Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

I know because its obvious. In movie 8, Broly literally states, breathing somewhat heavily, that he feels his power increasing, without any reason for his power to be increasing like that, and he even feels the need to expel some of that power. You think that is a coincidence? Nope.

There's a lot of saiyans because most of the heroes are saiyans, it makes perfect sense to have various versions of them, which is a common theme is parallel universes. And its also interesting.

Also, to have another Buu strong enough to take on Vegetto, he would have to be a Buu with lots of people absorbed. Therefore, they would have to have two versions of Zen Buu. How is that interesting?

Also, you talk about using another character, any one, forgetting logic, to take the place of Broly. Wouldn't that be as bad or even worse? Seems to me that you really are just complaining because you don't like Broly. Otherwise you wouldn't say to use any other character. So, you aren't been logical at all, sorry...

Btw, I edited my previous post to include another sentence that I had forgotten to include.

[TheGmGoken]

There's a lot of saiyans because most of the heroes are saiyans, it makes perfect sense to have various versions of them, which is a common theme is parallel universes. And its also interesting.

It's not really interesting to be honest.

Also, to have another Buu strong enough to take on Vegetto, he would have to be a Buu with lots of people absorbed. Therefore, they would have to have two versions of Zen Buu. How is that interesting?

That could just throw logic out the window as they did with Broly. You know making up rules that didn't work in the manga yet for some reason the author(Though biased) claim the manga follows the original manga better than GT.

Also, you talk about using another character, any one, forgetting logic, to take the place of Broly. Wouldn't that be as bad or even worse? Seems to me that you really are just complaining because you don't like Broly. Otherwise you wouldn't say to use any other character. So, you aren't been logical at all, sorry...

Actually I'm neutral with Broly and Hate Majin Boo . It'll make more sense than that cheap plot excuse for Broly.

I know because its obvious. In movie 8, Broly literally states, breathing somewhat heavily, that he feels his power increasing, without any reason for his power to be increasing like that, and he even feels the need to expel some of that power. You think that is a coincidence? Nope.

Quote please? Don't remember that.

To me, its obvious that choosing Broly, a well established villain than wasn't already in the tournament, was, in the perspective of the authors, a better choice than using yet another Buu or an original character for that effect. And I tend to agree with them, even though their explanation for Broly's power up could have been better.

The perspective of the author is someone who wanted the fans to be excited for the manga. Plus most fans think Broly is on par with Vegetto anyways to it's not that hard of a concept to understand for them. Since they already thought Broly was the man. Their explanation was pure shit.

[rereboy]

Ok, sorry, TheGmGoken, its nothing against you personally, but its almost impossible to have a conversation with you, you don't seem to understand much of what I'm trying to say, so I'll be concluding this discussion right here. Either way, I've explained in detail what I meant and, like I said, its only my opinion, you are free to disagree.

[Tzigi]

The author is a self admit fanboy of Broly. He Broly wanked and made Broly into something he is not. (...) The fight was to get the fans reading more of DBM(Seeing as it was an awesome fight) and because The author loves Broly. It's a win-win. The logic might be flawed but even I can say that the fight brought me into the series. I know he's "bias" towards DBM but how can he say that DBM follows the manga more than GT(I posted the email during the summer. Salgir said he was BIAS towards DBM so take that to account) when he does shit like this.

[Source] please. Kanzenshuu is a great place precisely because it tries it best not to spread rumours. And almost every time you post in this thread, you present unsourced claims from which you can then create derogatory arguments. This way you create crazy rumours that it's hard later to dispell because "it was written so on Kanzenshuu forum so it must be so.".

And now let's examine some of your points:
- The author is a self admit fanboy of Broly. (...) The author loves Broly
How do you define a fanboy? Let's, for want of a better way, check the urban dictionary:

An extreme fan or follower of a particular medium or concept, whether it be sports, television, film directors, video games (the most common usage), etc.

So Salagir has many times stated precisely the contrary of this (and yet you make it seem as though he didn't):

Spoiler:

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> Guldo : Question for Salagir , are you a Broly fan ?
That's not an easy question.

If by fan you mean fanatic, then no. I'm a fan of Piccolo. This kind of fan, which is the same as fanboyish, is created by what we saw and found cool as kids. In my case, I didn't know much about DBZ, and I saw an episode with two green guys fighting each other. And green guy #1 begins to take the energy out of green guy #2 arm!! And the other asks him his story, but at the end he's so like "fooled you" and he gets a new arm!!! And he is stronger than green guy one and he is so cool! Piccolo fan.

If by fan you mean I like the character a lot, then yes I do. In DBZ, Broly is the only tank, he is the only berserk unstoppable machine. Except he is stopped all the time. That's a good character if well used. Too much of DBZ ennemies have high intelligence. Most of Buu's forms, Cell, Freeza, even a monster-henchman like Yakon talks and thinks! It's nice to have changes like kid Buu and dumb invincible Broly.

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> Anonymous : After Salagir(..) how he percieves Brolly (..) A good thing ruined by fanboyism and favoritsm.
Indeed. The next chapter will be only about Broly and how he kicks ass. Here is a spoiler of all next titles:
- broly kills ultimate buu
- broly kills supernamek and all U18 with one hand
- broly finds out the answer to the universe, life, and everything
- broly kills the one true God
- broly shits senzus
- broly eats ice cream with is friends
- broly at the fun fair
- where is broly ?
- broly and the chamber of secrets
- Bylor, the secret twin brother of broly

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I'm not a Broly fanboy

- He Broly wanked and made Broly into something he is not.

He sure did but he was perfectly aware of the fact that he's in a way creating a different Broly than the character from the movies.

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Why is everyone afraid of Broly? As showed in the movies... this guy is less strong than a SSJ2! (no troll please)

But I decided to take the "Broly's power is constantly growing" option (which is certainly a fan invention) and make him stronger every minute, and thus, at Vegetto's level.
Why that? Because Broly is cool After all, he is the opponent of Gogeta in the Budokai 3 introduction.

- The fight was to get the fans reading more of DBM

Correct. And, as you yourself write later, it succeeded in this.

- it was an awesome fight (...) I can say that the fight brought me into the series

So the use of the Rule of Cool was appropriate in here.

- I know he's "bias" towards DBM but how can he say that DBM follows the manga more than GT

1. I think you wanted to say "biased" and "follows the manga better than GT". Following is an absolute fenomenon. You can't do it more or less.
2. This topic has already been discussed here many times but I'll try once more: GT is seen by many to be unfaithful to the spirit of Dragon Ball (BTW: if you want to know Salagir's take on why GT is bad, you can see it here- though only in French; if you don't know French then maybe Google Translate can help you) in that it puts too much emphasis on Goku, has enormously huge (and yet unfounded) powerlevels and lacks actual interesting fights. In DBM Salagir tried to present an alternative to GT that would conform better to his idea of "the spirit of Dragon Ball": there sure is a lot of interesting fights, Goku isn't stealing everyone's spotlight (some people would argue that Vegetto does but if you read through the whole of DBM at once, you don't notice him that much - tested on some people who were introduced to DBM by its 700th+ page and archive-binged it), there are some early-DB, Toriyama-style jokes. Also Salagir has tried to follow the storyline from the last chapters of the manga instead of beginning somewhere in the middle of a timeline sort of nowhere. Let's take Pan as an example:
We see Pan in the last chapters of DB as a sort of Young Goku figure (eager to train and fight, strong and smiling). In GT Pan is a bratty, unpleasant character (a trait that GTR by Kaboom was very fight in eradicating). In DBM the u18!Pan is presented as inheriting many traits from Goku. Just take a look at her first fight (pages 94 and 95): she's wielding the Nyoi-bo and she uses Jan-Ken-Pon - both of which were defining features of early-DB Goku.

I know because its obvious. In movie 8, Broly literally states, breathing somewhat heavily, that he feels his power increasing, without any reason for his power to be increasing like that, and he even feels the need to expel some of that power. You think that is a coincidence? Nope.

Quote please? Don't remember that.

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[TheGmGoken]

[Source] please. Kanzenshuu is a great place precisely because it tries it best not to spread rumours. And almost every time you post in this thread, you present unsourced claims from which you can then create derogatory arguments. This way you create crazy rumours that it's hard later to dispell because "it was written so on Kanzenshuu forum so it must be so.".

Actually 98% of the time I post about a new page and discuss it with everyone else. the other 1% is questions. The last 1% is MAYBE un sourced(Later sourced anyways) claims that is soon proven. So no it's not even CLOSE to almost everytime.

How do you define a fanboy? Let's, for want of a better way, check the urban dictionary:

Hope you know there is multiple definitions of fanboy. Some definitions don't even have me as a Goten fanboy.

So Salagir has many times stated precisely the contrary of this (and yet you make it seem as though he didn't):

That was Random not me. Also if you used a different definition then it would't be contrary.

If by fan you mean I like the character a lot, then yes I do. In DBZ, Broly is the only tank, he is the only berserk unstoppable machine. Except he is stopped all the time. That's a good character if well used. Too much of DBZ ennemies have high intelligence. Most of Buu's forms, Cell, Freeza, even a monster-henchman like Yakon talks and thinks! It's nice to have changes like kid Buu and dumb invincible Broly.

1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.

Known for a complete lack of objectivity in relation to their preferred focus. Usually argue with circular logic that they refuse to acknowledge. Arguments or debates with such are usually futile. Every flaw is spun into semi-virtues and everything else, blown to comedic, complimentary proportions.

Why is everyone afraid of Broly? As showed in the movies... this guy is less strong than a SSJ2! (no troll please)

But I decided to take the "Broly's power is constantly growing" option (which is certainly a fan invention) and make him stronger every minute, and thus, at Vegetto's level.
Why that? Because Broly is cool After all, he is the opponent of Gogeta in the Budokai 3 introduction.

Once again kinda bias. Don't ya think?

2. This topic has already been discussed here many times but I'll try once more: GT is seen by many to be unfaithful to the spirit of Dragon Ball (BTW: if you want to know Salagir's take on why GT is bad, you can see it here- though only in French; if you don't know French then maybe Google Translate can help you) in that it puts too much emphasis on Goku, has enormously huge (and yet unfounded) powerlevels and lacks actual interesting fights. In DBM Salagir tried to present an alternative to GT that would conform better to his idea of "the spirit of Dragon Ball": there sure is a lot of interesting fights, Goku isn't stealing everyone's spotlight (some people would argue that Vegetto does but if you read through the whole of DBM at once, you don't notice him that much - tested on some people who were introduced to DBM by its 700th+ page and archive-binged it), there are some early-DB, Toriyama-style jokes.

SO DBM doesn't have huge power levels. . To be fair some of the fights in GT were cool(Mostly the minor fights). DBM to be honest had only about like 6 cool fights? That's an opinion not face. DBM does NOT have Toriyama styled jokes. THe joke style is more toilet humor and not funny.

We see Pan in the last chapters of DB as a sort of Young Goku figure (eager to train and fight, strong and smiling). In GT Pan is a bratty, unpleasant character (a trait that GTR by Kaboom was very fight in eradicating). In DBM the u18!Pan is presented as inheriting many traits from Goku. Just take a look at her first fight (pages 94 and 95): she's wielding the Nyoi-bo and she uses Jan-Ken-Pon - both of which were defining features of early-DB Goku.

I agree on this. I not saying DBM is not ANYTHING like the manga.

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His chi was just continuously rising (up to that point at least) and his body can only hold so much, so he had to release the excess chi. His actual power doesn't continuously grow, unlike what some Broli wankers like to claim.

[coola]

Interesting, Vegeta probably was killed by Kuririn on Earth in this Universe, yet Dodoria and Zarbon still died, probably Nail killed them, and after that, he was killed by Ginyu Force, page look nice, but, it must be animanga, Kuririn have manga colours, but Blooma have blue hair from anime.

[TheGmGoken]

The art is looks decent pretty good. Yea it's seems more like an animaga. Not a bad thing though.

Though Nail looks...... a little to.....angry. Gohan looks like he belongs on Recess(TV show)

[Hades]

Looks alarmingly like the Universe 6 abortion of a special.

That said, Universe 19 is the only one which has an appealing background

[Marco Polo]

Some jarring issues with the proportions and perspective but a decent art style overall (for a special). I'm hopeful.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Just based on this, the art looks like it'll be decent enough. It's not a match to Toriyama's style or anything (though Dende looks pretty on-design there), but if the art looks good, then I'm fine with them doing their own take on looks.

[Flame Dragon]

You know, Broly is probably overrated a lot by casual fans, but i still think all the Broly hate on this site is a little unjustified...

[Fionordequester]

You know Gokuden, you did misquote Salagir pretty badly, so Tzigi has a point there I think.

[TheGmGoken]

You know Gokuden, you did misquote Salagir pretty badly, so Tzigi has a point there I think.

@Gokuden. When did I quote Salagir? You mean back in the summer where my mouse didn't highlight the part where it say he's bias? That was an accident. Anyways we should just move on from the conversation. Any guessing on how this chapter will turn out?

[RandomGuy96]

I'm not a Broly fanboy

I decided to take the "Broly's power is constantly growing" option (which is certainly a fan invention) and make him stronger every minute, and thus, at Vegetto's level.
Why? Because Broly is cool

Uh.... huh....

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm not a Broly fanboy

I decided to take the "Broly's power is constantly growing" option (which is certainly a fan invention) and make him stronger every minute, and thus, at Vegetto's level.
Why? Because Broly is cool

Uh.... huh....

And stuff like that is why Dragonball related fanfiction gets a bad reputation.

[RandomGuy96]

There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible. And he has two specials with a third planned. Oh, and half of the fight with Vegetto is just cutaways to the various competitors who just keep verbally stroking Broly's Legendary Super Dick by going on and on about how powerful and awesome he is.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm not a Broly fanboy

I decided to take the "Broly's power is constantly growing" option (which is certainly a fan invention) and make him stronger every minute, and thus, at Vegetto's level.
Why? Because Broly is cool

Uh.... huh....

. I don't think it's right to give someone a power up to match Vegetto's level just because the character is "cool".
I guess in my old fanfic I should re-write Goten as being on SSJ3 Vegetto's level.

[KentalSSJ6]

There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible.

Not so much invincible as much as Broly > Eventually everyone.

Its basically kill the bad guy before the clock expires, which could have worked with Broly, but Salagir made him too strong at the start. If Broly fought in a few matches and eventually got strong enough to the point where he could fight Vegito, that would be much more acceptable than Broly = Super Vegito right off the bat.

[Saiga]

No, he actually IS invincible in his Legendary Super Saiyan form. He can only be killed outside of the form, and the only guaranteed way to make him drop the form is throw him into the sun.

[RandomGuy96]

There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible.

Not so much invincible as much as Broly > Eventually everyone.

Its basically kill the bad guy before the clock expires, which could have worked with Broly, but Salagir made him too strong at the start. If Broly fought in a few matches and eventually got strong enough to the point where he could fight Vegito, that would be much more acceptable than Broly = Super Vegito right off the bat.

Wait, wasn't that a big plot point? LSS Broly is literally invincible, and can't be harmed by anything? That's why Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto's Final Dragon Whatever It Was just pushed him out of the arena, and why Salagir said that ANY injuries Broly was showing in the battle was "artistic license", right?