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RandomGuy96
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:45 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Namek Saga Vegito VS whatever villain equals or surpasses him.
Cell Saga Vegito VS whatever villain equals or surpasses him.
Namek Saga Vegetto could beat Fat Buu as a Super Saiyan.
Cell Games Super Vegetto could still beat Buuhan. At least, by my power scaling he can.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:00 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:KentalSSJ6 wrote:Namek Saga Vegito VS whatever villain equals or surpasses him.
Cell Saga Vegito VS whatever villain equals or surpasses him.
Namek Saga Vegetto could beat Fat Buu as a Super Saiyan.
Cell Games Super Vegetto could still beat Buuhan. At least, by my power scaling he can.
Besides having SSj3 Goku power. Would't Cell Games Vegetto be similar to Boo Arc Vegetto(Depending on how strong Goku and Vegeta got?)
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:00 pm
He'd be much weaker, but not many times weaker or anything.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Saiga » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:25 pm
If I'm assuming that there's a consistent scaling for potara, then I think Cell Games Super Vegetto can beat Ultimate Gohan but not Gotenks Boo. And Namek arc Super Vegetto soloes the Cell arc but is stopped by Super Saiyan 2 Goku or Majin Vegeta.
But that's just going back and making a formula based on where I placed Boo arc Vegetto, I don't have a potara formula.
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by Hellspawn28 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:22 am
Kakashi wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .
He is the one who should explain that since nothing says so. The difference mentioned is the time limit
There's no proof that Goku was stronger in Movie 13 then he was in Movie 12. To me, they seem to be pretty equal but Janemba could win 8/10.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:45 pm
Gogeta (Buu Arc) Vs. Mystic Gohan.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:48 pm
Kid Buu wrote:Gogeta (Buu Arc) Vs. Mystic Gohan.
Can Gogeta transform?
I have Gohan winning since the Gap between Gogeta and Gotenks should't be that big. If Gohan > Gotenks. Then Gohan should be able to beat Gogeta. Just not as easily. And worst case for Gohan...if they can beat him, then he can just last until they defuse.Then he beats up Goku and Vegeta. Then Chi Chi breaks Goku neck cause he hurt Gohan.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:56 pm
Yeah, Gogeta can go SS3 in this match.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:01 pm
Kid Buu wrote:Yeah, Gogeta can go SS3 in this match.
I still have Gohan winning. Just not as easily. And even if Gogeta gets the upperhand. Gohan should be able to last until they de-fuse.
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by Friezacooler » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:49 pm
Fusions in super saiyan form > Mystic Gohan. Gogeta must have had an insane boost i am unaware of to be considered above SSj 3 Gotenks, who got owned be hirudegarn. and there is a question mark at Mystic Gohan being above or equal to Gotenks ssj3, because Gotenks was holding his own against buuhan if it wasn't for the regeneration or purifying. Regarding potara ear rings Goku asked old kai will i get stronger and old kai replied ofcourse: it is even better than the fusion (english translated manga panel). meaning Vegitto indeed is stronger than Gogeta both power wise and duration unless fusion reborn really is an alternate verse.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:52 pm
Friezacooler wrote:Fusions in super saiyan form > Mystic Gohan. Gogeta must have had an insane boost i am unaware of to be considered above SSj 3 Gotenks, who got owned be hirudegarn. and there is a question mark at Mystic Gohan being above or equal to Gotenks ssj3, because Gotenks was holding his own against buuhan(It was regular Boo) if it wasn't for the regeneration or purifying. Regarding potara ear rings Goku asked old kai will i get stronger and old kai replied ofcourse: it is even better than the fusion (english translated manga panel). meaning Vegitto indeed is stronger than Gogeta both power wise and duration.
Sorry could't understand most of your post but Gohan is INDEED stronger than Gotenks.
Context: after Gotenks-absorbed Boo explains his plan
Gohan: “…Keh…So that’s how it was, huh?...However, despite prattling on so fluently, it seems your stupidity hasn’t changed. If you wanted to take 1st prize, it would have been simple enough to absorb me…!”
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:03 pm
Kid Buu wrote:Gogeta (Buu Arc) Vs. Mystic Gohan.
If Gohan was able to last 20 minutes against Buutenks, he should have no problem lasting five minutes against SS3 Gogeta, who should be of similar strength going by what we know of how Goten and Trunks compare to their fathers. Then Gogeta loses SS3 and reverts to a lower form. Then Gohan kicks his ass.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Friezacooler » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:10 pm
uumm Gotenks did better against Super Buu, than Gohan did against GotenksBuu eventhough Gohan said: "If you really wanted to absorb the strongest, you should have absorbed me", after seeing an unpowered ssj3 Gotenks. Gohan had no chance against Buutenks at all in the manga and lost same way as Gotenks did cause of picolloBuu's smarts.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:15 pm
Friezacooler wrote:uumm Gotenks did better against Super Buu, than Gohan did against GotenksBuu eventhough Gohan said: "If you really wanted to absorb the strongest, you should have absorbed me", after seeing an unpowered ssj3 Gotenks. Gohan had no chance against Buutenks at all in the manga and lost same way as Gotenks did cause of picolloBuu's smarts.
But does Gotenks Boo vs Gohan have to do with anything? Gotenks(Goten and Trunks) himself said Gohan is superior. Gotenks didn't lost cause of PiccoloBoo. Gotenks "lost" cause he defused. Piccolo Boo wasn't even....born.
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”
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by Friezacooler » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:31 pm
You talking manga or anime? cause in the manga gotenks never said gohan is superior, Gohan said: "if you wanted to absorb the strongest than you should have absorbed me" in the manga. but he did as horribly against gotenks as both got absorbed by smarts by super buu and picollobuu. Piccolo got absorbed off panel directly after gotenks in the manga.
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by TheGmGoken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:47 pm
Friezacooler wrote:You talking manga or anime? cause in the manga gotenks never said gohan is superior, Gohan said: "if you wanted to absorb the strongest than you should have absorbed me" in the manga. but he did as horribly against gotenks as both got absorbed by smarts by super buu and picollobuu. Piccolo got absorbed off panel directly after gotenks in the manga.
The manga didn't say Gotenks was superior? Dude!
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”
^ FROM THE MANGA
I'm obviously talking about the manga. I can't understand the rest of your post. What are you talking about? Is English your naive language? If not then I understand. It's hard to type in English for me as well.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:46 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Kid Buu wrote:Gogeta (Buu Arc) Vs. Mystic Gohan.
If Gohan was able to last 20 minutes against Buutenks, he should have no problem lasting five minutes against SS3 Gogeta, who should be of similar strength going by what we know of how Goten and Trunks compare to their fathers. Then Gogeta loses SS3 and reverts to a lower form. Then Gohan kicks his ass.
Did Gohan even last that long? I'm pretty sure Dende healed him at one point.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:49 pm
I said 20 minutes as a rough estimate. The full time that he lasted, with help from Dende and co, was 30 minutes. Dende, Satan, Ten, and Goku came in to cause their respective distractions near the end, but Gohan must have survived a very long time before that point. So I pegged the time at twenty. It might be more. It's definitely way more than the five minutes he'd need to outlast Gogeta at least, and even saying that Gogeta gets five minutes is being generous towards him.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Friezacooler » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:07 pm
Gohan was more hiding and trying to evade, buying time rather than fighting buutenks and still got absorbed by a lesser form when the time ran out. still Gohan indeed is stronger than Super Gotenks ssj3 as confirmed in the manga but not by much as trunks said probably and Goten and Gohan state indeed stronger. Where Gogeta ranks in this i don't know. Gogeta vs SSJ3 Gotenks
how could Goku and vegeta compete with a ssj3 gotenks
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by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:01 pm
Howzabout, Pure Buu (SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed) vs. Super Buu (SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta absorbed)
