Herms' Guide Guide (Collection of Information Awesomeness)

[Saiga]

Or maybe you just can't match them to the Gregorian Calender? xD

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Stronger Loving Timeline says Arale was born in 745, though... So isn't that 1980, and 750 is 1985? Although May 7 1985 isn't a Wednesday... I guess we just have a typo there?

Ugh, I fucked that up myself. I looked up the date and made a typo when writing it down on the notepad...my life. xD

Anyway, it just means that the Dragon Ball version of the calender is two days ahead; our May 7th, 1985 is a Tuesday, but should be a Thursday for DB's AGE 750). Unless there are other day of the week references in other chapters that screw it up, then everything is just a mess. =P

Or maybe you just can't match them to the Gregorian Calender? xD

But we're told that it exists in Dragon Ball, it just can't be the exact same as our own...

In fact, Daizenshuu 7 says that certain parts of DB Earth do use the Gregorian calendar, which is distinctly separate from the "Age" one. This is mostly a reference to Dr. Slump, and going off of that Age 745 (the official year of Arale's creation) seems to equal 1980 A.D. In any case, the world of DB is a fantasy one unrelated to the real world, so none of these years have any relation to our idea of the present. It should be noted though that the first chapter of DB does refer to the story as taking place "long, long ago".

[Saiga]

Oh, my bad. Well then maybe... it could be Thursday according to the Age Calender and Tuesday according to the in-universe Gregorian Calender?

[B]

Ha, doing the calendar conversion leads Gohan's birthday to May 1992, so he's 20-going-on-21 during Battle of Gods. The drunk scenes are ever so appropriate!

[dbzfan7]

Hey Herms, you should add the Battle of Gods Strength checker to the list of threads here.

[Cardle grave]

Herms explain this quote for me

Broli is the first enemy to appear three times in the movies. We asked the producer Moris***a Kouzou the reason for this... "Broli was just that strong, so at the end of "Burn Up!!~"(Broly Movie , I figured he wasn't dead. At any rate, it's because he was set up as the "STRONGEST" Saiyan." If you think about Goku and Vegeta's life force, I guess you can also grasp the tenaciousness of the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli?

~Daizenshuu Book 6 ~

[hleV]

Herms explain this quote for me

Broli is the first enemy to appear three times in the movies. We asked the producer Moris***a Kouzou the reason for this... "Broli was just that strong, so at the end of "Burn Up!!~"(Broly Movie , I figured he wasn't dead. At any rate, it's because he was set up as the "STRONGEST" Saiyan." If you think about Goku and Vegeta's life force, I guess you can also grasp the tenaciousness of the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli?

~Daizenshuu Book 6 ~

Broli appeared cool to the producers so they made a total of 3 movies about him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Hey, quick question

Enma Daio
Enma Daio is judge of the dead, determining if they go to Heaven or Hell. He also approves exceptional dead people to keep their bodies and train under a Kaio, and oversees the process of reincarnation. Based on the daizenshuu god charts, Enma outranks the planetary gods but is lower on the hierarchy than the Kaio (you can also see this in the series to an extent, in the levels of politeness they use when talking to and about each other). He is a figure from Buddhism and Hinduism (where he’s known as Yama), making him the only DB god based on an actual religious figure. In the anime, there are other gods involved in life and death besides Enma, but more on that later.

This says that the Kaio's outrank Enma in the god hierarchy. However, I was under the impression that he existed separately from the Kaio's, and that his duties were unrelated to them. So would a Kaio or a Kaioshin be capable of revoking one of Enma's decisions or granting a body to a dead person without Enma's approval?

[DNA]

So would a Kaio or a Kaioshin be capable of revoking one of Enma's decisions or granting a body to a dead person without Enma's approval?

I was going to say yes since Elder Kaioshin gave his body to Goku but probably not otherwise he would have just given him life. Also Kaio could have done the same in the Saiyan Arc but he had to wait for the gang to wish him back. Furthermore, reviving people doesn't even deal with Enma's decision, all he does is decide if they go to Heaven or Hell. I'd say they can't revive people, not even Enma can.
Although if they can veto a person to Heaven or Hell is another story...

[Kamiccolo9]

So would a Kaio or a Kaioshin be capable of revoking one of Enma's decisions or granting a body to a dead person without Enma's approval?

I was going to say yes since Elder Kaioshin gave his body to Goku but probably not otherwise he would have just given him life. Also Kaio could have done the same in the Saiyan Arc but he had to wait for the gang to wish him back. Furthermore, reviving people doesn't even deal with Enma's decision, all he does is decide if they go to Heaven or Hell. I'd say they can't revive people, not even Enma can.
Although if they can veto a person to Heaven or Hell is another story...

I was thinking more of what Enma did to Vegeta in the Buu Arc by giving him his body back, not actually bringing people back to life.

[DNA]

I was thinking more of what Enma did to Vegeta in the Buu Arc by giving him his body back, not actually bringing people back to life.

Right, but again, if Kaioshins could do that, Elder Kaioshin would have done it instead of forfeiting his own life, right?

[Kamiccolo9]

I was thinking more of what Enma did to Vegeta in the Buu Arc by giving him his body back, not actually bringing people back to life.

Right, but again, if Kaioshins could do that, Elder Kaioshin would have done it instead of forfeiting his own life, right?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. This came up in the Vegetto died thread, and another forum member thought that Kaioshin, having authority over Enma, could order him to do this, while I thought that Enma was in a separate "chain of command" than the Kaios and Kaioshins, and not subject to their orders or requests.

[DNA]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. This came up in the Vegetto died thread, and another forum member thought that Kaioshin, having authority over Enma, could order him to do this, while I thought that Enma was in a separate "chain of command" than the Kaios and Kaioshins, and not subject to their orders or requests.

I believe Dragon Ball has it's own pantheon and that hierarchy doesn't work exactly like we think. Even though the Kaioshins supersede Enma, there are still cosmical rules they must adhere to, and they can't simply tell Enma to stop doing his job.

[Herms]

At the tail end of the Namek stuff when Kaio explains about how Goku and Kuririn will automatically come back to life where they died and therefore quickly die again, he says that there's nothing he can do to help because "over there" is outside of his region. Bulma expands on this a bit later, saying that Planet Namek (or rather, the space where it used to be) is outside Kaio's region. The implication being that if Namek were inside his region, he really would be able to have at least some say in how all this life/death stuff plays out. Kaio's "region" here presumably being the North Galaxy/North Area, per what we're told elsewhere; if nothing else it's pretty clear in Japanese that they're talking about some spatial area. Viz simplifies the dialogue a bit so that it's ambiguous whether Kaio's "jurisdiction" (the term they use) refers to Namek's location or the general area of life/death matters.

Enma always respectfully refers to Kaio as "Kaio-sama", whereas Kaio in turn just refers to him as "Enma", implying that Kaio's higher up on the totem poll rather than the two having different but equal jobs (though arguably this could be a holdover from Enma's days as Kaio's martial arts pupil rather than something to do with their current status). The god hierarchy charts in Daizenshuu 4 and later guides always show Enma as part of the big ladder that includes the Kaios and Kaioshins, placing him between the gods of each planet and the various Kaios. Contrast this to Beers and Whis, who in the most recent charts get placed on their own, only connected to each other and not anyone else.

[Sun-Wukong]

Hey Herms, do you have any plans of ever finishing the Bardock special dub vs. sub comparison? I thought your insights on the specific changes were really interesting.

[dbzfan7]

Should the BOG info you did be added here. Because it seems like it should join the collection of information awesomeness.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm sure he'll get to it eventually. Herms is apparently busy with his own thing right now. He hasn't posted in like a month, and for a decent chunk of time before that, it was only like every 3-4 days instead of his more frequent participation in the community.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Herms is apparently busy with his own thing right now. He hasn't posted in like a month, and for a decent chunk of time before that, it was only like every 3-4 days instead of his more frequent participation in the community.

I guess that's why he hasn't posted anything about Chozenshuu 4, while he posted all the new stuff of Chozenshuu 1 immediately.

[dbzfan7]

I miss him

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since these last years we've gotten stuff like Episode of Bardock, Battle of Gods, Dragon Ball Online, Dragon Ball Heroes, and Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, shouldn't this guide be updated at some point?