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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by hleV » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:51 pm

rereboy wrote:Grey Buu was meant to be the opposite of pretty much everything Good Buu is.
How is this even an argument? Any form of Boo that made it to the full color pages was colored the same. There's no indication that Pure Evil Boo should be an exception. THOSE are arguments.
rereboy wrote:Evil Buu is supposed to be a sort of fusion between Good Buu and Gray Buu
Well, Evil Boo's skin color isn't a combination of Fat and Pure Evil Boos' colors, he has the "default" color. So I have yet to see how most Boo forms have the same color and it's completely fine for a third party to give Boo another color.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:56 am

hleV wrote: How is this even an argument? Any form of Boo that made it to the full color pages was colored the same. There's no indication that Pure Evil Boo should be an exception. THOSE are arguments.
I'll just post what I've already told you:
Anyway, I'm not even saying that your opinion is not the one that has more support, I was simply saying that your comment was completely disproportionate to the situation since I didn't even see any posts saying that Gray Buu shouldn't be pink. I think everyone pretty much shared that opinion. But some people, like me, happen to think that a lighter shade of pink, one more sickly, seems to be the best decision because it keeps him pink, while still making him look even more like the opposite of good Buu, which is his whole theme.
rereboy wrote:No other Buu was designed to be, physically, the opposite of another Buu.
As you can see, I've already answered that.

Btw, I've never stated something like "the arguments that I made, THOSE are arguments... Yours, therefore, aren't even arguments". That just shows the inflexible stance that you've assumed regarding the whole issue and your unwillingness to even try to understand what I've been saying.
hleV wrote: Well, Evil Boo's skin color isn't a combination of Fat and Pure Evil Boos' colors, he has the "default" color. So I have yet to see how most Boo forms have the same color and it's completely fine for a third party to give Boo another color.
Yes. And I would still have been fine if they had actually combined the two colors to come up with a color for Super Buu. That's pretty much my whole point. I'm not denying that there's more support for Gray Buu to actually be pink rather than gray or even a lighter pink. But I'm fine with it because it fits nicely in his design theme and lighter pink is much better than actual gray because its still pink. The fact that there's not any full color image of Gray Buu by the author makes me feel even more satisfied with the decision to make him light pink. Because of these reasons, I feel that this decision is probably the best decision that they could have made.

If they had made Super Buu have a combination of those two colors, I wouldn't be as satisfied as I am with the lighter pink for Gray Buu because there's much more support for Super Buu to have the same pink of Fat Buu (I believe there are even full color images of him by the author), but I would still have been fine because it would fit with his design and what he is meant to be.

You see, I'm not that inflexible or unreasonable. I'm actually able to see the both sides of an issue and its merits and what supports it. And I won't blindly follow certain things if I see good reasons to not blindly follow it or to admit alternatives. Can you say the same? I think not...

Anyway, its pointless to continue the discussion. Its offtopic, I've already explained my opinion extensively, and I'm relatively sure that you will continue on your inflexible stance and on your unwillingness to even try to understand what I've been saying, so, what would even be the point?

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by hleV » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:21 pm

My point is that it's not right for a third party to just randomly decide the color when everything points to all Boos having the same color. I'm not gonna accept the claim that "it's fine because I think Pure Evil Boo was supposed to be the opposite of Good Boo, meaning that his color can be darker, unlike any other Boo forms, evil or not" as an argument because it's ridiculous.

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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:33 pm

Nothing has the Boos & Pure Evil Boo with the same colors officially, so they can do whatever they want, especially when the anime gave him a different color. The "all Boos are colored the same in the manga, so Pure Evil Boo must have the same color as well" is an assumption, not a fact. Is this likely the case? Maybe, but we can't know for sure.

I'm personally glad that we at least got pink for Pure Evil Boo and not gray. I would prefer it to be pink like the others, but whatever. Pure Evil Boo is a unique Boo after all, like Miss Boo from DBO, who is colored blue by Toriyama (most likely), and it's still a Boo.
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Re: Full-Color Manga: preview/reference panels for each chap

Post by Tyro » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:36 pm

Although we have confirmed that the Full Color manga is based on the kanzenban, it seems that, specifically, it's based on the first edition. Check out Jheese's comment Butta.

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Post by Cold Skin » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:48 pm

^ It seems to be primarly based on the Kanzenban: in the Saiyans arc, there's the corrected "WEL COME" sign, and the new ending to the story.
But yeah, it was already pointed out that Vegeta's battle power on that moment was from the first edition somehow.

So it's a mystery how they did it all. Since they used the corrected "WEL COME" sign and the new ending, one would think they use the lastest update to their files.
But then suddenly, we have this moment where the battle power is the uncorrected one from the previous edition...

Was that specific update printed for the Kanzenban but not saved permanently in their database? That seems unlikely given that the files given to other countries for their own translations of the Kanzenban still contain the new, corrected battle power (the translations show the updated battle power). Unless the translators actually receive physical Japanese copies to have the Japanese text, with Shueisha digitally sending only the "text-free" versions of the pages to the local publishers, making it irrelevant that the new battle power is not on their database anymore since the translators have the correct printed version in their hands anyway and therefore have the right value when submitting their translations to their local publishers.

Or do they use files from the previous edition as a base but exceptionally open the Kanzenban files when there was a change in a chapter but ended up forgetting that specific battle power change? Maybe.

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Post by rereboy » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:47 am

hleV wrote:My point is that it's not right for a third party to just randomly decide the color when everything points to all Boos having the same color. I'm not gonna accept the claim that "it's fine because I think Pure Evil Boo was supposed to be the opposite of Good Boo, meaning that his color can be darker, unlike any other Boo forms, evil or not" as an argument because it's ridiculous.
You can think whatever you want. I merely criticized the way you told other people to not even try to justify an opinion different from your own. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even have responded to you.

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Post by Tyro » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:46 am

Update: After many, many hours spent putting the chapter title pages in the correct order, crosschecking against the kanzenban that the pages were in the right order, putting separated pages back together (like Kame Sennin's first Kamehameha), numbering the images by chapter, etc, I am finally done making sure everything is in its place. Starting on Thursday, the day of my last final, I'll start uploading chapter previews beginning with the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. I'll also link you to my Reddit account where I'll be doing an equally massive project of color vs. monochrome comparisons, 1 page of my choosing per chapter for a total of 520 image comparisons. Example:

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Again, sorry for the delay. School sucks.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:54 am

Does Goten wear Black sleeves? Or anime blue?

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:20 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Does Goten wear Black sleeves? Or anime blue?
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BTW Tyro, could you post the big SS3 Goku shot if it's easy? The one when he first appeared.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by rereboy » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:07 am

Tyro wrote:Update: After many, many hours spent putting the chapter title pages in the correct order, crosschecking against the kanzenban that the pages were in the right order, putting separated pages back together (like Kame Sennin's first Kamehameha), numbering the images by chapter, etc, I am finally done making sure everything is in its place. Starting on Thursday, the day of my last final, I'll start uploading chapter previews beginning with the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. I'll also link you to my Reddit account where I'll be doing an equally massive project of color vs. monochrome comparisons, 1 page of my choosing per chapter for a total of 520 image comparisons. Example:

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Again, sorry for the delay. School sucks.
Awesome project. I'll follow it.

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Post by omegalucas » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:13 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Does Goten wear Black sleeves? Or anime blue?
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BTW Tyro, could you post the big SS3 Goku shot if it's easy? The one when he first appeared.
Vegeta's hand is skin colored... :P
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Post by Tyro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:06 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:BTW Tyro, could you post the big SS3 Goku shot if it's easy? The one when he first appeared.
As requested:

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Post by kei17 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:26 am

That panel is kind of underwhelming and generic. It should have been like this at least:

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:36 am

Thanks a lot! But wait, are his eye's blue with black inside?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Tyro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:39 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Thanks a lot! But wait, are his eye's blue with black inside?
SS3 goes back and forth between having and not having pupils. I think he has them the whole time fighting Fat Boo but has regular SS eyes fighting Pure Boo.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:40 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Thanks a lot! But wait, are his eye's blue with black inside?
I think its just blue with a darker blue in the center. It may look black due to the line indicating the pupil.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:43 am

Tyro wrote:SS3 goes back and forth between having and not having pupils. I think he has them the whole time fighting Fat Boo but has regular SS eyes fighting Pure Boo.
I was referring to the parts where he does have pupils, because they appear to be dark blue & not black in that shot. Are they like that in all the pictures with pupils?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Tyro wrote:SS3 goes back and forth between having and not having pupils. I think he has them the whole time fighting Fat Boo but has regular SS eyes fighting Pure Boo.
I was referring to the parts where he does have pupils, because they appear to be dark blue & not black in that shot. Are they like that in all the pictures with pupils?
Oh, lol. Looks like they chose to go with dark blue for the pupils. They disappear after this fight though.

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:14 pm

That's how the anime did his eyes if I'm not mistaken.
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