Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chapter

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by Tyro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:43 pm

Hey guys. I'll be working with Cold Skin to fill in all the missing chapter previews, starting with the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc and continuing until we finish the Boo arc. This will take some time (finals, holidays, work), but I hope you'll be persuaded to purchase these amazing books. To start you off, how about a little disappointment?

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Unfortunately it seems that the Full Color manga chose to color Pure Evil Majin Boo grey instead of Toriyama's intended pink, like the rest of the Boos.

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Post by Cold Skin » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:11 pm

^ There was hope, but I'm not surprised: the Toriyama pink "evil Boo" is something that is hinted through only one occurence and took several fans here to conclude "okay, those are not the natural colors, but if his skin was to be grey, he would have not colored it, so if he made it pink like the other Boos on the very same page, it must be that he saw him as being pink like the other Boos".
So I wouldn't be surprised if the staff didn't find it (I think they mostly look at the original color pages and the main Toriyama illustrations now shown in the Chogashu to take their decision, they possibly don't check out other guides aside from the cover illustration).

Likewise, given the very few occurences of High School Gohan's training outfit in Toriyama's artworks (almost each time with a different color), I have very little hope that they'll use something else than the anime colors, which I never liked much compared to all other versions by Toriyama.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:17 pm

Looks more like a faded pink rather than gray to me.

Can we have this shot from the colored manga to compare?

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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by Tyro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Looks more like a faded pink rather than gray to me.

Can we have this shot from the colored manga to compare?
*snip*
Absolutely, but it's nowhere near as good as the anime's shot. You only get to see Pure Evil Boo's head.

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Lighter than the anime? Yep. Still grey? Yep.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:35 pm

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That's the color. It looks like light purple/pink.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by hleV » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:48 pm

It should be the same pink as the other Boo forms, so Full-Color Manga sucks when it comes to color accuracy. Not that it wasn't evident from Kaio-ken already, but this just confirms it.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by Tyro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:52 pm

Here's a comparison of Full Color Mr. Boo, Pure Evil Boo, and your shot of Pure Evil Boo in the anime.

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No doubt about it, it's different than the anime. Definitely closer to pink, but it's still unsatisfying that he's not pink like the other Boos.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:26 pm

To play devil's advocate, we never saw Pure Evil Boo in pink color like the other Boo's.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by rereboy » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:08 pm

I'm satisfied with that color for Pure Evil Buu. Its a nice compromise between pink and grey. Despite not being really grey like in the anime, it still manages to function as an indicator that this Buu is supposed to be the opposite of Good Buu even in color, while still having just enough pink in his color to be a Buu. Couldn't have asked for a better result, really.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by Tyro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:14 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:To play devil's advocate, we never saw Pure Evil Boo in pink color like the other Boo's.
Well he certainly was as pink as every other incarnation of Boo in the Daizenshuu, and without any sort of shading in the manga. If it weren't for the anime I doubt we'd be under the impression that it's natural for him to be another color.

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Post by rereboy » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:22 pm

Tyro wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:To play devil's advocate, we never saw Pure Evil Boo in pink color like the other Boo's.
Well he certainly was as pink as every other incarnation of Boo in the Daizenshuu, and without any sort of shading in the manga. If it weren't for the anime I doubt we'd be under the impression that it's natural for him to be another color.
The anime people probably gave the grey color to keep in line with theme that is the opposite of Good Buu, a theme that exists in the manga.

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Post by Cold Skin » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:31 pm

I like the idea of a faded pink.
I think it's meant to be related to his "sick" appearance. While Mr. Boo is fat and seems like some "enjoying life" kind of guy even with his cheery bright pink color, Evil Boo is terribly skinny and a very pale pink, making you feel more uncomfortable like a very ill version of Boo, a "malfunction" of the other Boo or something like that. So in the end, I think it's nice that he's still pink, but a very "sick" pale pink to go with his sick, gloomy appearance.

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Post by Tyro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:43 pm

rereboy wrote:The anime people probably gave the grey color to keep in line with theme that is the opposite of Good Buu, a theme that exists in the manga.
But that's not what I'm saying. The anime is free to change whatever it so wishes. It used a yellow SS aura, pink for Muten Roshi's house, gave Piccolo five fingers, the list goes on. And sure, Pure Evil Boo is the polar opposite of Innocent Boo. But that has next to nothing to do with color. For instance, Piccolo Daimao doesn't need to be red to show that he's the evil counterpart to a green God, right? Everything would be exactly the same whether Pure Evil Boo is grey or pink because he's still the evil half of Majin Boo. But pink seems to be the official color of this character in the manga guides, every bit as pink as the other Boos. So IMO they should have stuck closer to the original intent instead of looking to the anime for inspiration.

But it is what it is. And imagery aside, I wanted something closer to the original.

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Post by rereboy » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:55 pm

Tyro wrote:
rereboy wrote:The anime people probably gave the grey color to keep in line with theme that is the opposite of Good Buu, a theme that exists in the manga.
But that's not what I'm saying. The anime is free to change whatever it so wishes. It used a yellow SS aura, pink for Muten Roshi's house, gave Piccolo five fingers, the list goes on. And sure, Pure Evil Boo is the polar opposite of Innocent Boo. But that has next to nothing to do with color. For instance, Piccolo Daimao doesn't need to be red to show that he's the evil counterpart to a green God, right? Everything would be exactly the same whether Pure Evil Boo is grey or pink because he's still the evil half of Majin Boo. But pink seems to be the official color of this character in the manga guides, every bit as pink as the other Boos. So IMO they should have stuck closer to the original intent instead of looking to the anime for inspiration.

But it is what it is. And imagery aside, I wanted something closer to the original.
You said that we wouldn't be under the impression that Buu is of another color if it wasn't for the anime. I was simply trying to say that, as the anime thought of a different color for him, many fans could also have imagined a different color for him considering the whole theme of him being physically and mentally the opposite of Fat Buu, especially those you hadn't read the Daizenshuu.

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Post by Cold Skin » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:20 pm

Evil Boo is probably the most insignificant version of Boo anyway, you only get to see him for a few panels. So I wouldn't mind that much, most of Boo remains "safe". :wink:

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:43 pm

Tyro wrote:Well he certainly was as pink as every other incarnation of Boo in the Daizenshuu
But the Daizenshuu image had limited colors. We can't say for certainty that they were exactly the same color.
Tyro wrote:and without any sort of shading in the manga.
It's a light color, it doesn't need any shading.

I would prefer him to be pink like the others, but at least they didn't make him gray.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But the Daizenshuu image had limited colors. We can't say for certainty that they were exactly the same color.
I think we get a pretty good indication. Here's the page from Daizenshuu #4 with all of the Boos:
And directly across from them on the previous page are Bobbidi's other underlings. Yakon in particular is shaded. I think if Pure Evil Boo were supposed to be represented as grey or darker than the others there would have been some detail given to this.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:59 pm

But he is not gray in the colored manga, he is light pink, and the rest of the Boos are pink.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Tyro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:28 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But he is not gray in the colored manga, he is light pink, and the rest of the Boos are pink.
As I have been saying, there's no indication that his skin color is any different from Mr., Evil, or Pure Boo in both the manga and Daizenshuu. If it was of a darker tone I would think we would see something in one or both publications, but we don't. I would have liked to see this represented in the Full Color manga but it seems that they've gone the way of darkening his skin like the anime, although not to the same degree. It's nice to see that it's still somewhat pink, but it's more than a touch grey, but still a step up from the anime. That we can agree on. What I've been saying is, strictly manga-canonically speaking, everything points to them being the same color and that is what I was hoping to see.

But this is getting a tad monotonous. Before I start breaking thing downs chapter-by-chapter at the 23rd TB is there anything else of interest you guys want to see? (I don't have volumes 42 and 35 yet, but soon!)

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Post by rereboy » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:43 pm

With the limited colors of those images on Daizenshuu, it would be impossible to reproduce light pink, even if that was what Toriyama had in mind. Heck, even the pink of the anime and the pink of Buu used in other illustrations is lighter than the color used in Daizenshuu, since it looks almost red.

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