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by Draken » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:04 pm
Friezacooler wrote:goku the krump dancer wrote:Beerus is stronger than SSJ Vegetto sure but nothing suggest that Godku is too. For all intents and purposes SSJGod Goku and SSJ Vegetto could be even. Its pretty much up for grabs since Beerus is stronger than both of 'em anyway.
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More like nothing suggests that Birusu is stronger than Vegito, as Vegito hasn't been mentioned in BOG, but Birusu is indeed stronger than SSJ God.
Interpretation of Vegetto not being mentioned: He's too weak to even be mentioned as a possible solution to defeat Beers, so they had to try SSG.
Wait where's this interview stating Whis = 15 Beers = 10 SSG = 6 O_O
And I'm STILL not sure how Beers loses to Hirudegarn.
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by Cardle grave » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:07 pm
I think he loses to SSj2 Vegito, He would beat SSj Vegito based on Statements
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by Friezacooler » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:22 pm
Cardle grave wrote:I think he loses to SSj2 Vegito, He would beat SSj Vegito based on Statements
There is no such thing as ssj2 Vegito, and based on what statements? cause their are no statements mentioning vegito at all. and if you admit Goku knows Vegito's battle power than which clearly was stated in the manga. dragonfist remains a threat to Bills as the characters using it or used against it have as much hyped up statements similar to BOG.
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by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:27 pm
If Vegeto was as strong as SSJG Goku or Beerus then why would the Kaioshins be so scared of him? They had seen Vegeto in action, if they thought he was strong enough to stop Beerus they could have lent Goku and Vegeta the potara again.
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by Friezacooler » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:38 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:If Vegeto was as strong as SSJG Goku or Beerus then why would the Kaioshins be so scared of him? They had seen Vegeto in action, if they thought he was strong enough to stop Beerus they could have lent Goku and Vegeta the potara again.
except Goku and Vegeta destroyed the fusion ear rings, and never wanted to fuse again as it is against their saiyan pride, and they didn't want to do Fusion dance as it is against Vegeta's pride either.
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by Draken » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:47 pm
Friezacooler wrote:Polyphase Avatron wrote:If Vegeto was as strong as SSJG Goku or Beerus then why would the Kaioshins be so scared of him? They had seen Vegeto in action, if they thought he was strong enough to stop Beerus they could have lent Goku and Vegeta the potara again.
except Goku and Vegeta destroyed the fusion ear rings, and never wanted to fuse again as it is against their saiyan pride, and they didn't want to do Fusion dance as it is against Vegeta's pride either.
No, they refused to fuse against Pure Buu because it was unnecessary and so could let their pride take over. Against Super Buu, that was the ONLY thing Goku was willing to do. He wouldn't fight otherwise, it'd be suicide.
Are you trying to say Super Buu > Beers?
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:50 pm
He was willing to use the dance against Super Buu also, after Potara was no longer an option. But not Buuhan, he said Potara was the only way to stop him.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:54 pm
Kaboom wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Actually, we don't know that.
How so? "Strongest being in the history of Z" seems pretty straightforward to me. The only possible exception would be Vegetto as a Super Saiyan 2 or 3, since he never used anything higher than SSJ1. Is that what you mean? If so, I actually agree.
And there is also the whole "Beers is the strongest in the universe", "if you make him angry the Earth is doomed there is no hope", and "I never imagined such power", which makes not only Beers & Whis, but also God Goku above Super Vegetto, and maybe even a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Friezacooler » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:15 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Kaboom wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Actually, we don't know that.
How so? "Strongest being in the history of Z" seems pretty straightforward to me. The only possible exception would be Vegetto as a Super Saiyan 2 or 3, since he never used anything higher than SSJ1. Is that what you mean? If so, I actually agree.
And there is also the whole "Beers is the strongest in the universe", "if you make him angry the Earth is doomed there is no hope", and "I never imagined such power", which makes not only Beers & Whis, but also God Goku above Super Vegetto, and maybe even a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto.
all those hypes got allready debunked.
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by Draken » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:20 am
Friezacooler wrote:
all those hypes got allready debunked.
By....?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:20 am
Friezacooler wrote:all those hypes got allready debunked.
How?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Friezacooler » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:23 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Friezacooler wrote:all those hypes got allready debunked.
How?
Cause other characters have similar lines throughout the whole DB verse. And Birusu isn't the strongest in the universe either.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:26 am
Friezacooler wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Friezacooler wrote:all those hypes got allready debunked.
How?
Cause other characters have similar lines throughout the whole DB verse. And Birusu isn't the strongest in the universe either.
Kaio knew how strong Vegetto was, what boosts the Super Saiyan forms give, and the Kaioshin had 2 Potara pairs. Yet they should
never,
NEVER,
NEVER anger Beers. And when Goku saw his power as a Super Saiyan God, he said that he never imagined that such power existed, which make God Goku stronger than Super Vegetto.
And Beers was stated to be the strongest in the universe, until we learned that Whis was even stronger.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Draken » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:30 am
Friezacooler wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Friezacooler wrote:all those hypes got allready debunked.
How?
Cause other characters have similar lines throughout the whole DB verse. And Birusu isn't the strongest in the universe either.
"Oh no there's this super powerful being that is coming to blow up our planet, and the super powerful God form failed to defeat him!"
"Wait, Beers is actually weak shit, all we need to do is fuse into Vegetto, that'll kick his ass for sure! We can save the planet!"
"Nah I'll just sit here and die instead."
Is that what you're insinuating? Fusion between Goku/Vegeta, teaming up, NOTHING else was even mentioned as a PLAUSIBLE way to defeat Beers. SSG was literally their one and only choice. You're attempting to state opinions as fact with no evidence to back it up other than weak, fly-by statements that once again, have no evidence to back it up.
"already debunked"
"nope similar lines immediately discount"
Where's the evidence?
Trying to walk before knowing how to stand doesn't usually work out.
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by Friezacooler » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:55 am
Make your damn minds up, first they say non of the Z characters know Vegito's power level, than they state elder kai knows vegito's power level. and when we state goku knows Vegito's power level they state no he doesn't. however fact is potora earings aren't normal ki but magical incase you are bend on the godly ki wank lol. When Goku stated he could one blast Kid Buu if he used potara still that wouldn't stop Kid Buu from regenerating.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:01 am
Friezacooler wrote:however fact is potora earings aren't normal ki but magical incase you are bend on the godly ki wank lol.
... What? The only different type of ki is the godly ki that was introduced in BoG. Vegetto has a normal ki like everyone else.
Friezacooler wrote:When Goku stated he could one blast Kid Buu if he used potara still that wouldn't stop Kid Buu from regenerating.
Vegetto was strong enough to make Gohan Boo bleed, and Pure Boo is far weaker than Pure Boo. So, Vegetto can easily kill Pure Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Draken » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:02 am
Friezacooler wrote:Make your damn minds up, first they say non of the Z characters know Vegito's power level, than they state elder kai knows vegito's power level. and when we state goku knows Vegito's power level they state no he doesn't. however fact is potora earings aren't normal ki but magical incase you are bend on the godly ki wank lol. When Goku stated he could one blast Kid Buu if he used potara still that wouldn't stop Kid Buu from regenerating.
When Goku stated he could one shot Kid Buu if he used the Potora there is no evidence anywhere that suggests it wouldn't stop Buu from regenerating. Where the hell is your evidence? So there's magical ki now? "Godly ki wank". First time I'm hearing this in reference to a
completely legitimate concept that has been deemed a part of the Dragon Ball Universe..
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by Friezacooler » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:17 am
Vegito one blasted buuhan and Buuhan regenerated. so Kid Buu would regenerate too obviously.
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by Draken » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:20 am
Friezacooler wrote:Vegito one blasted buuhan and Buuhan regenerated. so Kid Buu would regenerate too obviously.
Why?
Buuhan, first off, is must stronger than Kid Buu.
Second off, I'm not sure if you noticed but Vegetto was NEVER trying to kill Buu. He wanted to get absorbed so he could free his sons and Piccolo.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:22 am
Friezacooler wrote:Vegito one blasted buuhan and Buuhan regenerated. so Kid Buu would regenerate too obviously.
Vegetto wasn't trying to kill Gohan Boo, he wanted to humiliate him to the point that Boo would absorb him so that he would free Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
