I posted it to see if anyone was interested since Sci-Fi Japan is a good site for info on Japanese movies and shows.SaiyaJedi wrote:Yes, that is indeed a link to that page. And it's relevant because...?Hellspawn28 wrote:Sci-Fi Japan release production notes on BOG.
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Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"
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There's two SSj legends. The one that everyone knows about and the one that Freeza's family knows about. In the manga, the Saiyans don't arrive on Planet Plant for another 200 years. Bardock most likely died from old age by then or somehow went back to his time later on.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
I guess you mean legends? And we don't know if there are two Super Saiyan legends.Hellspawn28 wrote:There's two SSj levels. The one that everyone knows about and the one that Freeza's family knows about.
EoB was covered in Chozenshuu #1 (a manga-only guidebook), and it it's also part of the official timeline of the anime in Chozenshuu #4. It's not a mere what-if.SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I wish people would stop treating that special as canon because it won't work. Bardock cant be the direct legend or it will just create a new plothole and paradox. Its already established that time travel cant undo events that already happened and considering how weak bardock was to even achieve the form is just.... uragh....
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
Edit: Its a shame because I can only see it as a problem to associate Bardock being the canon legendary character while it doesnt fit with the continuity at all, nor does it make sense of in itself. I don 't think the author knew as much about Dragonball as she thought she did for this idea to sit well. If its already established with Trunks that you cant undo situations in the past then how does Bardock? He has to be in a different time line and even if he is, his actions have no relevants on the canon story. It was more pointless than entertaining for me. Though Chilled can be canon at most.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I guess you mean legends? And we don't know if there are two Super Saiyan legends.Hellspawn28 wrote:There's two SSj levels. The one that everyone knows about and the one that Freeza's family knows about.
EoB was covered in Chozenshuu #1 (a manga-only guidebook), and it's also part of the official timeline of the anime in Chozenshuu #4. It's not a mere what-if.SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I wish people would stop treating that special as canon because it won't work. Bardock cant be the direct legend or it will just create a new plothole and paradox. Its already established that time travel cant undo events that already happened and considering how weak bardock was to even achieve the form is just.... uragh....
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Who said Bardock was the Legendary Super Saiyan?
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
The way how I view it, Episode of Bardock is canon to the manga and not the anime given that Planet Plant have two different beings living on the Planet. Also due to the time travel nonsense, Bardock end up making a new timeline.
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Chilled said to his soldiers to say to his clan that they should be careful of Saiyans that turn golden, and the narrator wonders if this is how the legend of the Super Saiyan was born. It's heavily implied that Bardock is the first Super Saiyan.B wrote:Who said Bardock was the Legendary Super Saiyan?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
First of all, how did Bardock travel in time?? Being hit by Frieza's attack doesn't explain anything, he should have a died. Why was he sent back in time?
That's a major plothole.
That's a major plothole.
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Bardock wasn't hit by Freeza's ki blast in the manga version of EoB. Time-traveling through a big explosion happens all the time in fiction, with the explosion creating a wormhole. Bardock just got lucky.JeffJarrett wrote:First of all, how did Bardock travel in time?? Being hit by Freeza's attack doesn't explain anything, he should have a died. Why was he sent back in time?
That's a major plothole.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
Right, but that isn't the same as undisputed fact. And if you subscribe to the theory that Bardock traveling back in time creates a new timeline, than nothing that happens in EoB has any effect on the main story anyway.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Chilled said to his soldiers to say to his clan that they should be careful of Saiyans that turn golden, and the narrator wonders if this is how the legend of the Super Saiyan was born. It's heavily implied that Bardock is the first Super Saiyan.B wrote:Who said Bardock was the Legendary Super Saiyan?
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Well, since it's heavily implied that Bardock is the first Super Saiyan of the legend, and since what we see in EoB contradicts what we see in the manga & the anime (Bardock has destroyed armor against Freeza, and he dies), I personally believe that the timeline where Bardock was send in the past was a different one, and Bardock was sent 1000 years back, creating the timeline where the manga/anime takes place, in which Bardock dies against Freeza.B wrote:Right, but that isn't the same as undisputed fact. And if you subscribe to the theory that Bardock traveling back in time creates a new timeline, than nothing that happens in EoB has any effect on the main story anyway.
So, I guess it would go like this:
- Timeline A - Freeza kills the Saiyans because he is afraid that they would team up, the Super Saiyan legend doesn't exist, Bardock is accidentally send back to the past (unseen).
- Timeline B - Bardock from Timeline A arrives here, turns Super Saiyan, creates the Super Saiyan legend. 1000 years later, Freeza hears of the Super Saiyan legend, kills the Saiyans, and Bardock is accidentally send back to the past (EoB prologue).
- Timeline C - Bardock from Timeline B arrives here, turns Super Saiyan, creates the Super Saiyan legend. 1000 years later, Freeza hears of the Super Saiyan legend, and kills the Saiyans, along with Bardock. (manga/anime).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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How would Bardock A/B live long enough to reach the end of Timeline B/C?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, since it's heavily implied that Bardock is the first Super Saiyan of the legend, and since what we see in EoB contradicts what we see in the manga & the anime (Bardock has destroyed armor against Freeza, and he dies), I personally believe that the timeline where Bardock was send in the past was a different one, and Bardock was sent 1000 years back, creating the timeline where the manga/anime takes place, in which Bardock dies against Freeza.B wrote:Right, but that isn't the same as undisputed fact. And if you subscribe to the theory that Bardock traveling back in time creates a new timeline, than nothing that happens in EoB has any effect on the main story anyway.
So, I guess it would go like this:
- Timeline A - Freeza kills the Saiyans because he is afraid that they would team up, the Super Saiyan legend doesn't exist, Bardock is accidentally send back to the past (unseen).
- Timeline B - Bardock from Timeline A arrives here, turns Super Saiyan, creates the Super Saiyan legend. 1000 years later, Freeza hears of the Super Saiyan legend, kills the Saiyans, and Bardock is accidentally send back to the past (EoB prologue).
- Timeline C - Bardock from Timeline B arrives here, turns Super Saiyan, creates the Super Saiyan legend. 1000 years later, Freeza hears of the Super Saiyan legend, and kills the Saiyans, along with Bardock. (manga/anime).
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That's obviously not the same Bardock. Bardock A died in Timeline B, and then 1000 years later Bardock B was born. Then Bardock B died in Timeline C, and then 1000 years later Bardock C was born, and died against Freeza.Weejus wrote:How would Bardock A/B live long enough to reach the end of Timeline B/C?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
AnyOne from the UK purchase any BoG home release?
Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods
Got the limited edition Blu-Ray from Amazon JP. It arrived about a day or two after the official release date. No issues at all.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:AnyOne from the UK purchase any BoG home release?
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Ahh. So, does that mean the Blu-Ray is 100% region free, then?AjayLikesGaming wrote:Got the limited edition Blu-Ray from Amazon JP. It arrived about a day or two after the official release date. No issues at all.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:AnyOne from the UK purchase any BoG home release?
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Either AB or region free, yup. No issues in multiple UK players/drives.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Ahh. So, does that mean the Blu-Ray is 100% region free, then?AjayLikesGaming wrote:Got the limited edition Blu-Ray from Amazon JP. It arrived about a day or two after the official release date. No issues at all.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:AnyOne from the UK purchase any BoG home release?
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Awesome! Appreciate the info!AjayLikesGaming wrote: Either AB or region free, yup. No issues in multiple UK players/drives.
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Wowzers, the 2013 Toriko movie received a better director and more battle scene animators. I don't think Oonishi did any action cuts for Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods. "First Dragon Ball movie in seventeen years what?"
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