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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" Coming To Blu-ray (Updated 12/31

Post by cRookie_Monster » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:44 pm

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dbboxkaifan wrote:One thing that they really should have improved was the English Dub With US Music audio track to 5.1 than 2.0 only.

I'm not a fan of Falconer's score but it has some really catchy tunes here and there so it's unfortunately it's 2.0 only.
I wonder if Funi decided to put it to 5.1. Or if the fact that the Japanese music is mono made it so they could put it to 5.1 surround. I def rather have Falconer's music in 5.1.
They could do the thing where you duplicate the stereo music in the surrounds, but that's all it would be. We only delivered stereo. They'd have to go back to Faulconer Productions Music to get true 5.1 music mixes. They'd have to load all the old sessions up, update the sessions to the software format...then remix to 5.1 The new mixes would then have to be re-edited into the shows.

It would be a major job to do properly and Funi and Faulconer's relationship is toast. Realistically the best you could hope for would probably be the surround duplicate method.
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Post by qjz123 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:47 am

Here's a video comparing the level sets, dragon boxes, and the blu ray season sets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEvLIkDBlk
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Post by eledoremassis02 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:03 am

Although I'm partial on these new blu rays, i'm loving these comparisons

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Post by dprez » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:35 am

I like that comparison. Makes these new blu-rays look way too bright and cropped, like they are... The green sky and pink skin tone on the Dragon Boxes doesn't bother me at all, but after seeing the level set I see why so many people consider them a superior release in terms of video quality. Yea FUNi, I don't know what you were thinking releasing the level sets alongside Kai and the just finished Dragon Box release. Now we get this mess. I love my DBoxes so I'm ok, but this is only a little better than the season sets, and that is sad.

It's really weird how FUNi treats DBZ.

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Post by LordCrumb » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:51 am

qjz123 wrote:Here's a video comparing the level sets, dragon boxes, and the blu ray season sets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEvLIkDBlk
Damn. Clips like that always reminds me that the animation of DBZ was the best during the Saiyan saga.

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Post by final_flash » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:56 am

qjz123 wrote:Here's a video comparing the level sets, dragon boxes, and the blu ray season sets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEvLIkDBlk
After watching the video i noticed that the level sets have the best color. The BD season sets have the most contrast (vivid) colors. Look how the skin tone colors look unnatural and over saturated. Also the picture looks flat, like some kind of flash cartoon. :sick:

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Just realized the facial expressions they're making. That's one thing that makes DBZ so great :x lol
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Post by Big Momma » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:09 am

Man those level sets look great (And really brings out the "pink tint" on the DBoxes).


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Post by sangofe » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:06 am

qjz123 wrote:Here's a video comparing the level sets, dragon boxes, and the blu ray season sets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEvLIkDBlk
Aren't the Blu season sets supposed to have more at the sides? Can't really say I'm seeing that. A part from that, the cropping in this video wasn't very disturbing, even if it does make you lose footage.

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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:59 am

cRookie_Monster wrote:They could do the thing where you duplicate the stereo music in the surrounds, but that's all it would be. We only delivered stereo. They'd have to go back to Faulconer Productions Music to get true 5.1 music mixes. They'd have to load all the old sessions up, update the sessions to the software format...then remix to 5.1 The new mixes would then have to be re-edited into the shows.

It would be a major job to do properly and Funi and Faulconer's relationship is toast. Realistically the best you could hope for would probably be the surround duplicate method.
I was about to write: "You should ask cRookie_Monster about that" :D

Making a proper 5.1 mix of Japanese score is even more impossible. FUNimation is using music-only mono tape, because this is (was) the only existing source of edited music. What they should do to create 5.1 mix is:

1. Find multitrack masters of all the music (latest news: 99% do not exist anymore).
2. Create a six-channel mixes (~6 hours of music for mixing and mastering - it is way more time (and money) consuming to properly place the instruments on 6 channels than on 2 channels).
3. Ask Toei Animation (or kenisu3000 :D) for "music documentation" of each episode.
4. Produce new music-only tape by editing and placing all music pieces as they were originally placed.

I can guarantee you - you would be totally stunned by how this score originally sounds. I guess that the cost of this would be bigger than the season sets budget.

We have a similar, but a little bit different situation with SFXes. They are using the same kind of mono source, but judging by the action on the screen, they can change the placement of the source of each SFX (left, right, center etc.). This is the only thing that they can do "almost" properly. Of course, the effect would be way better if they would edit a new SFX track by using best quality masters from Fizz Sound Creation. Hell only knows if Toei Animation still keeps SFX documentation.

The fidelity of this music&effects tape is also a problem. High frequencies (~12-16kHz - those which make sound crisp and clear) are muffed by around 20dB (!!!) when compared to the original music masters. ~3dB difference and it does not meet the German DIN 45500 standard from 1966 (the well known Hi Fi). I'm not even mentioning about other distortions like: THD+N, IMD, wow and flutter, dynamic range degradation - they are way below this old norm.

Despite of how crazy all these descriptions above sound, I think that the fidelity of audio has a big influence on people's opinion about Kikuchi score. After hearing the original crispness and wide dynamic range, nobody would dare to say that this music is dull and boring. The issue with which we are dealing is not only for a nerdy, crazy and nitpicky audio extremists - the difference is easy noticeable for a normal person.

Overall: 5.1 track with Japanese score! = false advertisement. But who cares? It works!
sangofe wrote:(...) the cropping in this video wasn't very disturbing, even if it does make you lose footage.
I respect your opinion, but from my point of view the one is contrary to the other.

I hope that I will enjoy reading kaznenshuu review of this release :twisted:
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Post by darkknightkryta » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:23 am

sangofe wrote:
qjz123 wrote:Here's a video comparing the level sets, dragon boxes, and the blu ray season sets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEvLIkDBlk
Aren't the Blu season sets supposed to have more at the sides? Can't really say I'm seeing that. A part from that, the cropping in this video wasn't very disturbing, even if it does make you lose footage.
From what I can tell, when they scanned in the film for the levels they actually managed to get most of the frame. The only thing they couldn't get was the little bits left over from making a square frame from the rounded corners. Which makes this season set even more laughable since they lost so much of the footage for maybe 10% more footage (Maybe 5% each side left and right) from the sides.

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Post by qjz123 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:52 am

sangofe wrote: Aren't the Blu season sets supposed to have more at the sides? Can't really say I'm seeing that. A part from that, the cropping in this video wasn't very disturbing, even if it does make you lose footage.
You do gain some look at Vegetas ear http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w52 ... 8d44a8.png.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:08 am

cRookie_Monster wrote:They could do the thing where you duplicate the stereo music in the surrounds, but that's all it would be. We only delivered stereo. They'd have to go back to Faulconer Productions Music to get true 5.1 music mixes. They'd have to load all the old sessions up, update the sessions to the software format...then remix to 5.1 The new mixes would then have to be re-edited into the shows.

It would be a major job to do properly and Funi and Faulconer's relationship is toast. Realistically the best you could hope for would probably be the surround duplicate method.
Aw that's a shame the connection between the two's fried but if FUNimation were to do that, along with the inclusion of Japanese Broadcast Audio + HD 4x3 w/NEPs and Japanese credits this would be the perfect Dragon Ball Z BD release for me.

Still, thank you very much for that detailed response, Rookie_Monster.

P.S.: Shouldn't the title of the topic be changed to Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" on Blu-ray (Updated 12/31) it's already out so..?
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:05 am

qjz123 wrote:You do gain some look at Vegetas ear http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w52 ... 8d44a8.png.
I noticed that too, you do gain some footage on the sides in the new Season Sets. It's more obvious when looking at the scene at Kame House.

However as far as colors go... for me the Level Sets look blandish, and the Season Set is too bright. Dragon Box is too pink, that goes without saying. If the Level/Season Sets could find a middle ground it would be perfect for me.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:33 am

I feel like this release is made just for me,
Whenever I watch Kai I always wack the brightness up and try to zoom the picture as much as possible to fill the screen.
Thank You FUNImation! Can't wait till this arrives!

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Post by TheAldella » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:29 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I feel like this release is made just for me,
Whenever I watch Kai I always wack the brightness up and try to zoom the picture as much as possible to fill the screen.
Thank You FUNImation! Can't wait till this arrives!
I used to do that. I mean, I didn't jack up the brightness, but I didn't like being Forced to watch it 4:3 when I was being lazy, so I got as far away as possible and zoomed the sucker in.
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Post by PhoenixEX » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:42 pm

If only FUNi remastered the series like the Yu Yu Hakusho Blurays...now that would be the definitive release.
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:47 pm

PhoenixEX wrote:If only FUNi remastered the series like the Yu Yu Hakusho Blurays...now that would be the definitive release.
The thing is, that wasn't their remaster. That was Toei's remaster. FUNimation just licensed it as-is, much like they did with the Dragon Box DVDs for Z.
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Post by jpdbzrulz4sure » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:51 pm

VegettoEX wrote:That was Toei's remaster.
Actually, it was Bandai that remastered YYH.
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Post by Sin » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:53 pm

I wonder why Toei hasn't bothered with a Blu-Ray release yet, I mean I'm not sure how popular the format is over in Japan but I'm sure the numbers would add up, I guess they're just tied up with Kai at the moment.

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:59 pm

jpdbzrulz4sure wrote:Actually, it was Bandai that remastered YYH.
Fair correction, but still doesn't matter in the end :). Always appreciate the real info, though.
Sin wrote:I wonder why Toei hasn't bothered with a Blu-Ray release yet, I mean I'm not sure how popular the format is over in Japan but I'm sure the numbers would add up, I guess they're just tied up with Kai at the moment.
They probably track their sales pretty damn well and haven't oversaturated the market to the point where they can't make heads-or-tails of their research like it seems FUNimation had backed themselves into. All the merch sales including DVDs were peaking back in 2007, and with Kai not selling so well, it makes sense to give it a little time to build up the demand again. It's not like Toei needs to re-license it to themselves, so they can sit tight and let the demand build back up without having to worry about timing the way FUNimation does.
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