics. No need for the salt.

Read my post. I already said Dai Kaioshin weakened and made Boo more controllable. That's outright stated. There's no plural in Japanese, so it could be singular. The emphasis on Boo changing dramatically was based on the absorption of Dai Kaioshin, which is reiterated in the Daizenshuu. Kaioshin agrees that he's the most "troublesome" Boo and mentions that he has no self-control. None of this is based on power at all.

Oh, and this, again:

Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

*Later*

Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell your to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”

*Later*

Goku: “…Like I thought, these…just ain’t suited for us…Even though you went out of your way to hand ‘em over…We want to fight with only our own power. I’m sorry, especially since things are so dangerous now…But [Boo] ain’t merged anymore either…“

Kid Boo can be defeated by Super Saiyan 3 Goku if he had enough time to build up his Chi
Super Boo cannot be defeated by Super Saiyan 3 Goku at all

All of the above is stated.

[Saiga]

If you want to look at the guidebooks, DB Forever says that Boo's power was lowered by having his absorptions undone, captioning a picture of Fat Boo's pod being removed. Which heavily, heavily implies that the absorption of Fat Boo being undone lowered Boo's power.

[freezamite]

Kid Bu was stronger than Fat Bu, but weaker than Super-Bu which was weaker than South-kai Bu. At least that's how it seems to me.
But on the other hand, Kid Bu had free regenerating abilities and infinite ki, while Fat bu only had "almost free" regenerating abilities and finite ki.
If some of those were also true for Super Bu, then there could be a slight chance for Kid Bu to overtake super Bo in some really convoluted scenarios where super Bo couldn't kill kid Bo before exhausting and losing the power advantage. Of course, that's only IF this was the case.

[hleV]

Oh boy, it really is incredible how a person can take one or two things, interpret them the way he wants without considering other possibilities, and claim that this negates the facts that aren't in his favor.

@Zantetsuken, you've failed to counter the hard evidence thrown at you, and you've also failed to prove how your interpretations of certain scenes are above other interpretations and thus negate the hard evidence that was thrown at you.
There is one and only conclusion. You're wrong. Please consider it.

[Metrite]

Every time we get something new, it either hints at Goku being stronger or does nothing. These days, the old Buu debates almost feel like debates between whether things are how Toriyama and folks decided to make it in the end, or whether things are how many people wish they had chosen to make it in the end.

The old arguments about the manga and such are always the same and always go in the same circles. I think the following list somebody made a couple years ago pretty much sums up almost everything from both sides. With things like Battle of Gods now here, this is a little outdated. For fun I'll just add and mark one of the newer arguments that have come along since then.

List of the main arguments that Evil Majin Buu is stronger than Pure Majin Buu:
1. When inside Buu, Goku says that Buu is too strong and they would lose if they went out like they were. So he has to be weaker than Evil Majin Buu.
Argument against: Since Goku knew they were inside Buu, he knew they were smaller than normal (though not aware of the extent to which they had truly shrank, since he thought they were still big enough to inflict damage) and he knew that it would be unwise to go out with several unconscious people that rescuing was the whole point of them being in there. So he insisted on fusion because he didn't want to risk facing Buu under as big a handicapped.

2. Goku said he wasn't sure if he could beat Buu when they first fought but figured Goten and Trunks fusing would do and so must be weaker than Buu and Gotenks.
Argument against: Goku could have beaten that Buu but held back and bluffed about it because he wanted to entrust the world to the new generation. And he didn't know exactly how strong whatever Goten and Trunks become would be and so knew it was a gamble but acted confident to inspire them to do their best.

3. When Pure Majin buu first appears, Goku and Vegeta looked puzzled for a second and then Vegeta notes that he shrank quite a bit to which Goku says this looks like something they can handle. This must mean this Buu was weaker than any other because even Vegeta was confident in his ability to take this one on.
Argument against: They couldn't really tell how strong this Buu was from him just standing there and so were underestimating him and so were surprised when he yelled and launched an attack neither of them could stop.

List of the arguments that Pure Majin Buu is stronger than Evil Majin Buu:
1. After Buu changed back to his original form, Kaioushin said, "It was through absorption that his heart changed, which even went so far as to reduce his power... but now it has returned to its original state..." He said that Buu's heart, which had reduced his power, changed back. Whose heart changed back to its original state? Evil Majin Buu. So who had reduced power? Evil Majin Buu. That explains why Evil Majin Buu panicked and said he wouldn't be himself any longer if the other Buu was removed. His many characteristics from his love of food to his ability to interact with others all resulted from his heart changing via absorption, a side effect of that being that he lost power.
Argument against: Since that does not agree with Evil Majin Buu being stronger than Pure Majin Buu, it is better to dismiss Kaioushin's line and make up one's own assumptions about why Buu became stronger or weaker.

2. After Gohan started losing to Majin Buu with Gotenks absorbed, Rou Kaioushin offered his life to Goku to send him back to help. Goku accepted the offer with the impression that he was to go fight Buu himself without fusing. This is shown by the fact that we next see Goku with his fingers to his head saying that he's off. Rou Kaioushin then stops him and states his doubts to which Goku ponders for a moment and then says that if him and Gohan do fusion they could definitely win, which leads to Rou Kaioushin offering the potaras as a better way to fuse. This means that when Goku had his fingers up to his head, he was about to teleport to the battlefield and fight Buu himself without fusion. This shows that Goku was not afraid to fight Evil Majin Buu under normal circumstances. And he had to have thought he was capable of at least achieving something against Majin Buu with Gotenks absorbed, otherwise he should have rejected the offer for revival with the excuse that he could accomplish nothing.
Argument against: Goku was just acting hastily without thought.

3. After the wish to revive everybody, Goku was wondering what plan Vegeta could be thinking of and guesses that he must have revived Gohan and Gotenks to come fight with them. The fact that Goku mentioned both Gohan and Gotenks suggests that the only thing he could think of doing was have everybody gang up on Buu, which would not make sense if Gohan could effortlessly win alone.
Argument against: Goku thought bringing them both would be better because they had both lost before and deserved a chance for payback.

4. Goku was initially against the idea of using the Genki Dama and said that taking a little energy from everybody wouldn't be enough. Vegeta then says that instead of taking a little they'll be taking it down to the threshold. After that Goku and everybody else from Gohan to Piccolo all act like it was the best idea. This must mean that the Genki Dama was a better choice over bringing Gohan. Gohan was also the first person to donate to the Genki Dama and Goku said that it still wouldn't be enough to destroy Buu. This shows that Gohan was not far too much, if any, stronger than Buu, otherwise his energy alone should have been more than enough.
Argument against: Everybody acted like it was a good idea so that Vegeta wouldn't look stupid. And Gohan held back most of his energy because him providing too much would make the people of Earth seem useless.

5.After Buu was beaten, Vegeta insisted in destroying Good Majin Buu because it would be the end of everything if that devastating Buu were to ever appear again. Goku says that he'll keep training so that if this ever does happen again he'll be ready to fight and not lose. Since Goku said it would be himself improving to make sure they don't lose next time, it suggests that none of them were truly capable of beating him individually.
Arguments against: Goku is a glory hog.

6. The big form that Buu turned into which when he absorbed the south Kaioushin was mentioned as being stronger than Evil Majin Buu. Since Kaioushin was so amazed by Gohan's strength that he thought he could do what no Kaioushin could, it shows the saiya-jins were already far stronger than the Kaiouishins were. The big form that Buu took on after absorbing one therefore couldn't be too noticibly stronger than Buu's original form.
Argument against: The south Kaioushin was an exceptional one that was even stronger than Buu, but he never bothered to try pulling the Z sword because he figured that if nobody else could then he may not either. And it had been so long that Kaioushin had forgotten how strong his friend really was.

7. Pure Majin Buu must have been significantly stronger than Gohan, or else Goku should not have cared about Buu being reborn. And he especially should not have had any reason to train the reborn Buu. The nature of the saiya-jin has always been, "The stronger the opponent the better". If Gohan was far stronger than Pure Majin Buu, then Goku could just seek occasional fights from Gohan who was already trained and far stronger. The fact that he chose to leave his family yet again in order to train Uub shows that Goku expects Uub to be the strongest challenger available.
Argument against: Goku doesn't like fighting people stronger than himself and so wanted Uub as an opponent that he knew he could beat.

8. In the final chapter of the Neko Majin manga where Goku appears, Goku claims there is somebody that him, Gohan, Uub, Pan, and Goten can't handle. With a shocked look his feline student says, "Even master, even Uub...?!" That fact that he singles them out suggests they the strongest amongst the people Goku mentioned, which included Gohan. So apparently that suggests Goku and Uub were both stronger than Gohan.
Argument against: Other manga shouldn't be used for clues as to how things were or how things were meant to be because it's not a direct part of DB.

*9. In Battle of Gods, when when Vegeta is being told about Birusu he doesn't seem too concerned until he's told that Goku was beaten. Instead of scoffing and saying, "It took him two blows to beat Kakarot? Pathetic. Gohan could beat him just by breathng on him," he freaks out and becomes so desperate to avoid conflict with Birusu that he goes as far as to dance his pride away. This suggests Goku was the strongest amongst them meaning that if he couldn't win then none of them could.
Argument against: Vegeta had forgotten how amazingly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are.

Personally, I always thought of point 1 on the latter side to be the main thing that convinced me that Pure Buu was at least meant to be stronger than Evil Buu. I see no reason whatsoever to have included that detail about his reduced power coming from a changed heart to be included unless it was to simply tell the children, "That's right, kids! This Buu is even stronger! What can they do now? Find out in the next chapter of Dragon Ball!" Either it's purpose was simply that, or else it was put there to deceive the readers into thinking something that was never meant to be.

[Darkprince410]

The whole thing of him losing power when he gained his heart is purely in regards to becoming Fat Buu, as it's saying that he lost power through the absorption that gave him a heart, and it was only the absorption of the Dai Kaioushin that was stated to give him one. Nothing was said or implied that the South Kaioushin affected him negatively in any way, only the Dai Kaioushin.

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that there is an established decrease in power from Evil Buu to Pure Buu, as pointed out by Goku.

A lot of the points/counterpoints on that don't really work with what's established in the manga/making assumptions that really have no basis in fact.

1) The whole counterpoint to Goku establishing that he and Vegeta would be no match against Evil Buu doesn't really work, because he's saying that based on them being outside at the time, fully restored to normal size and with access to their full strength. Goku though was absolutely exasperated about the thought of fighting Buu without fusing, panicked at the very thought about it and repeatedly insisting that fusing was their only way. Besides, Gohan and the others (weakened) would still be at just the same risk regardless if the two tried fighting Buu separately or fused together.

2) Partially true, because we do know for certain that he lied about his own ability to defeat Fat Buu. However, he does know how strong the fusion technique is (because he's seen it performed and makes note of the significant jump in strength the fusion was over the two individually) and likewise knows just how powerful the boys are. He was gambling on the boys, but still knew that even without the Room of Spirit and Time, the fusion would be strong enough to defeat Buu. This in turn gives us a clear bit of evidence that still establishes Evil Buu as being stronger. Disregarding Goku's comment about his own inability, for Ssj Gotenks to be strong enough to defeat Fat Buu, he would have to at least be above Ssj2 Vegeta (as Ssj2 Vegeta was beaten soundly by Buu).

Since Ssj2 Goku and Ssj2 Vegeta are the same strength, this would put Ssj Gotenks above Ssj2 Goku as well. Furthermore, with no real indication that Gotenks' Ssj forms behave differently than Goku's or the others, this would put Ssj2 Gotenks over twice as strong as Ssj2 Goku, and Ssj3 Gotenks over eight times as strong as Ssj2 Goku. Since Ssj3 Goku is four times as strong as his Ssj2 form, this would put Ssj3 Gotenks over four times as strong as Ssj3 Goku.

3) Can be explained simply by them not having the time to react to him firing it. His initial blast was relatively weak, to where Ssj Vegeta was able to blast it away on his own, but the second one was considerably larger and more powerful, to where Goku would have needed to transform into an Ssj3 in order to stop it. By that time the blast would probably be too far down for him to actually do anything.

For Pure being stronger

1) This isn't one that's ignored at all. Yes, he lost power from absorbing the Dai Kaioushin, but you forget that it's not Pure Buu that he's weakening, but South Kaioushin Buu, so it'd just be countering some of the strength he gained from absorbing the South Kaioushin. Now I know you're going to say "But Fat Buu is weaker than Pure Buu" as an argument to that, but that may not be the case.

During his fight with Vegeta (though at least hinted before), it's established that Buu grows stronger the angrier he gets, essentially like Gohan in earlier sagas. When Goku fought him though, he not only wasn't angry, but was thoroughly enjoying himself throughout the fight. This leaves it open for the possibility that he wasn't anywhere near his full strength when he fought Goku. A theory that myself and a few others have is that Fat Buu, in truth, could reach a strength almost equal to that of Evil Buu, but that Dai's influence on him would force a separation of his good and evil sides before he reached that same level. This would make it so that Fat Buu is stronger than Pure Buu, while at the same time making Goku's comment still accurate given the info he was aware of.

2) It was pretty clear though that Goku was being too hasty about it. For him to agree with Rou Kaioushin does pretty much mean that he wasn't thinking about it when he initially planned to join the fight.

3) Or he wanted to make absolutely sure that they finished Buu off for good. What if he just brought Gotenks up and somehow Gotenks got absorbed, or what if Goku got absorbed? It's better to have that backup there ready to step in should the situation need it rather than leave it all up to an attack that had never killed an enemy before.

4) Gohan and the others weren't aware of the alternative plan that Goku had suggested, and Goku only agreed with Vegeta's idea based on the motives as to why he wanted it used. Vegeta knew full well that bringing Gohan or Gotenks up would be the simpler solution, but he wanted the people of the Earth to take part in their own survival for once rather than leaving it to the Z Senshi all the time.

Likewise, ki is made up of three different components (as established by Toriyama) with one of those parts being genki. It is the genki of ki that is donated to make the Genki Dama (hence the name). Gohan and the others not donating enough to destroy Pure Buu simply means that their combined genki wasn't enough to do so, and isn't implicating one bit that their ki wouldn't have been enough.

5) I take it as Goku planning on taking responsibility for allowing Mr. Buu to live. Since he's vouching to let Mr. Buu stay alive rather than destroying him, his comment that they'll just get strong enough so that it'd never be an issue again is more him saying that he'll clean up his own mess since he made it.

6) Kaioushin was amazed at Gohan's strength because it was the strength of a mortal. It wasn't that it was strength beyond what he could comprehend, just stronger than what he imagined that mortals could achieve. Likewise, as mentioned, all that's said about who has tried to pull out the Z Sword is "countless Kaioushin". It doesn't say who or how many, so that leaves it open for him not to have tried, and why would he need to? Prior to Buu's arrival, there wasn't any threat since the enemy that sealed Rou in the Z Sword that the Kaioushin couldn't handle, and with him the strongest of the five, why would he feel the need to attain power that he didn't even need?

7) Gohan had settled down to pursue the life of a scholar, and you know occasional matches with him wouldn't satisfy Goku. Goku wanted someone on equal footing with him that he could fight against all the time, and Uub was the only person to really fit that bill. Besides, with him having become a scholar and devoting his time to studies, I have a feeling that Goku wouldn't have wanted to interfere with Gohan's life.

Neko Majin Z is a gag manga, with many things changed around for the fun of it and therefore isn't meant to be taken seriously. Otherwise we'd have to accept that there are two more pure Saiya-jin in the universe than Goku, Vegeta, and Tarble (Onio and his wife), that Vegeta was under the employ of Freeza still even after having become a Super Saiya-jin, that Freeza has a son with a head shaped like a chestnut, etc.

9) Vegeta knows how strong both Gohan and Goku are, and even in a situation of an enemy that would be able to defeat Gohan easily, Goku would still last more than two very casual attacks. For example, with the fight between Gotenks Buu and Gohan, where we know for certain Gotenks Buu was stronger than Gohan and was beating him around pretty severely, I'm certain that Goku would be able to take more than a single flick to the forehead and a very light chop to the neck from Gotenks Buu before being taken out. He'd get beaten around severely, but he'd still last longer than that. For someone to be so strong that two insignificantly weak blows completely took out Ssj3 Goku (a stronger one than what we see during the Buu Saga), that'd easily show Vegeta just how screwed anyone else would be in a fight.

[Metrite]

The whole thing of him losing power when he gained his heart is purely in regards to becoming Fat Buu

The problem there is it clearly says, "His heart, which through adsorption even caused his power to be reduced, has returned to its original state." Fat Buu's heart never returned to it's original state, it was Evil Buu's heart that did. That's the whole reason he shouted, "I won't be me any more!" Therefore he had reduced power. If the heart that caused reduced power was only in Fat Buu and not in Evil Buu, then it would be completely wrong to say that his heart which caused reduced power had changed back because his heart didn't cause reduced power any more. Mentioning his power at all would be 100% pointless and irrelevant. The only purpose it could possibly serve is to tell another detail about why it was a bad thing, essentially informing the reader, "Not only is he totally psycho, he's even stronger".

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that there is an established decrease in power from Evil Buu to Pure Buu, as pointed out by Goku.

Nothing really "established" there. Or else one could establish that Pure Buu is on par with Gotenks Buu by arguing something like, "Goku showed willingness to immediately fight Gotenks Buu himself without fusion, but he felt he needed time to plan and prepare for Pure Buu, therefore Pure Buu is at least as strong as Gotenks Buu." And then from there proceed into the infinite loop.

A lot of the points/counterpoints on that don't really work with what's established in the manga/making assumptions that really have no basis in fact.

Like you just did yourself in many of your arguments for/against certain points? You have just as many theories and non-factual "facts" to twist everything to the way you wish it to be as anybody on the other side does.

In the end, whether it be arguing that he's the strongest Buu or weakest Buu, neither side has a denitive answer, nor is more "logical" than the other. It's whatever opinion one formed (or rather plagiarized in most cases lol) and how insistent they are to never changing it. Often times these days it almost feels like certain people just clinging to old religions, like the people that insist Ultimate Gohan is stronger than ssj god Goku. Since their old belief was that Gohan has greater potential than Goku, and becoming Ultimate Gohan means he's at his full potential and can never get any stronger at all, that means Goku can never surpass Gohan no matter what. So why did Birusu own Gohan so hard? Gohan was drunk. Had he not been high, he'd have mopped the floor with that so-called God of Destruction. I personally would never have thought of it that way, but if it's honestly how they view things then its no less accurate than those of us that think ssj god Goku is the stronger of the two.

[Darkprince410]

Even when he was Evil Buu, he still had some remnants of the heart he gained from absorbing Dai Kaioushin, because Mr. Buu was within him. Without that heart, which he gained from an absorption that lowered his power (didn't say it lowered it below Pure Buu, just that it lowered it from what it was before, which was South Kaioushin Buu), he returned to his pure evil nature. All the line is there for it to show that he no longer has a heart, and is pure evil now.

Except that in the case of Gotenks Buu, it's quickly established that he isn't as strong as Buu by someone else and he agrees with them, whereas there is nothing said at any point that contradicts Goku's comment that he and Vegeta are weaker than normal Evil Buu. Goku in fact comments numerous times to the fact that they'd need fusion to defeat normal Evil Buu, all of which is taking into account them leaving his body and regaining their size. Goku wanted to stay inside Buu to try and find a way to further reduce his strength, and after seeing how much weaker Buu became when he reverted to Pure Buu, he was elated, exclaiming that they had succeeded in weakening him to the point that they'd be able to manage something.

Other than the one theory with Fat Buu being nearly as strong as Evil Buu, everything I mentioned pulls information from either the manga or other accepted sources. Likewise, I've never heard anyone until just now say that they feel that Gohan is stronger than Ssj God Goku, because that's impossible given what we see. Gohan's potential being higher than Goku's, and thus being stronger than Goku, only works for everything up to that movie, because Ssj God Goku doesn't draw energy just from himself. He needed the ki of the others to push him into a level of power far beyond his own, and obviously far above Gohan. Unlike some of the other arguments that pop up on these forums, that's the kind of debate that only has one side, and really no one would have anything to go off of that would support that Gohan was still stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

*9. In Battle of Gods, when when Vegeta is being told about Birusu he doesn't seem too concerned until he's told that Goku was beaten. Instead of scoffing and saying, "It took him two blows to beat Kakarot? Pathetic. Gohan could beat him just by breathng on him," he freaks out and becomes so desperate to avoid conflict with Birusu that he goes as far as to dance his pride away. This suggests Goku was the strongest amongst them meaning that if he couldn't win then none of them could.
Argument against: Vegeta had forgotten how amazingly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are.

I personally think that Vegeta reacted like that with Beers for the same reason he had an identical reaction with Broli due to his title.

He believed that he could defeat the Legendary Super Saiyan, but after seeing that Broli was really strong, he gave up completely because the Legendary Super Saiyan is supposed to be unbeatable.
Even though he knew that the Hakaishin Beers was extremely strong from his childhood times, he only realized that he was dangerous only when Kaio told him that Goku lost so easily & that no one would be able to beat him on Earth. He gave up completely because the Hakaishin (God of Destruction) is supposed to be unbeatable.

[Metrite]

All the line is there for it to show that he no longer has a heart, and is pure evil now.

Which would make mentioning his power at all be 100% pointless and irrelevant (or an attempt to deceive readers). The line is about Evil Buu changing back to Pure Buu. Simply taking that line at face value means Evil Buu's heart changed back to the Pure Buu's, and so the power reduction was also now gone (which there wouldn't have existed at all if Pure Buu was weaker).

everything I mentioned pulls information from either the manga or other accepted sources.

You mean everything you mention pulls information from theories and opinions you derive from the manga to make everything fit your view. Like making up the reasoning that Goku couldn't stop Buu's attack in time because he'd have to turn ssj3 and it might be too far by then. Goku had already shown he could turn ssj3 in an instant, and the attack was headed right towards them. I personally would take that to mean when he said they couldn't stop it he meant it, you'd take that as Goku not having time to change because it better goes with your desired view. Another example being the claim that fusion follows some direct formula to such as extent that Goku knew 100% exactly how strong Gotenks would be before he existed. There's plenty of evidence that wasn't the case. But Goku knowing absolutely how strong the resulting being would be fits better with your view and is therefore the one you will always insist to be right. Plenty of other examples, but the only point I make is that your view is no less guilty of twisting things, nor is it any more true to "established facts" than the others.