Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Fionordequester]

Is that what happened to GogetaJr.? Burnout?

EDIT: You know, if nothing else, at least the translation has improved, as opposed to, well...this...



You heard it here folks. Vegetto is NOT, in fact, a white guy !

[omegalucas]

Darn, I was still kinda rooting for Bardock. But it'll be interesting to see who ends up almost killing Cold.

Either Son Bra or Eleim. Cold is done for, we all know Bra can kick his ass easily and if Eleim for some reason was able to beat her, Cold is gone, really.

[Skar]

I mean, which fan mangas out there are superior? Who wants to be a superhero? Definitely superior. Toyble's manga? Hmm, maybe, some stuff in there is definitely superior. What else? Dragonball Shippuden? Too early to tell, even though I enjoyed what is already available. What else? Can't think of any, even forgetting about the art. And of the ones I mentioned only Who wants to be a superhero I feel confident in saying that its definitely superior overall.

Dragon Ball AF, Dragon Ball After the Future, Dragon Ball New Age, and Dragon Ball EX are better than Dragon Ball Multiverse IMO.

I think DBM was intended for a different audience than these stories. I wouldn't say an older audience but maybe one that's looking for something they haven't seen before. These stories follow the same concept as GT which is basically recycling old ideas with a slight twist (not all of it was recycled but you can tell most of it wasn't exactly original).

-Evil Saiyans attacking the Earth
We already had the Saiyan saga then Toei gave us Turles and Broly. This is very common in fanfiction and we see it in AF, New Age, and Absalon. What were these super powerful Saiyans doing for the 60+ years since Planet Vegeta's destruction? I'm curious how they managed to stay off the radar for so long. This idea is so overused that it's become almost cliche. It's hard to find any DBZ fan sequel that doesn't include an evil Saiyan.

-RR Android/Cyborg
I think the Cell saga was enough. We got androids, humans turned into cyborgs, and a chimera created from the DNA of the strongest races. If that wasn't enough we got three more androids built by Gero's computer in the Super 13 movie. Toei decided it would be clever for Gero to built an android in hell somehow. In New Age there's a few more androids built by Gero's computer. Nothing wrong with this one either but it's also very common so not the most original.

That doesn't even include all the other killing machines not built by the RR army. Dr. Wheelo's three warriors, Hatchiyack, the weird guys from Bio-Broly, Rildo and the Sigma Force. The series had it's fair share of mad scientists.

-Tuffle or last member of a race wanting revenge on the Saiyans
Myuu had almost the same exact backstory as Raichi. Kechappu from New Age followed a similar concept. His race was almost wiped out by the Saiyans and somehow came back SSJ4 tier.

-Former villains coming back for revenge
Look how many times Frieza already did this. He came back as a cyborg, he caused trouble in Hell before the Other World tournament, and he escaped from Hell in Fusion Reborn. Toei must've killed the idea so much that they decided to open the gates of hell yet again in the Super 17 saga and have Frieza once again seek revenge. I don't mind this idea because there's a lot you could do with it. I just hope whoever seeks revenge isn't Frieza, Gero, or Broly.

-Heroes getting possessed
Sometimes you don't have a strong enough villain so you have to turn the heroes against each other. The first instance I remember was Dr. Wheelo taking control of Piccolo. Garlic Jr really took that to the next level and possessed the entire population of Earth. Babidi possessed Vegeta although he still had control over himself so it was more of a power-up. Baby was another guy who possessed the entire population of Earth. To cure them they had to use the Sacred Water which was coincidentally the same thing they used last time someone possessed everyone on Earth =P. Dragonball EX has Goku getting possessed and Aladjinn possesses Vegeta in New Age. It's funny how in every rematch between Goku and Vegeta one of them has to be possessed.

Salagir could have easily went the usual sequel route and used a few of these tropes. Honestly if he did that what would set it apart from the thousands of other fan fics and comics doing the same thing? DBM was originally only in French and English but many people volunteered to translate it into other languages. If you search "dragon ball" or "dragonball' in Google DBM shows up on the first page. How could a fan comic done by someone who isn't even Japanese rank higher on Google than some official sites from Toei and Funimation? I'm not saying DBM is perfect there are some things I don't agree with. What I'm saying is that being different does get people's attention. Depending how you rank the story being different could either make it famous or infamous =P.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm glad that Cold won. I feel like Bardock winning would be obvious given that they always make Bardock the good guy.

Impossible. This is not their job and a single page takes a lot of time. They could release a whole chapter per month, but then they would have to take a break of many months or fill many months with specials.

They could do what the Nostalgia Critic does by doing it once every two weeks. One week, we get five pages on Tuesday then another fives page a week or two later to speed things up.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

...

It's not their style that I prefer, it's the fact that DBM currently doesn't have an interesting plot. The first 13 chapters were amazing. But after that, the only thing that remained in the main story are the cool fights.

[TheGmGoken]

I mean, which fan mangas out there are superior? Who wants to be a superhero? Definitely superior. Toyble's manga? Hmm, maybe, some stuff in there is definitely superior. What else? Dragonball Shippuden? Too early to tell, even though I enjoyed what is already available. What else? Can't think of any, even forgetting about the art. And of the ones I mentioned only Who wants to be a superhero I feel confident in saying that its definitely superior overall.

Dragon Ball AF, Dragon Ball After the Future, Dragon Ball New Age, and Dragon Ball EX are better than Dragon Ball Multiverse IMO.

I think DBM was intended for a different audience than these stories. I wouldn't say an older audience but maybe one that's looking for something they haven't seen before. These stories follow the same concept as GT which is basically recycling old ideas with a slight twist (not all of it was recycled but you can tell most of it wasn't exactly original).

-Evil Saiyans attacking the Earth
We already had the Saiyan saga then Toei gave us Tullece and Broly. This is very common in fanfiction and we see it in AF, New Age, and Absalon. What were these super powerful Saiyans doing for the 60+ years since Planet Vegeta's destruction? I'm curious how they managed to stay off the radar for so long. This idea is so overused that it's become almost cliche. It's hard to find any DBZ fan sequel that doesn't include an evil Saiyan.

-RR Android/Cyborg
I think the Cell saga was enough. We got androids, humans turned into cyborgs, and a chimera created from the DNA of the strongest races. If that wasn't enough we got three more androids built by Gero's computer in the Super 13 movie. Toei decided it would be clever for Gero to built an android in hell somehow. In New Age there's a few more androids built by Gero's computer. Nothing wrong with this one either but it's also very common so not the most original.

That doesn't even include all the other killing machines not built by the RR army. Dr. Wheelo's three warriors, Hatchiyack, the weird guys from Bio-Broly, Rildo and the Sigma Force. The series had it's fair share of mad scientists.

-Tuffle or last member of a race wanting revenge on the Saiyans
Myuu had almost the same exact backstory as Raichi. Kechappu from New Age followed a similar concept. His race was almost wiped out by the Saiyans and somehow came back SSJ4 tier.

-Former villains coming back for revenge
Look how many times Freeza already did this. He came back as a cyborg, he caused trouble in Hell before the Other World tournament, and he escaped from Hell in Fusion Reborn. Toei must've killed the idea so much that they decided to open the gates of hell yet again in the Super 17 saga and have Freeza once again seek revenge. I don't mind this idea because there's a lot you could do with it. I just hope whoever seeks revenge isn't Freeza, Gero, or Broly.

-Heroes getting possessed
Sometimes you don't have a strong enough villain so you have to turn the heroes against each other. The first instance I remember was Dr. Wheelo taking control of Piccolo. Garlic Jr really took that to the next level and possessed the entire population of Earth. Babidi possessed Vegeta although he still had control over himself so it was more of a power-up. Baby was another guy who possessed the entire population of Earth. To cure them they had to use the Sacred Water which was coincidentally the same thing they used last time someone possessed everyone on Earth =P. Dragonball EX has Goku getting possessed and Aladjinn possesses Vegeta in New Age. It's funny how in every rematch between Goku and Vegeta one of them has to be possessed.

Salagir could have easily went the usual sequel route and used a few of these tropes. Honestly if he did that what would set it apart from the thousands of other fan fics and comics doing the same thing? DBM was originally only in French and English but many people volunteered to translate it into other languages. If you search "dragon ball" or "dragonball' in Google DBM shows up on the first page. How could a fan comic done by someone who isn't even Japanese rank higher on Google than some official sites from Toei and Funimation? I'm not saying DBM is perfect there are some things I don't agree with. What I'm saying is that being different does get people's attention. Depending how you rank the story being different could either make it famous or infamous =P.

I agree that's it's different but at the same time it's not different. We got many of the same thing in Multiverse that's just as unoriginal as the other fanfics. It's just differently presented since it's a Tenkaichi Budokai with special. Had it been a full out blown fanfic I THINK it would have some unoriginal. Also they might be unoriginal in terms of idea but many times have DB repeated itself and once again the way it was presented can affect it greatly. New Age is presented GREATLY.

[Malik_DBNA]

I think DBM was intended for a different audience than these stories. I wouldn't say an older audience but maybe one that's looking for something they haven't seen before. These stories follow the same concept as GT which is basically recycling old ideas with a slight twist (not all of it was recycled but you can tell most of it wasn't exactly original).

-Evil Saiyans attacking the Earth
We already had the Saiyan saga then Toei gave us Tullece and Broly. This is very common in fanfiction and we see it in AF, New Age, and Absalon. What were these super powerful Saiyans doing for the 60+ years since Planet Vegeta's destruction? I'm curious how they managed to stay off the radar for so long. This idea is so overused that it's become almost cliche. It's hard to find any DBZ fan sequel that doesn't include an evil Saiyan.

I'm not rage defending, just bringing up points that were addressed in my series What Rigor had been doing in the however-many years since Planet Vegeta's destruction till his appearance in DBNA was explained in the comic. And according to most (and I would have to agree with them), Rigor isn't exactly 'evil'

-RR Android/Cyborg
I think the Cell saga was enough. We got androids, humans turned into cyborgs, and a chimera created from the DNA of the strongest races. If that wasn't enough we got three more androids built by Gero's computer in the Super 13 movie. Toei decided it would be clever for Gero to built an android in hell somehow. In New Age there's a few more androids built by Gero's computer. Nothing wrong with this one either but it's also very common so not the most original.

Since this part of the story hasn't been written completely, there are chances for several alterations. I've tossed around the idea of replacing the Super Androids completely, or even making them in no way associated with the previous generations of Androids. But havent decided yet.

-Tuffle or last member of a race wanting revenge on the Saiyans
Myuu had almost the same exact backstory as Raichi. Kechappu from New Age followed a similar concept. His race was almost wiped out by the Saiyans and somehow came back SSJ4 tier.

This part was rewritten. While Kechappu and his subordinates ARE the last of their race, they are not there for revenge. And they have a way of going to SSJ4 tier without being naturally SSJ4 tier.

-Heroes getting possessed
Sometimes you don't have a strong enough villain so you have to turn the heroes against each other. The first instance I remember was Dr. Wheelo taking control of Piccolo. Garlic Jr really took that to the next level and possessed the entire population of Earth. Babidi possessed Vegeta although he still had control over himself so it was more of a power-up. Baby was another guy who possessed the entire population of Earth. To cure them they had to use the Sacred Water which was coincidentally the same thing they used last time someone possessed everyone on Earth =P. Dragonball EX has Goku getting possessed and Aladjinn possesses Vegeta in New Age. It's funny how in every rematch between Goku and Vegeta one of them has to be possessed.

Can't really say anything about this one. Some people are meh about Vegeta's possession in my story, but some also liked the way I did it. All I can say is that it isn't going to be like it was with Baby. Trust me on that.

[TheGmGoken]

Can't really say anything about this one. Some people are meh about Vegeta's possession in my story, but some also liked the way I did it. All I can say is that it isn't going to be like it was with Baby. Trust me on that.

Oh you can trust him alright . "Your mother?" "How bout I let you talk to your father".

By far my favorite scene in ANY fanfiction

[Malik_DBNA]

Oh you can trust him alright . "Your father?" "How bout I let you talk to your father".

By far my favorite scene in ANY fanfiction

Thanks bud!

[Hellspawn28]

Every idea is not always going to be 100% original. If you're going to rehash old ideas then people should try something new and fresh with them. In my old AF fan fiction from several years ago, had surviving Saiyans but from the original Saiyan Planet instead of Planet Vegeta since I never see any other fan fiction use the original planet.

[rereboy]

Every idea is not always going to be 100% original. If you're going to rehash old ideas then people should try something new and fresh with them. In my old AF fan fiction from several years ago, had surviving Saiyans but from the original Saiyan Planet instead of Planet Vegeta since I never see any other fan fiction use the original planet.

That's a good spin on it.

[Fionordequester]

So, rereading this manga, I have a prediction. Vegetto is NOT going to actually become evil...if anything, he'll either be possessed by Captain Ginyu, Majin Buu (who may have absorbed Captain Ginyu or someone with his powers), or, Vegetto would fake Gohan's death by making it APPEAR as though he's dead...something like that. The way I see it, I can't imagine him actually becoming evil enough to kill his own son after all.

However, if either Ginyu or Buu manage to possess him, it'll be because Vegetto did something stupid and foolish, like how he toyed with Broly.

[Saiga]

Every idea is not always going to be 100% original. If you're going to rehash old ideas then people should try something new and fresh with them. In my old AF fan fiction from several years ago, had surviving Saiyans but from the original Saiyan Planet instead of Planet Vegeta since I never see any other fan fiction use the original planet.

That was the idea I had for my own sequel story! Buuut I guess by now everyone and their dog would have done something with the original Saiyan planet. At least mine aren't evil/villains, I guess.

[dbzfan7]

Please we all know Who Wants To Be a Super Hero is the best fan comic. Unlike most Fan Mangas I can barely find anything wrong with it.

[Tzigi]

I think DBM was intended for a different audience than these stories. I wouldn't say an older audience but maybe one that's looking for something they haven't seen before. These stories follow the same concept as GT which is basically recycling old ideas with a slight twist (not all of it was recycled but you can tell most of it wasn't exactly original).

[snip]

Salagir could have easily went the usual sequel route and used a few of these tropes. Honestly if he did that what would set it apart from the thousands of other fan fics and comics doing the same thing? DBM was originally only in French and English but many people volunteered to translate it into other languages. If you search "dragon ball" or "dragonball' in Google DBM shows up on the first page. How could a fan comic done by someone who isn't even Japanese rank higher on Google than some official sites from Toei and Funimation? I'm not saying DBM is perfect there are some things I don't agree with. What I'm saying is that being different does get people's attention. Depending how you rank the story being different could either make it famous or infamous =P.

You summed up perfectly what I like about DBM and what I dislike about the others. If you replace the names of the characters in most of the other fanmangas (DBAF - both by Toyble and by Young Jiji, DBNA and DBEX) then their story would more or less be the same - nothing but rehashes of old stuff.

I also like DBM because it has one bigger plot (though arguably that's something un-dragonball-like - the other fanmangas have a more toriyama-like quality to them in the fact that their story doesn't seem to be planned much in advance) and it all connects well. I know that the writing sometimes isn't perfect (and the English translation is mostly horrible) but overall it as structured and thought out as Dragon Ball can be.

Please we all know Who Wants To Be a Super Hero is the best fan comic. Unlike most Fan Mangas I can barely find anything wrong with it.

Right There's also Wrong Time (another great fanmanga - story-driven, not fights-driven, without rehashes of old idea and a very good approximation of Toriyama's Saiyan Saga style) and Toyble's last chapter (for me that's the best ending everything DB will ever get).

[TheGmGoken]

In all honesty I think Toyable Ending is overrated. Who wants to be a SH is good.

[Zantetsuken]

That's probably gonna be a problem with a couple fans reading. People will interpret power levels and whatnot in relation to other character differently from others, thinking that "such-an'-such" should be able to beat "such-an'-such."

There certainly are things that are arguable, but Broly vs Vegetto is NOT one of them.

Broly kicks ass, sure. But Vegetto does so on a much higher level. He doesn't actually NEED to kick any asses, because he could just LOOK at someone and their ass would instantaneously explode from being exposed to Vegetto's insane, unheard-of high levels of power and raw l33t. Vegetto laughed at and didn't even feel attacks from Super Gohan Buu, who was a combination of several characters each of whom could easily kill Broly at his strongest by sneezing on him. Vegetto could make Broly soil his pants-robe-thing and punch himself in the head until he turned his own brains to soup just by glaring at him.

If Broly is one of those cool, old-school metal Tonka Trucks, then by comparison Vegetto is the NASA Crawler-Transporter. If Broly is the Geico Gecko, then Vegetto is Godzilla. If Broly is a Tie Defender, then Vegetto is the Death Star (the second one if it were finished). If Broly is Superman, then Vegetto is Goku. If Broly is a Bidoof, then Vegetto is Arceus. If Broly is a Persian Messenger, then Vegetto is the bottomless pit of death. If Broly is a small, rural, 14th-century European village, then Vegetto is the Black Plague. If Broly is Aunt May, then Vegetto is The Living Tribunal. If Broly is a Class-F shuttle craft, then Vegetto is a Borg Tactical Fusion Cube.


...Am I getting the point across?

I know this is old, but this is possibly my favorite post....ever.

[Kaboom]

"Old" is right. I can't remember the last time I used the term "l33t."

[TheGmGoken]

Hey guys lets compare Perfect Cell. Asura's , Toriyama's, and GogetaJr's. I might do this sometimes(Other should too). Sounds fun discussing which is the best drawing of a certain character.

Toriyama

Spoiler:

Ausura(Left Corner)

Spoiler:

GogetaJr:

Spoiler:

So far IMO Toriyama wins this one. Can't beat original(Nope I'm not being bias).
1st: Toriyama
2nd: Ausura
3rd: Gogeta Jr

Gogeta Jr's Cells looks Chibi like at times. Not sure why though. He drew some great characters.

[Skar]

It's not their style that I prefer, it's the fact that DBM currently doesn't have an interesting plot. The first 13 chapters were amazing. But after that, the only thing that remained in the main story are the cool fights.

Well has the plot changed since those first 13 chapters? Usually the first and second rounds weed out all the weaker contestants so there are more interesting fights later on. Salagir said that the story still has a long way to go so I think there's more to it after the tournament is over. I know that's not for everyone but to be honest a LOT of people said they would quit reading and came back after a few months. I guess that's the best of both worlds. Those who enjoy reading a few pages per week can and those who rather read an entire chapter at once can do that as well.

I agree that's it's different but at the same time it's not different. We got many of the same thing in Multiverse that's just as unoriginal as the other fanfics. It's just differently presented since it's a Tenkaichi Budokai with special. Had it been a full out blown fanfic I THINK it would have some unoriginal. Also they might be unoriginal in terms of idea but many times have DB repeated itself and once again the way it was presented can affect it greatly. New Age is presented GREATLY.

While Dragonball itself repeated some ideas there wasn't a saga that was nearly identical to a previous saga. Toriyama tried to expand the story with each saga. After Goku defeated Piccolo Jr he was the strongest on Earth at the time so Toriyama decided to bring warriors from other planets into the picture. After the Saiyan saga he didn't just go up against another tough Saiyan but the Emperor of the known universe. After Frieza was defeated Toriyama didn't say "Here's more random aliens that are way stronger than Frieza but never met him or his entire army. This tough alien has been sitting quietly on his home planet for centuries and suddenly out the blue decides to threaten the Earth." You'd be surprised how many fan fics go along with that. The newer generation of androids were built after Frieza so there wouldn't be a question of where they were during his rule. After the Cell saga Toriyama didn't have more super strong robots or jump back to some previous idea he decided to go a different route with deities and magic. Kid Buu wasn't just another tough guy attacking the Earth he was supposed to be the most dangerous monster that ever existed. Kaioshin was over 5 million years old and in that time he's never faced a more dangerous threat. It would be difficult to top that unless you go with a higher deity or another monster that was sealed before Kid Buu.

Something I find interesting is that even though Battle of Gods isn't canon to DBM I think they both follow the same logic. In a recent interview translated here Toriyama said he doesn't have any plans to continue after the movie at this time. The reason I think he had Bills mention other universes was to make it clear that there wasn't anything left in this universe after Bills and Whis. Basically they're the two absolute strongest beings in that universe so the only possibility of facing a stronger opponent would be to leave to an entirely different universe. Which is the same principle in DBM. Rather than use the same ideas that other fanfics use, leave Buu as the strongest villain in this universe and then expand the story to include other universes in order to give the heroes a challenge.

I'm not rage defending, just bringing up points that were addressed in my series What Rigor had been doing in the however-many years since Planet Vegeta's destruction till his appearance in DBNA was explained in the comic. And according to most (and I would have to agree with them), Rigor isn't exactly 'evil'

Sorry I've just seen so many evil Saiyans attack the Earth! When I was younger I didn't really mind the usual ideas but as I got older I started looking for something different. I'm still a big fan of New Age but I'm just saying that when I first read the story there was a feeling of Deja Vu a few times.

Right There's also Wrong Time (another great fanmanga - story-driven, not fights-driven, without rehashes of old idea and a very good approximation of Toriyama's Saiyan Saga style) and Toyble's last chapter (for me that's the best ending everything DB will ever get).

There was one someone shared on DBM about Vegeta being sent to Earth as a baby and then eventually Kakarotto coming to Earth in the Saiyan saga. I've always preferred alternate universes than sequels. I also liked the stories Yamcha N' Puar and Strawberry Saga. You don't see many love stories in Dragonball so I think it's a nice change of pace.