Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Fionordequester]

You don't know if that was the case though. Heck, the makers of Budokai 3 included a similar match-up, and I'm sure not all of them were fanboys.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Well, don't write a comic where something happens purely to appease your fanboyism for one character at the expense of logic, then.

To be entirely fair, there is logic for it. There's a reason given for it in the comic. Now, if you don't buy the logic given there, that's an entirely different can of worms, and one that's just as understandable to me as buying into it.

[Saiga]

You don't know if that was the case though. Heck, the makers of Budokai 3 included a similar match-up, and I'm sure not all of them were fanboys.

Yes I do, because Salagir said so.

To be entirely fair, there is logic for it. There's a reason given for it in the comic. Now, if you don't buy the logic given there, that's an entirely different can of worms, and one that's just as understandable to me as buying into it.

That's not what I mean. It's explained in-story, sure, but there's no logic to the creative decision to do so. Salagir knows Broli isn't that strong in the movies, and there's no logical reason to change that except for pure self-service. Which he admitted to.

[goku the krump dancer]

I know I'm late but DAMN! This was a pretty good page and (everyone's power logic aside) this was actually a pretty good fight too, In fact its one of the best ones since Nail vs Reacoome.

Both combatants look like they've been in a brawl but Bardock looks absolutely brutalized lying on the floor like that.

And I'm actually interested to see how this Vegeta vs Raichi fight plays out, thats one match up I wasn't expecting... too bad we wont be able to see it until mid January at the earliest though.

[xJeffx]

I hope the fight between U13 Vegeta and Raichi end up like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcRX1_TxDrA

[goku the krump dancer]

LOL, I forgot all about that.. Though I'm sure Salagir has a way for Raichi to use his Ghost Warriors without him being disqualified. I'm guessing this Vegeta is around his Cell arc level of strength from Universe 18 so he can go SSJ Grade 2 but that doesnt mean didly squat if the good Dr. can summon Hatchiyack somehow, though I imagine he might summon Hanasia instead. If I'm not mistaken she's one of his ghost warriors too and she might even be a Super Saiyan at this point.

[Fionordequester]

Yes I do, because Salagir said so.

...Oh...ok. Then yeah, that's kind of stupid ...

EDIT: On the other hand, who else would've really worked? I don't think we could really have Zen Buu, since the whole story's kind of leading up to some kind of confrontation with him and perhaps Vegetto.

[Gyt Kaliba]

To be entirely fair, there is logic for it. There's a reason given for it in the comic. Now, if you don't buy the logic given there, that's an entirely different can of worms, and one that's just as understandable to me as buying into it.

That's not what I mean. It's explained in-story, sure, but there's no logic to the creative decision to do so. Salagir knows Broli isn't that strong in the movies, and there's no logical reason to change that except for pure self-service. Which he admitted to.

Ohh, okay, you meant that more in the line of real world logic, like from a story-telling perspective. My bad then. ^_^;

[RandomGuy96]

On the new special: it's probably going to be boring. But at least it can't possibly be as bad as the Future Gohan special.

[Fionordequester]

You mean from a story perspective? Because I still thought the Bojack special was the worst overall, though I can see how you could consider Future Gohan the worst in terms of story, just for how nonsensical it all was.

[RandomGuy96]

You mean from a story perspective? Because I still thought the Bojack special was the worst overall, though I can see how you could consider Future Gohan the worst in terms of story, just for how nonsensical it all was.

At least the Bojack special could get some laughs for how derpy the art was.

[KentalSSJ6]

Regarding Broly, I can see where Random is coming from. I at first didnt mind due to the quality of the art.

Yes, Broly's power was explained, but there the explanation was literally a cop out. They flat our say his power just keeps climbing without logic. A sloppy explanation is a sloppy explanation. Now..if this were a Broly who perhaps won against Goku and company in his universe and continued about his rampage, perhaps coming across the likes of Cell and Buu and eventually becoming strong enough to defeat them, I may have bought it.

But no, Multiverse Broly just gets stronger without any logical reason. I'm sorry but thats flat out poor writing. No amount of great art quality can hide that.

[TheGmGoken]

Yes I do, because Salagir said so.

...Oh...ok. Then yeah, that's kind of stupid ...

EDIT: On the other hand, who else would've really worked? I don't think we could really have Zen Buu, since the whole story's kind of leading up to some kind of confrontation with him and perhaps Vegetto.

Pure Boo? There is no universe with Pure Boo. How about South Supreme Kai Boo?

[Skar]

I was never really a fan of Broly and I agree he shouldn't be anywhere near Vegetto. I think his only purpose was to "quench" Vegetto's thirst for a worthy opponent before he lost in the second round. The only other characters in DBM that I think could put up a fight against Vegetto are Gast and Zen Buu but Salagir probably doesn't want to waste them in the first round. I guess the only option was to either overpower an existing character or overpower an OC. Some people are calling Vegetto a Gary Stu even though he was the strongest character in the manga and has obvious flaws that didn't exist in the original so I'd bet they wouldn't be too happy about an OC reaching his level.

I would've liked to see Janemba in the tournament. With his reality warping abilities he would have been more interesting than Broly who was only a brute strength juggernaut in my opinion. In one universe he continued to absorb evil energy and eventually reached Vegetto tier or something like that. He was a little insane so I'm not sure if he would cooperate and care to join a tournament. Buu's personality changed a little with each absorption or at least he calmed down. Janemba would just grow stronger as he absorbed more negative energy but he would still be as uncontrollable as he originally was.

By the way does this thread really have the most replies on the Kanzenshuu forum =O? I would've imagined a VS thread would have been the most. Although I guess this could count as a VS thread since there were many "what-if" fights.

[rereboy]

That's not what I mean. It's explained in-story, sure, but there's no logic to the creative decision to do so. Salagir knows Broli isn't that strong in the movies, and there's no logical reason to change that except for pure self-service. Which he admitted to.

I disagree. There is logical reason to do it besides being a fanboy. By making Broly's power work in a different way than its the norm in Dragon Ball (always increasing, which we actually see a little of in movie 8, although it obviously doesn't automatically mean that he is always increasing his power in the movie-verse) he was able to take an already established villain and use him as a first opponent that makes Vegetto showcase a great deal of the power he never showed in the manga. I actually think that the whole thing was much more in service of Vegetto than in service of Broly.

Regarding Broly, I can see where Random is coming from. I at first didnt mind due to the quality of the art.

Yes, Broly's power was explained, but there the explanation was literally a cop out. They flat our say his power just keeps climbing without logic. A sloppy explanation is a sloppy explanation. Now..if this were a Broly who perhaps won against Goku and company in his universe and continued about his rampage, perhaps coming across the likes of Cell and Buu and eventually becoming strong enough to defeat them, I may have bought it.

But no, Multiverse Broly just gets stronger without any logical reason. I'm sorry but thats flat out poor writing. No amount of great art quality can hide that.

I agree that its not a very good explanation, but its not like movie 8 didn't show Broly increasing in power (just because) and him having to expel some of that power that was increasing. And also official stuff keeps using Broly and even giving him extra forms like SSJ3, which, honestly, is more silly than taking that moment in movie 8 and creating a theory around it and using it in a fan manga.

[TheGmGoken]

That's not what I mean. It's explained in-story, sure, but there's no logic to the creative decision to do so. Salagir knows Broli isn't that strong in the movies, and there's no logical reason to change that except for pure self-service. Which he admitted to.

I disagree. There is logical reason to do it besides being a fanboy. By making Broly's power work in a different way than its the norm in Dragon Ball (always increasing, which we actually see a little of in movie 8, although it obviously doesn't automatically mean that he is always increasing his power in the movie-verse) he was able to take an already established villain and use him as a first opponent that makes Vegetto showcase a great deal of the power he never showed in the manga. I actually think that the whole thing was much more in service of Vegetto than in service of Broly.

How? Broly forcing Vegetto to use SSJ3! That's service towards Broly not Vegetto. Had it been SSj2 Vegetto, SSj Vegetto, or even Base Vegetto then I can see it being service for Vegetto seeing as it was to make Vegetto have a great fight. But no Vegetto went SSj3 on FUCKING BROLY. The author is a self admit fanboy of Broly. He Broly wanked and made Broly into something he is not. We all know Vegetto had power. Everyone knows that. The fight was to get the fans reading more of DBM(Seeing as it was an awesome fight) and because The author loves Broly. It's a win-win. The logic might be flawed but even I can say that the fight brought me into the series. I know he's "bias" towards DBM but how can he say that DBM follows the manga more than GT(I posted the email during the summer. Salgir said he was BIAS towards DBM so take that to account) when he does shit like this.

[rereboy]

How? Broly forcing Vegetto to use SSJ3! That's service towards Broly not Vegetto. Had it been SSj2 Vegetto, SSj Vegetto, or even Base Vegetto then I can see it being service for Vegetto seeing as it was to make Vegetto have a great fight. But no Vegetto went SSj3 on FUCKING BROLY. The author is a self admit fanboy of Broly. He Broly wanked and made Broly into something he is not. We all know Vegetto had power. Everyone knows that. The fight was to get the fans reading more of DBM(Seeing as it was an awesome fight) and because The author loves Broly. It's a win-win. The logic might be flawed but even I can say that the fight brought me into the series. I know he's "bias" towards DBM but how can he say that DBM follows the manga more than GT(I posted the email during the summer. Salgir said he was BIAS towards DBM so take that to account) when he does shit like this.

Look, its simple, for the story point of view it would be great if we actually saw Vegetto showcasing a great deal of his unseen power right in the first fight. But how do we justify this? By making him go agaisnt one of the strongest villains right from the start like Zen Buu? No, Zen Buu is too useful as a character to use like that. Same goes for Gast and others. Broly however, as a mindless barbarian, would serve, but he is nowhere strong enough. But a Broly that has been increasing in power constantly all those years? Hmm, that could work. In fact, in movie 8, there is a scene of Broly increasing in power with no apparent reason, he even feels the need to eject some of it. So, let's make LSSJ in this fan manga as a form that is constantly increasing in power. That justifies Broly's massive power up.

Do you see now how I feel its more in the service of Vegetto than Broly? Broly is basically a plot device to make Vegetto show case his stuff. Its all about him in the end.

[TheGmGoken]

How? Broly forcing Vegetto to use SSJ3! That's service towards Broly not Vegetto. Had it been SSj2 Vegetto, SSj Vegetto, or even Base Vegetto then I can see it being service for Vegetto seeing as it was to make Vegetto have a great fight. But no Vegetto went SSj3 on FUCKING BROLY. The author is a self admit fanboy of Broly. He Broly wanked and made Broly into something he is not. We all know Vegetto had power. Everyone knows that. The fight was to get the fans reading more of DBM(Seeing as it was an awesome fight) and because The author loves Broly. It's a win-win. The logic might be flawed but even I can say that the fight brought me into the series. I know he's "bias" towards DBM but how can he say that DBM follows the manga more than GT(I posted the email during the summer. Salgir said he was BIAS towards DBM so take that to account) when he does shit like this.

Look, its simple, for the story point of view it would be great if we actually saw Vegetto showcasing a great deal of his unseen power right in the first fight. But how do we justify this? By making him go agaisnt one of the strongest villains right from the start like Zen Buu? No, Zen Buu is too useful as a character to use like that. Same goes for Gast and others. Broly however, as a mindless barbarian, would serve, but he is nowhere strong enough. But a Broly that has been increasing in power constantly all those years? Hmm, that could work. In fact, in movie 8, there is a scene of Broly increasing in power with no apparent reason, he even feels the need to eject some of it. So, let's make LSSJ in this fan manga as a form that is constantly increasing in power. That justifies Broly's massive power up.

Do you see now how it I feel its more in the service of Vegetto than Broly? Broly is basically a plot device to make Vegetto show case his stuff. Its all about him in the end.

I just said the first fight was used to bring the fans in. They could have used a different universe of Majin Boo like Pure Boo or something like that who is equally crazy. If they can throw out logic for Broly I'm sure they would have did the same for Boo. It serviced Broly more than Vegetto to be honest. We got two specials of Broly afterwards(2 wasn't needed) and many people like to bring up the Broly fight praising BROLY not Vegetto. All it showed was how much Broly is wanked in the series. It wasn't about Vegetto to be honest. Hell when Vegetto fought XXI that was about Vegetto. Broly vs Vegetto was to bring fans in and to prove Broly is one of the best.

[rereboy]

I just said the first fight was used to bring the fans in. They could have used a different universe of Majin Boo like Pure Boo or something like that who is equally crazy. If they can throw out logic for Broly I'm sure they would have did the same for Boo. It serviced Broly more than Vegetto to be honest. We got two specials of Broly afterwards(2 wasn't needed) and many people like to bring up the Broly fight praising BROLY not Vegetto. All it showed was how much Broly is wanked in the series. It wasn't about Vegetto to be honest. Hell when Vegetto fought XXI that was about Vegetto. Broly vs Vegetto was to bring fans in and to prove Broly is one of the best.

Another Buu? There's not enough Buus already in the tournament? . And, like I've already showed you, there's logic behind the choices for Broly and even the whole notion of increasing power in based in stuff from the Broly movie. You just don't want to see it because you don't like their choice.

Look, its only my opinion, you don't have to agree. . To me, its obvious that choosing Broly, a well established villain than wasn't already in the tournament, was, in the perspective of the authors, a better choice than using yet another Buu or an original character for that effect. And I tend to agree with them, even though their explanation for Broly's power up could have been better.

Broly's specials, like all specials, were about to stalling for time and to adapt his movies into DBM's notion of LSSJ and into DBM itself. It required two specials because there were two movies and it was necessary to stall for time for that long. If it wasn't specials about Broly, it would be specials about something else, Vegetto probably.

[TheGmGoken]

I just said the first fight was used to bring the fans in. They could have used a different universe of Majin Boo like Pure Boo or something like that who is equally crazy. If they can throw out logic for Broly I'm sure they would have did the same for Boo. It serviced Broly more than Vegetto to be honest. We got two specials of Broly afterwards(2 wasn't needed) and many people like to bring up the Broly fight praising BROLY not Vegetto. All it showed was how much Broly is wanked in the series. It wasn't about Vegetto to be honest. Hell when Vegetto fought XXI that was about Vegetto. Broly vs Vegetto was to bring fans in and to prove Broly is one of the best.

Another Buu? There's not enough Buus already in the tournament? . And, like I've already showed you, there's logic behind the choices for Broly and even the whole notion of increasing power in based in stuff from the Broly movie. You just don't want to see it because you don't like their choice.

Look, its only my opinion, you don't have to agree.

Broly's specials, like all specials, were about to stall for time and to adapt his movies into DBM's notion of LSSJ and into DBM itself. It required two specials because there were two movies and its necessary to stall for time for that long. If it wasn't specials about Broly, it would be specials about something else, Vegetto probably.

There is(well was) enough Saiyans in the Tenkaichi Budokai as well. Same thing could happen with ONE Boo. There is story logic as everyone already said. It was PISS POOR logic used to wank Broly. So I DO see it actually. How do you know it's based off of the movies huh? Where did he say it?

They could have used it for other universes not Broly. It's just the same thing with minor changes. I rather have other universes than someone should't have been in the story in the first place. Since this manga follows the original manga so well compared to GT.