Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by DNA » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:27 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Well, I just saw a video about the size of mechas in the Gurren Lagann series (because I never saw the series before), and I literally awe at how huge Super Tengen Toppa is. I seriously doubt that many anime characters could defeat him in a battle. However, if Vegetto was in the similar height as STTLG, then with his skillsets and incredible techniques, I have no doubt Vegetto could at least hurt him. It'd be hard to predict on Vegetto's victory on this battle.
Size wouldn't make Vegetto more powerful, Super Tengen Toppa is not just huge, his power includes reality warping and stuff like that.
I mean, lets take this on a tangent. In Dragon Ball Multiverse you had a character who defeated Vegetto simply by removing him out of play, Vegetto went on a rampage because he didn't even know how to deal with that.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:32 pm

I doubt Hao would beat Vegito. From what I can remember from SK that most characters were around 22nd Tenkachi Budokai level at best. Won't Vegito just blow up the whole Planet before they can do anything.
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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:33 pm

mmg86 wrote:goku the krump dancer, to be honest your post offends me. Claiming that "if character A had (insert attribute) from character B, he would be stronger" is... i have no words for it. And hell, in the case of STTGL, you could make Vegetto as large as it, or STTGL the size of a human, and it wouldnt change anything in my opinion, because STTGL has tons of other powers.

It can absorb energy to fire it back or to power himself up (and i dont mean energy lent to it, as in a Genki Dama... i mean ATTACKS directed at it), fire attacks that time travel or dimension hop (meaning that it can, while safe in another dimension, send an attack that kills your past self... yeah...), manipulate probability (making the impossible possible and viceversa...), Spiral Recognition System (the ability to locate anything by thinking about it, doesnt need a ki signal or anything of the sort)... people tend to only mention the size of it because that is its most distinguishing feature, not its only one...

Hell, Lagann-Hen even proves that its smaller forms can overpower its stronger ones if the pilots are motivated enough, as plain old Gurren Lagann overpowered the Anti-Giga Drill Breaker (an attack much more powerful than the Big Bang), and Gurren Lagann is merely building sized... you think Vegetto could overpower that attack if we enlarge him to the size of a building?
Sorry you took offense, I just dont buy into the Gurren Lagan hype.

Still though, out of all the things you've listed Vegetto only has to worry about the "probability" thing but to which I have to ask.. To what degree is his Probability altering powers? One thing I noticed when people put DB characters against these supposed divine super beings they always say they can do this or that but never really elaborate to what degree. I can easily say oh Janemba and Boo were reality warpers.

If Vegetto is laughing off "Solar System" busting energy blasts than yes he is more than capable of reflecting a Big Bang level blast without his size being altered.... If your wondering where I'm getting this solar system blast thing from, I'm talking about Cell and his "Solar Kamehameha". While some challenge whether or not Cell's blast had that kind of power, their's a guide statement that said that the blast he charged up did have that kind of power but I digress. Base Vegetto is worlds above Super Perfect Cell right? Right, so if Cell fired said Blast at Vegetto, what would he do? Laugh that shit off.

In Dragon Ball, each timeline is its own. Super Tengen would throw his time hopping blast that kills a past version or Goku and/or Vegeta but the Vegetto thats standing in front of him ready to knock his block off would be unfazed because the timelines aren't connected.

Granted all this would be if they were the same size.
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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Friezacooler » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:44 pm

Elder God Demonbane is greater or equals STTGL. Than there is Kami tenchi, Dark schneider, Saint Seiya Zues etc. I wouldn't be surprised if anime Buuhan is greater or stalemates them either, Vegito being greater than them i wouldn't be surprised indeed.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

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Friezacooler wrote:Elder God Demonbane is greater or equals STTGL. Than there is Kami tenchi, Dark schneider, Saint Seiya Zues etc. I wouldn't be surprised if anime Buuhan is greater or stalemates them either, Vegito being greater than them i wouldn't be surprised indeed.
Any form of Buuhan gets blinked out of existence, and Vegito can spend the rest of his life trying to put a dent into TTGL, let alone STTGL.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Friezacooler » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:16 am

Anime Buuhan collapses all dimensions and regenerates, it's doubtful and arguable whether Demonbane or STTGL would return from that, Saint Seiya Zues probably would. Or Buuhan simply turns them into whatever object he is capable of creating them into, and absorbs them probably 100% success rate this last one since they don't have those special set of Potara earrings.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Gonstead » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:28 am

Copying and pasting info about Demonbane...

Demonbane can destroy universes by existing in it because he's so massive. He's faster than light even though he doesn't need to be. Has multiversal level reality warping. His kicks can rip through space time and destroy dimensions. He can cast illusions on his enemies, can summon infinite copies of himself from the past, present, and future etc. Elder God Demonbane is even stronger.
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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Draken » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:39 am

Friezacooler wrote:Anime Buuhan collapses all dimensions and regenerates, it's doubtful and arguable whether Demonbane or STTGL would return from that, Saint Seiya Zues probably would. Or Buuhan simply turns them into whatever object he is capable of creating them into, and absorbs them probably 100% success rate this last one since they don't have those special set of Potara earrings.
In the amount of time it takes Buuhan to chain reaction destroy the universe, STTGL accidentally cock-slaps him to hell because he didn't notice the insignificant little planet.

Or Simon simply uses his spiral energy to will Buuhan away.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Friezacooler » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:49 am

Except only way to get rid of Buuhan is to purify him with Potara earrings or Purify him with spirit bomb, which Simon doesn't possesses.
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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Draken » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:49 am

Friezacooler wrote:except only way to get rid of Buuhan is to purify him with Potara earrings or Purify him with spirit bomb, which Simon doesn't possesses.
That's unless you're omnipotent. Or not fan-wanking with a theory. Purify with potara earrings? LOLWUT

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Friezacooler » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:59 am

Draken wrote:
Friezacooler wrote:except only way to get rid of Buuhan is to purify him with Potara earrings or Purify him with spirit bomb, which Simon doesn't possesses.
That's unless you're omnipotent. Or not fan-wanking with a theory. Purify with potara earrings? LOLWUT
vegito with Potara earrings said i will purify you with one blast, Goku states during spirit bomb power up i could purify him with one blast with the Potara earrings. Spirit bomb is Purifying technique. so yeah.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Draken » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:07 am

Friezacooler wrote:
Draken wrote:
Friezacooler wrote:except only way to get rid of Buuhan is to purify him with Potara earrings or Purify him with spirit bomb, which Simon doesn't possesses.
That's unless you're omnipotent. Or not fan-wanking with a theory. Purify with potara earrings? LOLWUT
vegito with Potara earrings said i will purify you with one blast, Goku states during spirit bomb power up i could purify him with one blast with the Potara earrings. Spirit bomb is Purifying technique. so yeah.
Prove it.

Simon is a reality warper, defies the laws of... well pretty much every law in the universe (can create something from nothing) he has literally infinite spiral energy, can get stronger and stronger the more he wants to win, battled with an omniscient, omnipresent, and nigh-omnipotent being and won, can create giant mecha's as big as the universe to throw galaxies like throwing stars, and destroys dimensional barriers as accidental side effects of fighting the Anti Spiral. Your turn.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Rocketman » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:14 am

Horakhty created himself, then had sex with his shadow and his shadow got pregnant with the universe.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Kaboom » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:15 am

Neither Vegetto's power nor the power of the Spirit Bomb are said to be "purifying" anything. Both are just extraordinarily more powerful than the forms of Majin Boo they faced, enough to vaporize every last molecule.
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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Draken » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:18 am

Rocketman wrote:Horakhty created himself, then had sex with his shadow and his shadow got pregnant with the universe.
Screw Horakhty, Exodia would be enough. That's just overkill for poor little Vegetto :c

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:15 am

Friezacooler wrote:Anime Buuhan collapses all dimensions and regenerates
He had a shield projecting him when he was trying to destroy the whole universe with the scream chain reaction. His attack takes time, so characters like TTGL or the Gold Saints could easily stop him before he can do anything.
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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Draken » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:26 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
Friezacooler wrote:Anime Buuhan collapses all dimensions and regenerates
He had a shield projecting him when he was trying to destroy the whole universe with the scream chain reaction. His attack takes time, so characters like TTGL or the Gold Saints could easily stop him before he can do anything.
Most likely on accident as they deal with more important threats.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by mmg86 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:41 am

goku the krump dancer, its ok. Its just that arguments of that type make absolutely no sense. I could say "Kenshiro would kick Supermans ass, if he were a Kryptonian too" or "Batman would humilliate Vegetto for sure, if they had the same Power Level"... you could say that sort of thing with any matchup, but it contributes absolutely nothing.

Now to answer your questions. The degree of its probability manipulation is not very clear because its not mentioned often, but the examples i can think of is: a character succeeding at destroying a machine when a living supercomputer had calculated the probability of success at 0% (not "0.0001% or anything of the sort, ZERO), and the Ashtangas damaging Cho Ginga Gurren Lagann. Its force field was stopping the moons that were being tossed at it with no strain whatsoever, then suddenly one went through and hit, with probability manipulation being mentioned (presumably by causing the force field to malfunction for a split second)... its a vague but very powerful ability. Think about it.

And no, neither Boo nor Janemba are reality warpers, they are a respectively a magical transmutator and a matter manipulator. TTGL cant manipulate reality either. Also, i wonder if you know what a Big Bang is... laughing at something capable of destroying a solar system is not even close. Its like saying "character A can swim in lava without problems, he would be fine in the core of the sun", or "character A didnt even notice the brick that fell on his head, i doubt a meteor the size of a planet would bother him". And keep in mind that the attack i mentioned was STRONGER than the Big Bang, given how it destroyed STTGL, STTGL coming into existence in the first place when various galaxy sized mechs and the Big Bang they had absorbed combined...

Regarding the time travel thing, that depends on which set of rules we go by, because in TTGL there are no implications of time travel creating alternate timelines. And it doesnt matter anyway, because i doubt firing attacks at the future would create an alternate timeline, and it can do that... to be precise, the scene with the time traveling attacks went like this: Ashtangas start traveling through time. Someone goes "damn, if only we could stop them", supercomputer basically replies "Understood. Locking on, past -10, future +8, FIRE! Targets destroyed". And you didnt adress the dimension hoping attacks. TTGL doesnt even HAVE to be in the dimension the fight takes place in, dude. Ever seen a DB character fire a ki blast from Earth, and it hits someone in the Room Of Time? That is what its like.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by Rocketman » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:12 am

The only thing this thread is doing is securing TTGL as the shittiest possible shit. Ugh.

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Re: Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

Post by mmg86 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:20 am

Rocketman wrote:The only thing this thread is doing is securing TTGL as the shittiest possible shit. Ugh.
And you say that because...? Seriously, i would like you to elaborate.

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