Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I was talking about Piccolo not sensing Gohan's & co. powers from Kaio's Planet but anyway. Still, Piccolo only mentions 3 huge kis, not 3 weaker or stronger than him kis.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He still says he has to go and save Gohan and Krillin. No way to slice it, he has to be on their tier to be of help.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I was talking about Piccolo not sensing Gohan's & co. powers from Kaio's Planet but anyway. Still, Piccolo only mentions 3 huge kis, not 3 weaker or stronger than him kis.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
When does he say that?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I believe when he is talking to Nail.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Piccolo says in both shitlations of the manga & FUNi subs that he is rushing to help the kids, not save them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
What does the Viz say?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Piccolo says in both shitlations of the manga & FUNi subs that he is rushing to help the kids, not save them.
Even still, he has to be in the same tier IMO.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I think I'll agree on that (I have to think about it a little), but hundreds of thousands isn't in the same tier.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Why not? Gohan and Krillin need to be that high to be of help against a 530K opponent. Piccolo says he will help too meaning he is in the same tier.
Krillin: 200,000
Gohan: 250,000
Piccolo: 300,000
I will roll with that.
Think about it this way:
Ginyu tier: 40,000 - 120,000
Freeza Tier: 180,000 - 530,000
Krillin: 200,000
Gohan: 250,000
Piccolo: 300,000
I will roll with that.
Think about it this way:
Ginyu tier: 40,000 - 120,000
Freeza Tier: 180,000 - 530,000
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Piccolo after his Kaio training is stronger than Nail. I would say he is around Ginyu bit nowhere near Frieza. Nail says Piccolo would get beaten and Frieza was at half power vs him IMO
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Krillin and Gohan were 20,000 - 30,000 at that timeZombie wrote:Why not? Gohan and Krillin need to be that high to be of help against a 530K opponent. Piccolo says he will help too meaning he is in the same tier.
Krillin: 200,000
Gohan: 250,000
Piccolo: 300,000
I will roll with that.
Think about it this way:
Ginyu tier: 40,000 - 120,000
Freeza Tier: 180,000 - 530,000
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Nope, Gohan and Krillin are stated to have gotten stronger by Vegeta. They also got stated to be of help against Freeza (530K). How are people with 20-30K PL suppose to help fight Freeza?
No where is it stated Freeza only used 50% against Nail. What Nail said is if Piccolo fused again (Which will double his power, stated by Guru) he will be able to beat Freeza.
No where is it stated Freeza only used 50% against Nail. What Nail said is if Piccolo fused again (Which will double his power, stated by Guru) he will be able to beat Freeza.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Frieza was not powered up vs Nail and Gohan and Krillin vs 23,000 GinyuZombie wrote:Nope, Gohan and Krillin are stated to have gotten stronger by Vegeta. They also got stated to be of help against Freeza (530K). How are people with 20-30K PL suppose to help fight Freeza?
No where is it stated Freeza only used 50% against Nail. What Nail said is if Piccolo fused again (Which will double his power, stated by Guru) he will be able to beat Freeza.
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Yes but no where was it stated it was only using half.Kakashi wrote:Freeza was not powered up vs Nail and Gohan and Krillin vs 23,000 GinyuZombie wrote:Nope, Gohan and Krillin are stated to have gotten stronger by Vegeta. They also got stated to be of help against Freeza (530K). How are people with 20-30K PL suppose to help fight Freeza?
No where is it stated Freeza only used 50% against Nail. What Nail said is if Piccolo fused again (Which will double his power, stated by Guru) he will be able to beat Freeza.
So two 20,000 - 30,000 can help against a 530K guy. OK...
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I said IMO. Krillin and Gohan struggled vs 23,000 Ginyu. Even if they are stronger they can't be stronger than Ginu tier. Krillin was peeing in his pants when Frieza powered up. They can help to distract him so Vegeta can winZombie wrote:Yes but no where was it stated it was only using half.Kakashi wrote:Freeza was not powered up vs Nail and Gohan and Krillin vs 23,000 GinyuZombie wrote:Nope, Gohan and Krillin are stated to have gotten stronger by Vegeta. They also got stated to be of help against Freeza (530K). How are people with 20-30K PL suppose to help fight Freeza?
No where is it stated Freeza only used 50% against Nail. What Nail said is if Piccolo fused again (Which will double his power, stated by Guru) he will be able to beat Freeza.
So two 20,000 - 30,000 can help against a 530K guy. OK...
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Tenshinhan showed up to help against Evil Boo. You don't need a certain power level to want to help someone, and Nail straight up tells Piccolo he'll be killed by Freeza if he doesn't merge with Nail.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
That example doesn't really fit. Ten used a special technique to block an attack. Piccolo sensed all powers involved and still thought he could actually help them win, just because of the power he gained in that week. He never said anything like "Oh no, I THOUGHT that I'd powered up massively, but it turns out even Krillin is several times stronger than me!". I don't see how any of this fits without some serious Piccolo-hax from a week of training.Saiga wrote:Tenshinhan showed up to help against Evil Boo. You don't need a certain power level to want to help someone, and Nail straight up tells Piccolo he'll be killed by Freeza if he doesn't merge with Nail.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
It still doesn't place Piccolo in the hundreds of thousands, it only places him in the dozens.
For the power-up being so huge, I guess we could explain it from running through the Serpentine Road for a month, and the fact that Piccolo can train almost all day since he is dead, plus that Kaio's training gives an incredible power-up.
As for Gohan's & Kuririn's power, I don't buy that they went from over 10.000 to hundreds of thousands in a few hours. Yes, their power was rising over time, but not to that point. Besides, Kuririn is officially at 75.000 during the battle with Freeza, and Gohan is at 200.000 after his near-death power-up with Freeza.
For the power-up being so huge, I guess we could explain it from running through the Serpentine Road for a month, and the fact that Piccolo can train almost all day since he is dead, plus that Kaio's training gives an incredible power-up.
As for Gohan's & Kuririn's power, I don't buy that they went from over 10.000 to hundreds of thousands in a few hours. Yes, their power was rising over time, but not to that point. Besides, Kuririn is officially at 75.000 during the battle with Freeza, and Gohan is at 200.000 after his near-death power-up with Freeza.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Krillin is 75,000 after he was healed by Dende and so is Gohan. Prior than that, they are just 20,000-30,000 range IMODBZGTKOSDH wrote:It still doesn't place Piccolo in the hundreds of thousands, it only places him in the dozens.
For the power-up being so huge, I guess we could explain it from running through the Serpentine Road for a month, and the fact that Piccolo can train almost all day since he is dead, plus that Kaio's training gives an incredible power-up.
As for Gohan's & Kuririn's power, I don't buy that they went from over 10.000 to hundreds of thousands in a few hours. Yes, their power was rising over time, but not to that point. Besides, Kuririn is officially at 75.000 during the battle with Freeza, and Gohan is at 200.000 after his near-death power-up with Freeza.
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What's the point, then? Him being in the dozens of thousands is only very slightly less improbable than him being in the hundreds of thousands. Him having made any noticeable gain at all is. So why insist he's not?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It still doesn't place Piccolo in the hundreds of thousands, it only places him in the dozens.
For the power-up being so huge, I guess we could explain it from running through the Serpentine Road for a month, and the fact that Piccolo can train almost all day since he is dead, plus that Kaio's training gives an incredible power-up.
As for Gohan's & Kuririn's power, I don't buy that they went from over 10.000 to hundreds of thousands in a few hours. Yes, their power was rising over time, but not to that point. Besides, Kuririn is officially at 75.000 during the battle with Freeza, and Gohan is at 200.000 after his near-death power-up with Freeza.
I have no problem with him being 400,000 now. Not like it matters at all.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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But it's wrong. Frieza before he powered up would beat Piccolo handilyRandomGuy96 wrote:What's the point, then? Him being in the dozens of thousands is only very slightly less improbable than him being in the hundreds of thousands. Him having made any noticeable gain at all is. So why insist he's not?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It still doesn't place Piccolo in the hundreds of thousands, it only places him in the dozens.
For the power-up being so huge, I guess we could explain it from running through the Serpentine Road for a month, and the fact that Piccolo can train almost all day since he is dead, plus that Kaio's training gives an incredible power-up.
As for Gohan's & Kuririn's power, I don't buy that they went from over 10.000 to hundreds of thousands in a few hours. Yes, their power was rising over time, but not to that point. Besides, Kuririn is officially at 75.000 during the battle with Freeza, and Gohan is at 200.000 after his near-death power-up with Freeza.
I have no problem with him being 400,000 now. Not like it matters at all.