Interesting or funny pictures thread

[KentalSSJ6]

[Gyt Kaliba]

I don't know why, but King of the Hill/DBZ mash-ups just about always crack me up.

Ask and you shall receive!

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...And now I will never be unable to undo the realization that, at certain points in the story, there's really not a great jump from Bill to Kuririn.

[KentalSSJ6]

That horrible moment where you realize you have watched so much DBZ you see it in places you never thought possible.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Apparently the top picture is from 'My Bride is a Mermaid'. I love little jokes like this one, so my need to watch that show has just grown even more.

[Godo]

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It looks cool, considering the whole cats vs. dogs thing. But Goku should be a monkey.

[KentalSSJ6]

Oh and heres a bonus, check out this little post I saw on Facebook. Its a comment on Goku VS Superman.

"I want to start out by saying, no one knows exactly how powerful SS3 Goku is, as power levels stop being officially tracked after the Frieza saga, where Goku is stated to have a PL of 150 million. If you want my opinion on how I think his power scales up till the end of GT, you need only look at my sig. I will not attempt to use my fanmade power levels in a matchup like this though.

First, I think it's important to define what a power level is. An ordinary human has a power level of 5. It takes 27 PSI to crack open a human skull. In the first episode of Dragonball, Goku has a power level of 10. In that episode he is hit by a car and shot in the head by Bulma. Even a shot from a 9mm gun is over 30,000 PSI. Goku did not even bleed from that shot. The difference of 5 to 10 is a LOT more than double. This trend continues when Master Roshi blows up the moon with a power level of 140. The moon is about an 83rd of the weight of the Earth in mass. That's over 150 sextillion pounds worth of mass destroyed in a single shot. That is less than Pre Crisis Superman has been shown to lift with 1 arm, when he lifted 4 septillion pounds. Even so, it's an important thing to note.

It appears power levels do not scale linearly. It seems that each power level is more significant than the previous. If this pattern continues indefinitely, it's possible Goku is stronger than, or at least as strong as Pre Crisis Superman as early as the first episode of Dragonball z with his power level of over 950. During his fight with Vegeta, Vegeta threatens to blow up the Earth with a power level of 18,000. Some think that is a bluff, I think that would be out of character with Vegeta's personality, but that's another debate entirely.

Anywho, with the way power levels increase in DBZ, by the end of the Frieza saga Goku was likely capable of mass destruction on a galactic scale. Which brings me to my next point. Some will call this next point non-canon in the extreme as this is a movie reference. If you wish to do that, that's your choice. I do believe the movies follow the same "rules" as the anime/manga though. There is actually one power level stated to be higher than SS Frieza saga Goku. According to V-Jump magazine, LSS Broly has a power level of 1.4 billion.

Broly destroys the entire South Galaxy in his movie. That's a rather misleading term though, and probably doesn't mean what you think it does. In real life, a galaxy is 50-100 billion planets. There are about 600 sextillion planets in the observable universe. The South Galaxy in DBZ is not a typical real life galaxy, it is one quarter of the universe. So assuming our universes are the same size, Broly destroyed about 150 sextillion planets in one blast. I believe it's been shown that at higher super saiyan forms, possibly as early as FPSS, Goku is stronger than Broly. As a super saiyan 3, Goku is certainly more powerful than Broly, and super saiyan 3s have been shown to be able to break the laws of reality. So it's likely that SS3 Goku could destroy the universe, maybe even reality itself.

Now to cover speed, this is a fun one. On foot Superman cannot reach lightspeed. The Flash was shown to be faster than Superman in a footrace, as mentioned above. If the Flash ever reaches lightspeed he joins with the speedforce, which he clearly didn't in that race. So he didn't need to even reach lightspeed to beat Superman. Superman appears to be able to fly faster than lightspeed though, as traversing our solar system in a few minutes would require a little more than lightspeed, since the distance from the Earth to the Sun is 8 light minutes.

How fast is Goku though? Well, there's only two good events that you can use to measure speed in DBZ. One is the kamehameha wave from Cooler's Revenge. In about 10 seconds, Goku's kamehameha wave reached from the Earth to the Sun, making it about 50 times faster than the speed of light. Therefore, anyone that can dodge SS1 Goku's kamehameha wave, or even see it, has to be at least 50 times faster than the speed of light. Why is seeing it important? In DBZ, there are many times that the characters move faster than other characters can see. So basically, any villain post SS1 that can keep up with Goku can move at least 50 times faster than lightspeed.

The other case is a little more extreme though. When Vegeta uses The Final Flash against Cell. It's clearly shown that his blast leaves our solar system and explodes on a far away planet/star. The closest planet to our solar system is 10.5 lightyears away. That's 31556926 light seconds. It got there in only 20 seconds, therefore The Final Flash moves at least 1577846.3 times faster than lightspeed. And that was just ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta. Keep in mind perfect Cell saw this attack coming, yet is unable to see SS2 Gohan's movements. And SS3 Goku is obviously far stronger and faster. I don't think Goku would even need to transform to beat Pre Crisis Superman. He could likely kill him with a single finger. To put another nail in the coffin though, let's talk about fighting skills.

Goku is a world champion martial artist that continuously trains to better himself. Many times he has fought evenly with beings of similar or greater power. There is a time when Pre Crisis Superman loses his powers. During this time he has a boxing match with Muhammad Ali. Superman loses without landing a single blow, due to his lack of
fighting skill. He has been trained in martial arts by Batman, but he is no world class fighter. Superman is also not used to actually fighting an equal or more powerful opponent at faster than light speeds.

If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT."


Gotta say its better than most of the DBZ related posts you see on Facebook or Youtube.

[rereboy]

There's no proof that Goku even surpasses with his base at any point in time the power he had as a SSJ on Namek. In fact, the most recent movie seems to say the opposite.

And power levels are inherently flawed and inconsistent. Goku stars DBZ with a power level of less than a 1000 when an ordinary human has a power of 5. Really? Goku is not even 200 times stronger than a normal human? Really? The same Goku that is way stronger than Roshi that was able to destroy the moon? The same Goku that is much stronger than a Piccolo Daimao that had the power to destroy a city several times over with gigantic mushroom cloud explosions? The power of 200 ordinary humans combined is greater than Goku? Really? Yup. That pretty much says it all when we even try to apply strict consistency to power levels.

[Gyt Kaliba]

And power levels are inherently flawed and inconsistent. Goku stars DBZ with a power level of less than a 1000 when an ordinary human has a power of 5. Really? Goku is not even 200 times stronger than a normal human? Really? The same Goku that is way stronger than Roshi that was able to destroy the moon? The same Goku that is much stronger than a Piccolo Daimao that had the power to destroy a city several times over with gigantic mushroom cloud explosions? The power of 200 ordinary humans combined is greater than Goku? Really? Yup. That pretty much says it all when we even try to apply strict consistency to power levels.

That's probably the best argument for how BS power levels really are that I've ever read. Especially when you consider the fact that by that point, Goku has already long since taken down the Red Ribbon Army, who it's probably safe to assume had at least 200 people, no doubt many more.

[hleV]

How strong is a 5 battle power ki blast in real world? Oh wait, there ain't no ki blasts in real world! It's not like 200 ordinary humans would destroy a city with their fists. Give them the ability to use ki blasts (efficiently) and they just might.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that post should go in the "funny but dumb" things thread instead.

[rereboy]

How strong is a 5 battle power ki blast in real world? Oh wait, there ain't no ki blasts in real world! It's not like 200 ordinary humans would destroy a city with their fists. Give them the ability to use ki blasts (efficiently) and they just might.

Its not just a matter of Ki. For example, if power levels are consistent, then a punch of Goku at full power isn't even 200 times stronger than an ordinary human. Does that seem right to you with all the things Goku has done in Dragon Ball? Heck, Goku starts Dragon Ball with a punch that seems much stronger than a regular human, capable of destroying a very big log of wood and showing strength also higher than any regular human by lifting Bulma's car. And that's on chapter 1. All the progress he achieved in Dragon Ball only amounted to be him being not even as strong as 200 ordinary humans? Yeah...

And Goku only reaches a power level close to 1000 (200 ordinary humans) when he uses his Kamehameha into an amplified attack in DBZ. His regular fighting power level is only 416!! That's not even the equivalent power level of 84 combined regular humans!!!

To me its pretty clear that power levels aren't ever really consistent, not even when they are introduced.

[KentalSSJ6]

Not to mention they make it seem SSJ Goku on Namek would be a galaxy buster. If 300 is all it takes to take out the moon, imagine what 150 million could do.

[hleV]

Its not just a matter of Ki. For example, if power levels are consistent, then a punch of Goku at full power isn't even 200 times stronger than an ordinary human. Does that seem right to you with all the things Goku has done in Dragon Ball?

Well, Goku can utilize ki and humans don't. If it was normal human punch x 200 against Goku's punch, then sure, I guess Goku takes it. But if the humans could utilize ki to perhaps make their punches stronger (like Goku perhaps does), then I could probably see 200 humans taking the lead.

Heck, Goku starts Dragon Ball with a punch that seems much stronger than a regular human, capable of destroying a very big log of wood and showing strength also higher than any regular human by lifting Bulma's car.

Does Goku's physical strength amount to twice that of a human's only because his ki is twice that of a human's? Would a Saiyan baby be sent to a remote planet in order to conquer it he was so squishy?

I'm not saying that powers levels are consistent, but the points you bring up... they're explainable, the confusion comes from the lack of information on ki.

And the cases where the moon gets destroyed are gags.

[rereboy]

Well, Goku can utilize ki and humans don't.

Goku's Ki control at the start of the series is basic at best. He is simply stronger.

Does Goku's physical strength amount to twice that of a human's only because his ki is twice that of a human's? Would a Saiyan baby be sent to a remote planet in order to conquer it he was so squishy?

I'm not saying that powers levels are consistent, but the points you bring up... they're explainable, the confusion comes from the lack of information on ki.

First of all, power levels are not Ki readings. Raditz power reading of Goku changed when Goku took off his heavy clothes. That doesn't have anything to do with Goku's Ki changing. So, power level =/= ki. They are no exactly the same thing.

And the point I bring up is merely consistency. As in we can't expect the power levels to follow a simple consistent logical pattern. For example, we can't expect that having double the power level means that a character is twice as strong, twice as fast, will lift the double amount if weight, will have double the punching power, will be able to destroy twice as much, or that a certain gap in difference of power levels will have similar results, etc.

Right from the start, with Goku's and the farmer readings, we immediately notice that there's no way that it follows a consistent pattern like that. And this point is proven time an time again as the series goes on. That is my point.

The text posted regarding Goku and Superman actually notices some of these inconsistencies, but draws the wrong conclusions... Whoever wrote it simply assumes that an increase in power level means an exponential increase, trying to find some sort of logical pattern that way. But he forgets that power levels are not designed to follow a consistent logical pattern like I mentioned, which includes a pattern of exponential increase. This is easily noticeable in all the examples of fighters in Dragon Ball actually managing to fight agaisnt opponents with power levels significantly higher, which would be impossible with consistent exponential increases.

[KentalSSJ6]

Ooook, lets steer this back on track.

[hleV]

@rereboy, so what is "power level"? I assume you have enough information about it seeing how you're so sure about what you're saying.

[rereboy]

@rereboy, so what is "power level"? I assume you have enough information about it seeing how you're so sure about what you're saying.

It's never fully explained in the series how exactly the scouters work and how do they come up with their numbers for the power levels. But it is shown that scouters change their readings based on the fact that the opponents are weighted or not. Being weighted or not should not affect the Ki output, so, even though we don't know exactly how scouters work and how they come up with power levels, it seems that they aren't simply a Ki output reading.

We would need more information regarding power levels and Ki to reach any further conclusions but to me this is enough information to assume that they aren't the same thing. Its either that or assume that being weighted actually affects Ki output, which doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

[The Monkey King]

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Although some of what he said was worthy, I've gotta give him some credit for trying to work with PLs.
I do think Goku would beat Post-Crisis Superman, not Pre-Crisis though.

And the cases where the moon gets destroyed are gags.

How are they gags? I can see Master Roshi's moon busting as a plot device or outlier (considering King Piccolo is only city level)
But how is Piccolo destroying the moon a gag?

Spoiler:

Since the next jump in power was planet busting (Vegeta) Piccolo being able to destroy the moon is perfectly consistent.

[KentalSSJ6]

Lets get this thread back on track before a mod has to be brought in. Goku VS Supes comments and power level talk can be said in the power level thread and versus thread.







Broly cosplay? Fine.

Broly doing cosplay? Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[hleV]

it is shown that scouters change their readings based on the fact that the opponents are weighted or not. Being weighted or not should not affect the Ki output

The same way being hurt shouldn't affect the ki output, but it apparently does? Weights suppress the capability to fully utilize one's ki ("surface" it), I don't think ki sensing would work differently than scouters in this particular case.