Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kaboom]

A theory of mine compiled together from a few different things.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm about to blow y'all's minds with a novel idea here. Ready?

"Pure-blooded Saiyans are a lot more physically strong and durable than humans or half-breeds at equivalent or even inferior power levels."

Let that sink in and anticipate how I might use it when I post some lists soon.

I go with that. Personally, I think that's why the Earthlings never did gravity training. I don't think they could survive it.

[RandomGuy96]

I've always wondered how physical attributes factor into these fights. For example, if Krillin and Nappa both had a power level of 10,000, would Nappa just beat the shit out of Krillin due to being 7 feet tall and made of pure muscle?

[Kamiccolo9]

I've always wondered how physical attributes factor into these fights. For example, if Krillin and Nappa both had a power level of 10,000, would Nappa just beat the shit out of Krillin due to being 7 feet tall and made of pure muscle?

I'd imagine so. Unless Krillin cut him in half or something.

[Kaboom]

I've always wondered how physical attributes factor into these fights. For example, if Krillin and Nappa both had a power level of 10,000, would Nappa just beat the shit out of Krillin due to being 7 feet tall and made of pure muscle?

Possibly. Kuririn could likewise be a lot quicker and more nimble due to his small size, and be able to jump circles around Nappa and take repeated potshots at his head. The possibilities are endless.

[Kakashi]

No, it said it was because he wasn't able to draw power from his anger AND he never trained. When taken with that other comment I posted, which rather explicitly states that his power didn't change, it probably meant "he couldn't draw power from his rage, and he hadn't been training to make up for this defect".

This is pretty much Anime wise. Gogan is said to get weaker regardless

[RandomGuy96]

Who's Gogan?

[Kakashi]

Bardock's crew battle powers

Bardock (Pre Zenkai) : 7,500
Bardock ( Post Zenkai) : 10,000
Toma : 3,000
Totapo : 2,250
Pumbkin : 2,000
Selypa : 1,800

[Kakashi]

Who's Gogan?

Gohan

[RandomGuy96]

Who's Gogan?

Gohan

He's said to get weaker due to losing his rage boost, and another entry specifies his actual base strength didn't change. Pretty cut and dry.

[Kakashi]

Who's Gogan?

Gohan

He's said to get weaker due to losing his rage boost, and another entry specifies his actual base strength didn't change. Pretty cut and dry.

His rage boost is his SSjin 2 and he is said to be weaker because he never trained as well. Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan in all forms

[RandomGuy96]

No, his SS2 isn't his rage boost. That's never stated anywhere. What is stated is that:

A. he's not as strong due to not training and not getting a rage boost

B. his actual base strength didn't change

Which just leaves us with "he lost his rage boost, and unlike the others he didn't train, so he didn't make up for this defect". I don't know how many times I have to repost this:

Daizenshuu 2 wrote:
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT
First Appears: Vol. 36-42
Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

Notice how this entry also cites his lack of training. Yet here, it says it's the reason his strength DIDN'T change, not the reason he got weaker. It goes fine with the other entry.

[Kakashi]

No, his SS2 isn't his rage boost. That's never stated anywhere. What is stated is that:

A. he's not as strong due to not training and not getting a rage boost

B. his actual base strength didn't change

Which just leaves us with "he lost his rage boost, and unlike the others he didn't train, so he didn't make up for this defect". I don't know how many times I have to repost this:

Daizenshuu 2 wrote:
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT
First Appears: Vol. 36-42
Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

Notice how this entry also cites his lack of training. Yet here, it says it's the reason his strength DIDN'T change, not the reason he got weaker. It goes fine with the other entry.

How do you know it means his base form? I guess SSjin Gohan is also lack of rage thus he is weaker because he is never mentioned

This I just a contradiction of the Daizenshuu like when it says Gohan was a SSjin 2 vs Dabura but other guide says he was a SSjin

Vegeta also said Gohan is weaker because he had not trained. Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan in all forms

[RandomGuy96]

It says his strength didn't change, yet he was functionally weaker due to not being able to draw power from rage. He only was enraged in SS2.

Too bad the Daizenshuu never says he was a SS2. It lightly implied it at one point, which is very different from outright stating it, but considering that it also didn't put the + for Vegeta's SS2 form, it probably doesn't mean much.

Vegeta never says that. Not that it'd matter if he did.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Vegeta never says that. Not that it'd matter if he did.

Vegeta said in the tournament about SS2 Gohan that he isn't as strong as he was against Cell (obviously because he wasn't enraged), and then he said that Gohan was strongest as a kid, when he was fighting Dabra. However, in the very same scene, Goku called Dabra stronger than they thought because of his magical abilities, and Vegeta gets impatient because the fight is taking too long, while SS Gohan & Dabra fought evenly without managing to hurt each other, which implies that Gohan is strong enough to beat Dabra, but because he didn't train much, his skills have gotten bad.

[ZombieVito]

Merry X-mas to all. This is the first time I have done DB power levels and will appreciate your assistance.

A BOY AND A GIRL MEET

Spoiler:

Master Roshi: 80
Master Roshi (Buffed): 120
Son Goku: 10
Son Goku (Ozaru): 100
Ox King: 40
Yamcha: 9
Krillin: 8.2
Milk: 6
Launch (Blonde Hair): 3.5
Bulma: 3
Lunch (Blue Hair): 2.8
Oolong: 2.5
Puar: 2
Unigame: 0.001
Pilaf: 2.4
Shu: 3.6
Mai: 4.8
Rabbit Gang Members: 5
Carrot Master: 6
Bear Thief: 7.5

THE 21ST TENKAICHI BUDOKAI

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 80
Son Goku (Ozaru): 800
Master Roshi: 80
Master Roshi (Buffed): 120
Nam: 74
Krillin: 70
Yamcha: 60
Giran: 45
Bacterian: 30
Ranfan: 25
Bruce Lee Impersonator: 18
Bully Of The Orin Temple (Skinny One): 15
Bully Of The Orin Temple (Fat One): 14
Kickboxer: 12
Fighter 83: 10
Fighter 97: 9.4
Fighter 40: 8.7
Fighter 69: 8

THE RED RIBBON

Spoiler:

Karin: 190
Son Goku: 80
Son Goku (Zenkai): 90
Son Goku (After Drinking Sacred Water Training): 125
Arale: 95
Android: 88
Krillin: 70
Bora: 50
Upa: 2.4
Commander Red: 4
Captain DarK: 5.4
Colonel Violet: 5.7
Red Ribbon Soldiers: 6-7
Captain Yellow: 8
Colonel Silver: 10
General White: 12
Murasaki Brothers: 30
Ninja Murasaki: 30
Buyon: 48
Major Metallitron: 60
Pirate Robot: 65
General Blue: 75
Adjutant Black: 8
Adjutant Black (Black Jacket): 96
Taopaipai: 110

URANAI BABA'S TOURNAMENT

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 125
Krillin: 70
Yamcha: 60
Upa: 2.4
Puar: 2
Uranai Baba: 1
Dracula Man: 40
Invisible Man: 50
Mummy Man: 85
The Devil: 100
Son Gohan: 125

PILAF'S RETURN

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 125
Shu: 3.6
Shu (Pilaf Machine): 40
Mai: 4.8
Mai: (Pilaf Machine): 40
Pilaf: 2.4
Pilaf (Pilaf Machine): 40
Pilaf (Fused Pilaf Machine): 80

THE 22ND TENKAICHI BUDOKAI

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 180
Tenshinhan: 180
Master Roshi: 139
Master Roshi (*Buffed): 180
Krillin: 130
Yamcha: 125
Master Tsuru: 120
Chaoz: 110
King Chappa: 90
Nam: 80
Pamput: 70
Man-Wolf: 45
Gregor: 38
Sumo Wrestler: 32
Fighter 1: 6

KING PICCOLO'S RETURN

Spoiler:

Kamisama: 300
Mister Popo: 275
Son Goku: 180
Son Goku (Zenkai): 195
Son Goku (After Drinking Ultra Divine Water): 235
Son Goku (After Drinking Ultra Divine Water, Full Power): 260
Tenshinhan: 180
Yajirobe: 157
Master Roshi: 139
Yamcha: 125
Piano: 15
Cymbal: 120
Tambourine: 150
Drum: 200
King Piccolo (Old): 210
King Piccolo (Young): 230
King Piccolo (Young, Full Power): 260

THE 23RD TENKAICHI BUDOKAI

Spoiler:

Piccolo: 320
Piccolo (Full Power): 380
Piccolo (Giant): 475
Piccolo (Gigantic): 600
Son Goku (With Weighted Clothes): 240
Son Goku (Without Weighted Clothes): 330
Son Goku (Without Weighted Clothes, Full Power): 390
Kamisama: 300
Tenshinhan: 240
Tenshinhan (Shishin no Ken, Each Clone): 60
Taopaipai: 210
Krillin: 198
Yamcha: 174
Yajirobe: 160
Chaoz: 145
Milk: 130
King Chappa: 100

[RandomGuy96]

Don't you have a problem with Ten being weaker than King Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai?

[Kamiccolo9]

@Zombie, why do you have Giant Piccolo that high? I feel that if that form gave that much of a boost, he would have used it more often.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think it should raise his power at all. It seemed like a purely physical thing.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think it should raise his power at all. It seemed like a purely physical thing.

That's what I've always assumed. I think it's just a more extreme version of his arm-stretching attack thing.