Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kakashi]

Tullece's battle power

[Kamiccolo9]

Tullece's battle power

Didn't you just ask for Tree of Might levels a couple of weeks ago? I doubt anything's changed since then.

[Kakashi]

Tullece's battle power

Didn't you just ask for Tree of Might levels a couple of weeks ago? I doubt anything's changed since then.

Then Uiru's

[Vice]

Revised power levels since I'm unhappy with my previous try.

By the Buu arc I just figured everyone pretty much hit their peak, as stated in the Cell arc, and that increases without transformations were minimal.

CELL SAGA

Goku
-Base 5,800,000
-Super Saiyan 290,000,000*
-ROSAT 72,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3,600,000,000

Gohan
-Base 1,900,000
-ROSAT 78,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3,900,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2 7,800,000,000

Cell
-Imperfect 350,000,000
-Humans Absorbed 540,000,000
-Semi-Perfect 800,000,000
-Perfect 5,300,000,000
-Ultra Perfect 8,000,000,000
-Super Perfect 7,700,000,000

Trunks
-Base 4,800,000
-Super Saiyan 240,000,000
-ROSAT 20,000,000
-Super Saiyan 1,000,000,000
-Ultra Super Saiyan 1,500,000,000
-Cell Games 50,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2,500,000,000

Vegeta
-Base 6,200,000
-Super Saiyan 310,000,000
-ROSAT 18,500,000
-Super Saiyan 925,000,000
-Ultra Super Saiyan 1,200,000,000
-Cell Games 48,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2,400,000,000

Piccolo
-Base 92,000,000
-merged w/Kami 450,000,000
-Cell Games 1,200,000,000

Krillin 300,000

Tien 400,000

Yamcha 200,000

Android 16 540,000,000

Android 17 450,000,000

Android 18 425,000,000

Android 19 29,000,000**

Android 20 57,500,000**

Mr. Satan 8

Cell Jr. 2,600,000,000

*steadily decreasing due to illness and general Super Saiyan strain
**increases via energy absorption

BUU SAGA

Goku
-Base 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3 32,000,000,000

Vegeta
-Base 66,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3,300,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2 6,600,000,000
-Majin 8,000,000,000

Gohan
-Base 52,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2,600,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2 5,200,000,000
-Mystic 520,000,000,000

Majin Buu
-Fat 15,000,000,000
-Evil 10,500,000,000
-Good 4,500,000,000
-Super 420,000,000,000
-Buutenks 821,300,000,000
-Buucolo 421,305,700,000
-Buuhan 941,305,700,000
-Buff 425,000,000,000
-Kid 30,000,000,000

Gotenks
-Base 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3 400,000,000,000

Trunks
-Base 40,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2,000,000,000

Goten
-Base 38,000,000
-Super Saiyan 1,900,000,000

Piccolo 1,300,000,000

Kaioshin 1,700,000,000

Kibitto 50,000,000

Kibitto-shin 4,200,000,000

Dabura 2,800,000,000

Yakon 45,000,000

Pui-Pui 1,000,000

Krillin 285,000

Android 18 425,000,000

Mr. Satan 8

Videl 9

Yamu 16

Spopovitch 16

Vegetto
-Base 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 50,000,000,000,000

Honestly, I just blatantly pulled Vegetto's out of my ass, but I guess that's alright with him. I don't like how weak base Gotenks is, but I just figured I had to make his Super Saiyan form work with where it's supposed to be and just go from there.

[Kakashi]

Revised power levels since I'm unhappy with my previous try.

By the Buu arc I just figured everyone pretty much hit their peak, as stated in the Cell arc, and that increases without transformations were minimal.

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Honestly, I just blatantly pulled Vegetto's out of my ass, but I guess that's alright with him. I don't like how weak base Gotenks is, but I just figured I had to make his Super Saiyan form work with where it's supposed to be and just go from there.

Wrong levels

[Vice]

Nice insight.

[Kamiccolo9]

Nice insight.

Truly makes you rethink your worldview, right?

Personally, I think you have the kids too low. I think that they should be at least stronger than 18, if not stronger than Piccolo.

[Vice]

I seem to recall that it was stated that a person of Freeza's level would be a good challenge for them in Goku and Friends so I went with that.

[Kamiccolo9]

Hmmm...I don't remember that. Maybe it's from the 2008 Special?

Regardless, I feel like they displayed enough power against 18 and when going to full strength to show that they are at least above Piccolo. As much as I hate that....Stupid brats.

But...this is the Buu Arc, so nothing really makes sense anyway. So I guess having them weaker works.

Edit: Just got that you already said it was from the special in your post. My bad.

[RandomGuy96]

I seem to recall that it was stated that a person of Freeza's level would be a good challenge for them in Goku and Friends so I went with that.

I never call Goku stating that a Freeza level opponent would be a good challenge; just that this was "perfect for kids". Besides, the base kids were the ones who fought the threat in that special, and the guy who Goku was talking to wouldn't even know of Freeza's full power. The kids are heavily implied to be stronger than Piccolo numerous times and all but outright stated to be above 18 (Goten said Trunks should hold back so he doesn't kill 18 with a casual ki blast, and 18 still considers Trunks's heavily suppressed blast to be absurdly strong and fast). I'm not sure why an anime special should enter into the equation.

Also

Krillin 300,000

Tenshinhan 400,000

Toriyama said Krillin was the stronger one.

[Kakashi]

SSjins kids >>>>>>> Android 18

[Draken]

SSjins kids >>>>>>> Android 18

Much insight. Very information.

Would you care to back that up to people who think otherwise?

[Kaboom]

Wrong levels

SSjins kids >>>>>>> Android 18

The heck are either of these posts supposed to mean?

For the millionth time, PLEASE put a little more thought and care into your posts. For one, rather than bluntly telling someone their numbers are "wrong" (which within the context of this thread wherein levels are a creative endeavor, is next to impossible), actually point out what you do or don't agree with within them. If you do think something should be different, explain why. Even then, remember that nobody's under any obligation to agree with you or change their numbers.

[Kakashi]

I use an I Phone so I am lazy to type. A suppressed ki blast scared 18 who was forced to dodge it. The kids held their own in base.

[Kakashi]

M4 Piccolo's power level. M4 Goku is 90,000 and Piccolo is weaker than him

[RandomGuy96]

You can keep spouting your opinion like it's fact, but that won't suddenly make it fact. Here are my Movie 4 levels:

Goku- 3,200,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 32,000,000
--False Super Saiyan- 96,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x100- 320,000,000
Piccolo- 2,000,000
Gohan- 1,000,000

Lord Slug-
--Old- 30,000,000
---Giant (unseen)- 75,000,000
--Young- 56,000,000
---Giant- 140,000,000
Angira- 1,600,000
Medamatcha-1,500,000
Wings- 1,400,000
Zoon- 1,200,000

As I've said before, I consider this an AU where Freeza was killed by the Genki Dama. Goku never went Super Saiyan and Freeza never went 100%.

If I did go with Movie 4 Goku = Ginyu Goku- which I don't- Goku and Slug would be here:

Lord Slug-
--Old- 500,000
---Giant (unseen)- 2,000,000
--Young- 1,500,000
---Giant- 6,000,000

Goku- 90,000
--Kaio-Ken x10- 900,000
--False Super Saiyan- 4,500,000
--Kaio-Ken x100- 9,000,000

[Kakashi]

You can keep spouting your opinion like it's fact, but that won't suddenly make it fact. Here are my Movie 4 levels:

Goku- 3,200,000
--False Super Saiyan- 96,000,000
--Kaio-Ken x100- 320,000,000
Piccolo- 2,000,000
Gohan- 1,000,000

Lord Slug-
--Old- 30,000,000
---Giant (unseen)- 75,000,000
--Young- 56,000,000
---Giant- 140,000,000
Angira- 1,600,000
Medamatcha-1,500,000
Wings- 1,400,000
Zoon- 1,200,000

As I've said before, I consider this an AU where Freeza was killed by the Genki Dama. Goku never went Super Saiyan and Freeza never went 100%.

It's not an ooibiin but fact. M4 Goku equals his Ginyu arc self as thst the time line. Those events never existed so you are wrong. You obviously clurless about the movies because I can claim M5 Goku is Androids Saga level out of ignorance and base it on nothing

[RandomGuy96]

The fuck is an "ooibiin"? And what does "as thst time line" mean?

Show me where then. I must have missed that one scene where Slug pulled out a scouter, scanned Goku, and said "your battle power is 90,000".

[Vice]

Eh. Updated Goten and Trunks.

[Kakashi]

The fuck is an "ooibiin"? And what does "as thst time line" mean?

Show me where then. I must have missed that one scene where Slug pulled out a scouter, scanned Goku, and said "your battle power is 90,000".

I guess M2 Goku being the one who fought Vegeta is an opinion. M1 Goku being the one eho fought Raditz is an opinion as well. M4 Goku is based on the one who fought Ginyu and that Goku was 90,000. The movie came out before Goku was healed. He is based on his Freeza arc in M5. My "opinion" is backed up