Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[Malik_DBNA]

I was someone who had a problem with it. I simply don't think it makes sense and I'm sick of all the fanfiction power ups made to prop up the humans. The power scaling of Dragon Ball left the humans massively, massively behind and a simply power up won't fix that unless it simply throws any sort of reason out the window.

The human's base power is just tiny compared to the Saiyans', so any power up made to make them competitive would need to be even greater than Super Saiyan. In which case, it'd make no sense why the Saiyans can't just learn that ability for themselves (after all Goku's shown to be more talented than them, and any technique humans can do a Saiyan logically should be able to as well) and replace Super Saiyan with the better technique. Give them anything less powerful than Super Saiyan and with their pitiful base forms, they're still useless. This gives us two-pronged problem:

1) The humans have a lower base power, so they need a better technique than Super Saiyan
2) A technique with a better technique than Super Saiyan would just be adopted by the Saiyans due to it's superiority

And they can't really catch up in base power with the Saiyans because they're too far behind, don't train as efficiently, and would just be bullshitting to have them suddenly be on par/surpass the base Saiyans through training. I know some people try to justify this by saying the series did it, but even if that were true (I only believe it is for Piccolo's gain training for the Androids) that doesn't excuse it at all. Weak moments in the original story don't justify weak moments in fanfiction, because these are things that should be avoided and for fanfiction writers that is much easier to do so - you develop at your own pace, have far more knowledge and resources available to you, and can correct things.

That's why I have a problem with it. The various ways fanfic authors come up with to boost humans often don't get beyond the two-pronged problem I outlined earlier. Given it's nature, it's obviously not easy to get around, although I've tried for my own story. This is why I'd just rather that fanfic authors just didn't try to make the humans competitive again, as done poorly it huts the integrity of the story and it's usually nothing more than fanservice. It's very unnecessary, and even then you could get that fanservice by having humans get some limelight without making them competitive in power.

Also, just to add, surpassing Freeza is both infeasible AND not enough to have them catch up. That's why it's so damn difficult to do.

All valid points, which is why that particular portion of the story is being re-written. In my original Draft, Spirit Burst could constantly be pushed to higher and higher degrees, so it was basically a Kaio-Ken with no drawback. But I re-worked it, now it just comes down to fixing that portion in the comic itself.

[Saiga]

That wasn't specifically aimed at you, by the way, but a summary of my thoughts on the manner.

[TheGmGoken]

That wasn't specifically aimed at you, by the way, but a summary of my thoughts on the manner.

Actually LostSoulzKGM did something that made Chestnut(Fanfic character) stronger than a SSJ for a short amount of time. However Saiyans can learn the attack as well. So I guess she found a way to balance it? Though to be fair her fanfic is based off of skill not just power.

[goku the krump dancer]

@Saiga

I understand that completely. Its sort of a damned if you do, damned if you dont type of thing. You get flack for not using the humans but because they were so out classed in the source material, even counting movies I think Trunks vs Tien in Movie 9 is a perfect example of just how outclassed the human fighter are, you also get flack for giving them some crazy plot boost to make them "relevant" again.

Still though, I say it doesn't matter much to me personally because I have no problem with them transgressing from formidable fighters to moral support as the story progressed but I also wouldnt mind to seeing them fight again either.

[mAcChaos]

The way around two pronged problem is to emphasize creativity, not power.

In other words, have humans specialize in techniques that do things other than just power. Like the Mafuba, or Taiyoken, or the stuff you see in Dragonball. That way they can address specific problems without it having to be just about power. "Status effect" type stuff.

Of course the Saiyans can learn it later, but it still takes time. So in whatever current arc the technique appears, the person who introduces it (Tenshinhan, etc.) would know it inside out and the rest would have to depend on him. Then when everybody learns that technique you can present a new situation and have another new technique.

[Saiga]

Yes, that can work. Although there's only so many times you could do that without it being contrived, the humans always figuring out the crucial technique to get by an obstacle would start to get suspicious and repetitive if it happened too often.

@goku the krump dancer Oh, I see what you mean now. I didn't quite get that before.

[Malik_DBNA]

I've taken a lot of things into consideration when it comes to power scaling Humans and the techniques they can use. I have some rewrites to do (possibly this weekend), and the future of human abilities will be interesting. A new spin on some old techniques without being waaay too OP

[Malik_DBNA]

I figure instead of a different thread, I'll just post Minisode Updates in this one.

[Flame Dragon]

Can't you do something like One Piece? Give the villain some sidekicks vastly weaker than him (like strong as third form Freeza or something) so other characters get a chance to shine too.
That's a way to give the Humans something to do without asspull techniques that bring them to Super Saiyan levels.

Also, Chestnut sounds such a silly name for a character! Man sounds like the name of a Gorilla!

[Kamiccolo9]

Also, Chestnut sounds such a silly name for a character! Man sounds like the name of a Gorilla!

I don't see how it's any worse than "Piccolo." Or "Trunks." Or "Gohan," for that matter.

[Malik_DBNA]

Can't you do something like One Piece? Give the villain some sidekicks vastly weaker than him (like strong as third form Freeza or something) so other characters get a chance to shine too.
That's a way to give the Humans something to do without asspull techniques that bring them to Super Saiyan levels.

Also, Chestnut sounds such a silly name for a character! Man sounds like the name of a Gorilla!

Its coming man. Rigor and Aladjinn are really the only solo villains in the entire planned series, so other people will get a shot

[Flame Dragon]

Also, Chestnut sounds such a silly name for a character! Man sounds like the name of a Gorilla!

I don't see how it's any worse than "Piccolo." Or "Trunks." Or "Gohan," for that matter.

I dunno, for some reason reminds me of Donkey Kong.
I wasn't insulting the character or fanmanga, just found the name funny btw.

[Kamiccolo9]

Also, Chestnut sounds such a silly name for a character! Man sounds like the name of a Gorilla!

I don't see how it's any worse than "Piccolo." Or "Trunks." Or "Gohan," for that matter.

I dunno, for some reason reminds me of Donkey Kong.
I wasn't insulting the character or fanmanga, just found the name funny btw.

Oh, I didn't think you were insulting him Sorry if it came across that way.
I just find it a bit odd that you find a food name funny for a series where 90% of the characters are named after food, instruments, or underwear.

[TheGmGoken]

Also, Chestnut sounds such a silly name for a character! Man sounds like the name of a Gorilla!

I don't see how it's any worse than "Piccolo." Or "Trunks." Or "Gohan," for that matter.

I dunno, for some reason reminds me of Donkey Kong.
I wasn't insulting the character or fanmanga, just found the name funny btw.

It's a fanfic on Youtube by my ex girl LostSoulzKGm. It uses video games. Chestnut is the son of Krillin. The name was created by Monkaiv2 I think. Also because Krillin is a punt on Chestnuts I think... but yea it's quite a weird name. Though so is Gohan(Rice) .

Can't you do something like One Piece? Give the villain some sidekicks vastly weaker than him (like strong as third form Freeza or something) so other characters get a chance to shine too.
That's a way to give the Humans something to do without asspull techniques that bring them to Super Saiyan levels.

NO! NO! NO! Sorry that's a bad idea. One of the few reasons I dislike One Piece. Not every character needs to shine and not every villain need WEAK sidekicks. It's a repetitive idea and very non DB like. Don't mind support character fighting weaker support villains but making them vastly weaker than the main villain is just boring.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Can't you do something like One Piece? Give the villain some sidekicks vastly weaker than him (like strong as third form Freeza or something) so other characters get a chance to shine too.
That's a way to give the Humans something to do without asspull techniques that bring them to Super Saiyan levels.

NO! NO! NO! Sorry that's a bad idea. One of the few reasons I dislike One Piece. Not every character needs to shine and not every villain need WEAK sidekicks. It's a repetitive idea and very non DB like. Don't mind support character fighting weaker support villains but making them vastly weaker than the main villain is just boring.

I disagree. This is a plus in One Piece IMO, and Dragon Ball would be even more awesome if we had stuff like that.

[TheGmGoken]

Can't you do something like One Piece? Give the villain some sidekicks vastly weaker than him (like strong as third form Freeza or something) so other characters get a chance to shine too.
That's a way to give the Humans something to do without asspull techniques that bring them to Super Saiyan levels.

NO! NO! NO! Sorry that's a bad idea. One of the few reasons I dislike One Piece. Not every character needs to shine and not every villain need WEAK sidekicks. It's a repetitive idea and very non DB like. Don't mind support character fighting weaker support villains but making them vastly weaker than the main villain is just boring.

I disagree. This is a plus in One Piece IMO, and Dragon Ball would be even more awesome if we had stuff like that.

We have to agree to disagree. Don't like the whole idea to be honest. Just really bores me. I like support villians being able to hang with the main heroes KINDA. With the support heroes having attacks that can aid the Main heroes.

[Malik_DBNA]

I think there's a little grey area in between where the characters that'll be appearing fit nicely. Don't worry

[Hellspawn28]

I hope they use Mafuba on instead Aladjinn killing him off. It would be nice to have a major villain to be steal up instead being killed off.

[Flame Dragon]

Can't you do something like One Piece? Give the villain some sidekicks vastly weaker than him (like strong as third form Freeza or something) so other characters get a chance to shine too.
That's a way to give the Humans something to do without asspull techniques that bring them to Super Saiyan levels.

NO! NO! NO! Sorry that's a bad idea. One of the few reasons I dislike One Piece. Not every character needs to shine and not every villain need WEAK sidekicks. It's a repetitive idea and very non DB like. Don't mind support character fighting weaker support villains but making them vastly weaker than the main villain is just boring.

Hey i didn't say EVERY villain needs to have sidekicks.
Of course if you always do it, it gets repetitive, but doing it once in a while can only do good.

I don't even agree that One Piece abuses this (well at least for now, still at Alabasta) because everytime i watched the anime i never felt like "Man, character X is so weak and useless" like in DBZ/Bleach/Naruto, in fact everytime an arc ended i was like
"Man, Zoro is a fuckin beast" or "Geez Usopp really was useful in this fight!".

Even if they fought sidekicks and the main villain was left for Luffy, they still were awesome fight that made me see the strenght of everyone.
Can't say i ever throught "Wow Yamcha is strong as hell!"

[Malik_DBNA]

To be fair with Yamcha, he hasn't defeated anyone major. Hell off the top of my head, the only person I remember him beating was that Invisible Guy.

But again, theres a little grey area where it works. Where the minor protagonists get the chance to shine. It'll work. Trust me.