How did Yamcha et al beat the Ginyu Force?

[CaptainKatsura]

And if it's not a filler scene, I think that Piccolo didn't even spend much effort on training during those 6 days, more meditating than doing anything. So jumping from 1220-3500 to at least over 42.000 is silly.

Sure, that's always been how I've preferred to see it - that Piccolo wasn't really all that much stronger than he was when he died on Earth when he arrived on Namek, and that his incredible gains came solely from his merger with Nail.

That, however, is nothing more than a futile attempt of mine to imbue an inch of logic into the narrative! It almost feels like sometimes Toriyama is playing games with fans like us who try to make sense of and catalog power scalings by deliberately refusing to follow a linear pattern that adheres to any form of established in-universe logic.

But merger of a guy not that strong than Nappa (accounting for the little training he received) with Nail which makes the whole over 1.000.000 doesn't make much sense as well. Unless Piccolo was buffing himself with "invisible Kaiouken", but that's not even hypothesis since we cannot prove that.

[Blade]

And if it's not a filler scene, I think that Piccolo didn't even spend much effort on training during those 6 days, more meditating than doing anything. So jumping from 1220-3500 to at least over 42.000 is silly.

Sure, that's always been how I've preferred to see it - that Piccolo wasn't really all that much stronger than he was when he died on Earth when he arrived on Namek, and that his incredible gains came solely from his merger with Nail.

That, however, is nothing more than a futile attempt of mine to imbue an inch of logic into the narrative! It almost feels like sometimes Toriyama is playing games with fans like us who try to make sense of and catalog power scalings by deliberately refusing to follow a linear pattern that adheres to any form of established in-universe logic.

But merger of a guy not that strong than Nappa (accounting for the little training he received) with Nail which makes the whole over 1.000.000 doesn't make much sense as well. Unless Piccolo was buffing himself with "invisible Kaiouken", but that's not even hypothesis since we cannot prove that.

There isn't much said about the 'multiplier' of Namekian fusion, but if it's anything like Fusion Dance or any other form of fusion in Dragonball then the resulting power of the merged being is greater than the sum of the two involved in the merger. Plus, I think over 1,000,000 may be a little exaggerated. He was able to hold his own with Freeza's second form, but not better him.

[Mystic Buu]

I have one explanation: Big plot hole.

[Weejus]

I have one explanation: Big plot hole.

We all know that's what it is, but we're trying to find an in-universe explanation.

[Hellspawn28]

Fillers like the Humans owning the Ginyu Force is total BS and should be ignore. Fillers also had crap like Mr. Popo able to block attacks from SSj Kid Trunks and SSj Goten. If we go by that scene, Mr. Poo could beat 100% Full Power Freeza .

[Kamiccolo9]

Fillers like the Humans owning the Ginyu Force is total BS and should be ignore. Fillers also had crap like Mr. Poo able to block attacks from SSj Kid Trunks and SSj Goten. If we go by that scene, Mr. Poo could beat 100% Full Power Freeza .

Mr. Poo?

[Hellspawn28]

Oh shit, I can't I wrote that instead of Mr. Popo . The DBZ anime is broken compare to the manga since Vegeta can blow up a whole Planet with two fingers and yet that he need to power up his attack to finish off Goku.

[freezamite]

Sure, that's always been how I've preferred to see it - that Piccolo wasn't really all that much stronger than he was when he died on Earth when he arrived on Namek, and that his incredible gains came solely from his merger with Nail.

That, however, is nothing more than a futile attempt of mine to imbue an inch of logic into the narrative! It almost feels like sometimes Toriyama is playing games with fans like us who try to make sense of and catalog power scalings by deliberately refusing to follow a linear pattern that adheres to any form of established in-universe logic.

But merger of a guy not that strong than Nappa (accounting for the little training he received) with Nail which makes the whole over 1.000.000 doesn't make much sense as well. Unless Piccolo was buffing himself with "invisible Kaiouken", but that's not even hypothesis since we cannot prove that.

There isn't much said about the 'multiplier' of Namekian fusion, but if it's anything like Fusion Dance or any other form of fusion in Dragonball then the resulting power of the merged being is greater than the sum of the two involved in the merger. Plus, I think over 1,000,000 may be a little exaggerated. He was able to hold his own with Freeza's second form, but not better him.

He was clearly painted as being superior even if we never saw it directly. That being said, I think you're forgetting the most important factor here:
Piccolo wasn't your random Namekian warrior.

In fact, Nameks are much stronger than Saiyan, and Piccolo was a super-Namek before he separated from his other half. Neil being a warrior allowed him to nearly re-complete himself, this is why the increase in strength is so big.
If Nail had been the base of the fusion, at best you would end with a 50.000 - 60.000 fighter at best.