Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Any general discussion regarding fan-created works of the Dragon Ball franchise, including AMVs, fan-art, fan-fiction, etc.

Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help

User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8881
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:30 pm

Okay, so: the point of divergence in this universe is Krillin killing Vegeta. So that must mean the Saiyan who destroyed Freeza's capital, and the one who Freeza apparently had to go to his final form to defeat, is Goku.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

rereboy
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10262
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:42 pm

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:33 pm

Or Gohan.

User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8881
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:37 pm

rereboy wrote:Or Gohan.
I don't see Gohan surviving Dodoria without Vegeta being there to save him. I thought that'd be the main divergence.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:37 pm

About Hildegarn vs Cell, don't forget that Cell doesn't have to be stronger than Hildegarn, since Cell can kill Hildegarn by killing Tapion. Kuririn, who is much weaker than Hildegarn, almost succeeded in beating Tapion, so Cell, who is stronger, faster, and smarter, should be able to beat him.

Besides, this Hildegarn could be different from the Hildegarn we saw in M13, since the events of M13 happened differently in DBM, and Salagir changes the movie characters if he wants to (DBM Broli gets stronger over time unlike Anime Broli, and DBM Tapion is a regular musician who doesn't fight, unlike M13 Tapion who had an incredible ki & could use Bukujutsu).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8881
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:59 pm

This page is making me think that TFS should've kept a "Vegeta owned" count.

EDIT: Oh, and I noticed that the earlier design of Cold wasn't a fan recolor, it was his actual 'official' look, it's the picture shown in the novelization.

Image

I liked this design much better than just "Freeza, but bigger and with slightly different colored gem-like parts".
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

rereboy
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10262
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:42 pm

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:11 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
rereboy wrote:Or Gohan.
I don't see Gohan surviving Dodoria without Vegeta being there to save him. I thought that'd be the main divergence.
Gohan and Krillin fooled Dodoria on their own, without any help from Vegeta.

User avatar
TonyTheTiger
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1558
Joined: Fri May 07, 2010 1:35 pm
Location: New Jersey
Contact:

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:46 pm

I read this entire page in Abridged voices and think it's absolutely hysterical. If this were supposed to be serious I'd complain that Krillin didn't just run him through and that they were being needlessly violent. But this is just gold.

As for what happens on Namek, a lot can change. Vegeta landed on Namek shortly after the heroes did and immediately started mucking around with the remaining Namekians and Freeza's men. So his presence informs everyone's actions right from the get go. Without him there everyone may not make the same choices so the various encounters that we know of may not happen under the same circumstances.

User avatar
TheOverlyMadHatter
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 378
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:04 pm

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:16 am

I guess Nail's going to be the team's beating stick until Ginyu shows up. Is Goku really capable of the planetary-scale destruction seen in the U8 flashback? Seems more like something Vegeta would do, and he's dead. Could just be Gohan going Oozaru, but that's a little far-fetched. Sure he could give the entire Ginyu Force trouble in that form, but Final Form Freeza? Unless Vegeta was brought back somehow, though that would make even less sense.

User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8881
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:59 am

rereboy wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
rereboy wrote:Or Gohan.
I don't see Gohan surviving Dodoria without Vegeta being there to save him. I thought that'd be the main divergence.
Gohan and Krillin fooled Dodoria on their own, without any help from Vegeta.
Well, they'll still have Dodoria on them, as well as Cui and Zarbon. I don't think they're going to survive; on the other hand, does Freeza ever say anything indicating he knows any of the Gokus at the tournament?

Hopefully, once we get back to the main story, three of the four upcoming "fights" will each last one page each, like Goku vs 17. Then the actually somewhat interesting stuff can happen.
Last edited by RandomGuy96 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

User avatar
TheGmGoken
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10592
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm
Location: Capsule Corps

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:18 am

Waasn't Krillin and Gohan doing a GREAT job at hiding though? I mean besides Vegeta's ki sensing. They avoided a lot of trouble.

User avatar
coola
I Live Here
Posts: 3458
Joined: Tue May 15, 2007 7:33 am
Location: Poland

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by coola » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:13 pm

Image
It`s funny, how seemingly right decision, doomed entire universe. That`s DB logic for you i guess.
My Twitter: @kamil198811
Bulma fan
Thanks to Discotek:
Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas get DVD release in 2015

User avatar
TheGmGoken
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10592
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm
Location: Capsule Corps

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:32 pm

Why does Freeza's head looks like it's on Nappa's body :lol:

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15509
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:57 pm

It looks like they are going to die quick unless Nail tries to save them.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Vegeta's employers? They heard everything from his scouter? But didn't he went "IT'S OVER 9000 8000!!!!!!!!!!!!" and broke it to pieces?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
TheGmGoken
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10592
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm
Location: Capsule Corps

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:01 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Vegeta's employers? They heard everything from his scouter? But didn't he went "IT'S OVER 9000 8000!!!!!!!!!!!!" and broke it to pieces?
Nappa's scouter. But they should only know what Nappa and Vegeta said about going to Namek. Not what the Earthlings said

User avatar
KentalSSJ6
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6473
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:03 am
Location: Chicago, Illinois.

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:04 pm

Always nice to see Freeza being spelled correctly.

Cant listen to the old Frieza spelling without thinking of Trunk's joke from Abridged.
Deviantart (NSFW) - http://yamato012.deviantart.com/
DBSW Group Page - http://dbsw.deviantart.com/
Still the 1k Sniper - [spoiler]http://orig10.deviantart.net/6a02/f/201 ... 8npe7r.png[/spoiler]

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:05 pm

Even if it was Nappa's, the scouter was in a different place, and Vegeta never had any "employers" before inside Freeza's army, the only comrades he seemed to have were Nappa, Raditz, and the Saibaimen.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
Gyt Kaliba
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8869
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:38 am
Location: Arkansas
Contact:

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:16 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Vegeta's employers? They heard everything from his scouter? But didn't he went "IT'S OVER 9000 8000!!!!!!!!!!!!" and broke it to pieces?
Nappa's scouter. But they should only know what Nappa and Vegeta said about going to Namek. Not what the Earthlings said
That's what I was thinking to. Is it possible this is a wonky translation of sorts maybe? Either way, I'm just going with the assumption, until we see more to completely prove otherwise, that Freeza and co. still don't know about the Earthlings being there just yet, they just knew the Dragon Balls were on Namek.
AniManga Travelogue - Currently Reviewing: Dragon Ball (Z)
Twitter
Switch Friend Code: SW-0745-6427-7791 (let's play some Dragon Ball: The Breakers!)

User avatar
TonyTheTiger
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1558
Joined: Fri May 07, 2010 1:35 pm
Location: New Jersey
Contact:

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:32 pm

It's poorly phrased. It reads as if they had been expecting the Earthlings which we know can't be the case. Nevertheless, an ignorable error. I doubt it has any impact on the coming events.

I'm thinking that without Vegeta there to plunder that one village, Freeza will get all seven dragon balls much sooner. Which means he's going to find out he needs a password sooner. Which means Freeza won't have to leave the dragon balls unprotected since his men will mostly still be alive to go after the remaining Namekians. Which means there won't be an opportunity to resurrect Piccolo and Nail is probably going to wind up fighting Zarbon and Dodoria.

User avatar
Marco Polo
I Live Here
Posts: 2973
Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:44 pm

Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:56 pm

The art is pretty good.

And yeah it's mistranslated. In the French version they don't say Freeza's army "intercepted" the Earthlings, but "preceded" them, as in they got to Namek first and got the Dragon Balls first.

Post Reply