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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:34 pm

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ABED wrote:The dub opening theme for the DBZ movies is nice sounding.
Which one? There are 2 I believe. Or do you mean both of them.
It's the instrumental by Mark Menza I think, not the techno one.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:32 am

Yeah it has a nice upbeat feel to it, captures the spirit of the show.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:32 am

ringworm128 wrote:Yeah it has a nice upbeat feel to it, captures the spirit of the show.
It certainly has an upbeat feel, though I don't know if it fits the show. However, I just like it by itself.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:14 am

You mean the one used for the Orange Bricks? I like that theme too.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:17 pm

Having just finished my rewatch of the Buu arc; I disliked both Mystic Gohan and Vegetto. I find one-sided battles dull; and it just felt like the plot was moving in circles at that point.
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Post by Insertclevername » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:23 am

Did you dislike the characters themselves or their roles in the story?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:29 am

I think Kikuchi's best days were his compositions through the start of Dragonball till up to when they completed movie 2 or 3 for DBZ. I mean, his stuff is great regardless, but his pieces through this period are just timeless.

Most of you probably disagree with that.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 90sDBZ » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:12 am

Attitudefan wrote:I think Kikuchi's best days were his compositions through the start of Dragonball till up to when they completed movie 2 or 3 for DBZ. I mean, his stuff is great regardless, but his pieces through this period are just timeless.

Most of you probably disagree with that.

Fulminate against this opinion of mine! I dare ya! :P
I kind of agree with this. His music in DB was amazing and fit perfectly. His music in Dead Zone was also good. And it had its moments in the saiyan saga. However I feel it went way downhill in movie 2 and was mediocre for the rest of the series.

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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:35 am

Insertclevername wrote:Did you dislike the characters themselves or their roles in the story?
Latter. Nothing against the characters personally; but at that point it just starts to feel like one really long battle.
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Post by Insertclevername » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:16 pm

Yeah, after knowing what's going to happen, they just feel like they're procrastinating the story.
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Post by Zephyr » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:24 pm

The battle with Freeza is almost the same way. It's all one battle, and it's essentially one sided in his favor until Goku shows up, and even then, Goku got lucky that he transformed, otherwise he would have been done for.

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Post by thatdbzguy » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:01 pm

Dragon Ball Z is just as bad as GT if we look at it objectively.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:06 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:Dragon Ball Z is just as bad as GT if we look at it objectively.
Since it's objectively can't you say the same about Dragonball? I mean that's not even unpopular. That's just...IDK being objective....

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Post by ABED » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:17 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:Dragon Ball Z is just as bad as GT if we look at it objectively.
Not true, the fight choreography alone is enough to put it over GT.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:28 pm

I'm not sold on Clinkenbeard's Gohan. Oh sure, it's a step up from the old dub, but there's a point where I was expecting Gohan to say this:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:45 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:Dragon Ball Z is just as bad as GT if we look at it objectively.
Don't be ridiculous. There's no way to look at it objectively.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:24 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:Dragon Ball Z is just as bad as GT if we look at it objectively.
I view everything I watch objectively, and I disagree. The fact that I can watch 10 episodes of DB/Z/Kai (and some times even GT) per-day after having watched/read/played the series more than once before, while I can't do the same with any other anime, and the fact that I can read more than 1 volume of the manga per-day after having watched/read/played the series more than once before. A bad series can't do this, no matter how you slice it. At least it's not a bad series for my tastes.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Looneygamemaster » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:46 pm

Because DBZ isn't really interested in creative editing, there's one point where a Toonami cut (Mr. Satan getting shot by Van Zant) actually improves the scene. Go figure.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:22 pm

Looneygamemaster wrote:Because DBZ isn't really interested in creative editing, there's one point where a Toonami cut (Mr. Satan getting shot by Van Zant) actually improves the scene. Go figure.
... Fuck creativity. A series/movie/etc is awesome just from the fact that it keeps you interested & doesn't make you want to end as quickly as possible, even if you are watching it repeatedly. When it has managed to absorb the audience, that's when you say that a series/movie is a success. For example, DBEvolution made me bored & I couldn't wait for it to end (which is around 80-90 minutes, isn't it?), which means that it was a failure. However, The Godfather lasted for 3 hours, and I never got bored or even bothered to check how much time was left, which means that it was a success.

Sure, a success can have it's flaws (and DB has plenty), but it still succeeded in absorbing me, even the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th time I watched/read it (if we count DBZ, DBKai, and the Z/Kai portion of the manga as one work, since they have more or less the same story).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:29 pm

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Attitudefan wrote:I think Kikuchi's best days were his compositions through the start of Dragonball till up to when they completed movie 2 or 3 for DBZ. I mean, his stuff is great regardless, but his pieces through this period are just timeless.

Most of you probably disagree with that.

Fulminate against this opinion of mine! I dare ya! :P
I kind of agree with this. His music in DB was amazing and fit perfectly. His music in Dead Zone was also good. And it had its moments in the saiyan saga. However I feel it went way downhill in movie 2 and was mediocre for the rest of the series.
Yeah, it just wasn't so memorable afterwards. I seem to always remember the tracks throughout Dragonball, but with Z, I don't really recall them. The music was just there.

I will say that the first three Z movies had GREAT scores that are very memorable, but only in the films respectively. I mean, the Dead Zone without Kikuchi's score just isn't the same. The eerie choir that builds up the might of Turles is unforgettable. Movie 3 also introduced the Genki Dama theme which is a staple to the series. However, these scores were misused/overused in the anime that it just becomes kind of droning noise afterwards.

None of the scores hereafter are as good as it was previously. Mediocre? No. Timeless? Not like it was before.
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