The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

However, my opinion is based on examples that we see on the series and the similarities between the situation with Kami and Piccolo Daimao (Kami expelling his evil side) and Good Buu and Gray Buu (Buu expelling his evil side).

There being two Good Buus just kind of falls out of the sky.

The situation with Kami and Piccolo has nothing to do with this, as they never underwent any real transformations. Your explanation about them being spiritually linked and that somehow causing Pure Buu to spawn out of nowhere doesn't make sense to me.

It doesn't really. Pure Evil Buu is physically different than Pure Buu. So Mr. Buu is different from Good Buu. It's extremely simple. If you if you add Good and Evil, you get Super. If you subtract Good from Super, then logically you'd get Evil again. We don't actually have any reason whatsoever to think Good Buu and Mr. Buu are the same; fans like to latch on to that based on their physical appearance, but no one would ever say that Good Buu and Fat Buu are the same.

[rereboy]

I was still editing my previous post.

And if you really can't see the similarities between the process of Kami expelling his evil side that turns into a being opposite to what remained in Kami, and Buu expelling his evil side that turns into a being opposite to what remained in Buu, and find much more logical that somehow there are two Good Buus since Good Buu was changed while inside the other Buu and there were things transfered from one to another (despite never having an example of this in the manga or any statement regarding such a thing) in order to explain Kid Buu, then I guess you really don't see logic like I do.

If you if you add Good and Evil, you get Super. If you subtract Good from Super, then logically you'd get Evil again. We don't actually have any reason whatsoever to think Good Buu and Mr. Buu are the same; fans like to latch on to that based on their physical appearance, but no one would ever say that Good Buu and Fat Buu are the same.

So, in other words, there's no reason at all for the two Good Buu's theory except to explain Kid Buu existing?

Like I said, at least what I said is based on existing stuff, explains more stuff than just Kid Buu's existence and answers questions that would exist whether he existed or not, and it also explains Kid Buu.

Also, damn those fans for assuming that a completely identical character wasn't changed while inside a Buu when there's nothing implying or suggesting that at all (and when other characters that were absorbed and freed didn't change).

[Hellspawn28]

SSj3 Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Bebi. Who wins this one?

[RandomGuy96]

SSj3 Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Bebi. Who wins this one?

If you go by that one anime comic, Vegetto doesn't even need SS3 to win this.

If you go by what was stated in the series, Baby doesn't even need Oozaru to win this.

[TheGmGoken]

SSj3 Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Bebi. Who wins this one?

If you go by that one anime comic, Vegetto doesn't even need SS3 to win this.

If you go by what was stated in the series, Baby doesn't even need Oozaru to win this.

What was the anime comic and what did it say?

[RandomGuy96]

It was the comic of that GT special released between the Super 17 and Baby arcs. It said that Vegetto was "perhaps even stronger than a Super Saiyan 4".

[TheGmGoken]

It was the comic of that GT special released between the Super 17 and Baby arcs. It said that Vegetto was "perhaps even stronger than a Super Saiyan 4".

I thought it was the perfect files....

[RandomGuy96]

Nope.

[Draken]

I'd much rather prefer to rank SSJ4 Goku ~ SSJ Vegetto so as to prevent bloatedly wanking GT characters.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I understood what you meant. But like it has been said, doesn't make any sense. Good Buu never changed and there's not any reason to believe he changed.

Let's see this:

Innocent Boo = Pure Boo + S. Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin
Good Boo = Innocent Boo - Pure Evil Boo
Pure Evil Boo = Pure Boo + S. Kaioshin & Dai Kaioshin influence
Evil Boo = Pure Evil Boo + Good Boo

But after Boo was removed from Evil Boo's system, we got Pure Boo instead of Pure Evil Boo (even Vegeta assumed that Evil Boo would probably revert to Pure Evil Boo). Meaning that the Kaioshin influence from inside Evil Boo was gone once Mr. Boo was removed. So we have:

Evil Boo = Pure Boo + Mr. Boo
Mr. Boo = Good Boo + S. Kaioshin & Dai Kaioshin influence

I can't think of anything else that would make sense to me.

SSj3 Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Bebi. Who wins this one?

Vegetto stomps.

[Saiga]

SSj3 Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Bebi. Who wins this one?

Vegetto gets punked hard.

[Kaboom]

I'd much rather prefer to rank SSJ4 Goku ~ SSJ Vegetto so as to prevent bloatedly wanking GT characters.

Me too, even though I don't really dabble in GT power levels at all. I'm kind of just fascinated by the Vegetto-SSJ4 comparison, and how any potential complaint about it can be explained away relatively easily. That said, if Vegetto's roughly in the same tier as SSJ4 Goku in GT, then he can possibly already beat Golden Oozaru Baby at just Super Saiyan 1. If he wants to make it easy, he can use Super Saiyan 2.

[Friezacooler]

primary source >>> secondary and other sources, Baby Vegeta solo's vegito.

[Kamiccolo9]

primary source >>> secondary and other sources, Baby Vegeta solo's vegito.

You realize that that isn't always true even in real life, right?
And what do you mean by that? What indicates that Baby Vegeta is stronger than Vegeto? I could just as easily say that direct statements from supplemental material are more reliable than vague implications in the primary material.

[Friezacooler]

GT is continuation to DBZ, BOG is not the continuation, cause BOG happens before goten and trunks are teens before the tournament. Goku obviously lost the SSJ God form as he doesn't show it after the time skip and if i recall the previous ssj god before Goku form didn't last either. However GT Goku in his base stronger than buuhan or fatbuu fused with kid buu, who was said to be getting stronger even after buuhan lost disfused with the other saiyans however Goku has fought both. and Baby vegeta is the strongest ki he has ever felt.

[Draken]

Uh huh, GT is a continuation if the anime, a side story, a spin off, not officially related to the manga.

Why would Goku show SSG at the TB? The moment he enters the form he could solo the entire tournament with a fart. You can interpret the ending of BoG as Goku completely absorbing the power of SSG into himself and no longer needs the form to access the power.

Where the fuck was base Goku > Buuhan again?

[Kamiccolo9]

GT is continuation to DBZ, BOG is not the continuation, cause BOG happens before goten and trunks are teens before the tournament. Goku obviously lost the SSJ God form as he doesn't show it after the time skip and if i recall the previous ssj god before Goku form didn't last either. However GT Goku in his base stronger than buuhan or fatbuu fused with kid buu, who was said to be getting stronger even after buuhan lost disfused with the other saiyans however Goku has fought both. and Baby vegeta is the strongest ki he has ever felt.

Goku didn't exist when Vegetto was formed. So who's to say that Goku sensed Vegetto?
Also, in Movie 12, Goku tells Janemba that he has the strongest ki he has ever felt. And right after he says that, he proceeds to take him out in one hit. So Goku is obviously not including himself in the "strongest ki he has ever felt" statement. So there are two possible explanations that work, and fit with both the statements in GT, and the statement from the supplemental material.

I'm not sure what the BoG stuff you mentioned has to do with anything though.

[RandomGuy96]

Uh huh, GT is a continuation if the anime, a side story, a spin off, not officially related to the manga.

Why would Goku show SSG at the TB? The moment he enters the form he could solo the entire tournament with a fart. You can interpret the ending of BoG as Goku completely absorbing the power of SSG into himself and no longer needs the form to access the power.

Where the fuck was base Goku > Buuhan again?

It comes from people thinking Goku's "Rildo is even stronger than Majin Buu" referred to Buuhan, rather than the actual Majin Buu (Pure) or the only Majin Buu who Goku has actually seen in over ten years (Good). Or that Pure Buu in the anime is stronger than Buuhan, which is also quite silly. I don't think that GT Goku even surpassed Super Buu until he got SS4.

[Friezacooler]

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

they know how strong while fused so baby vegeta>>>vegito.

[Draken]

How is that proof? Vegetto > Buuhan. Kid Buu < Buuhan.

Vegetto >> Kid Buu.

One blast. Does not need to know exact strength.