Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:23 am

kei17 wrote:It's becoming likelier that Kai is taking Toriko's time slot. I'm still not sure, though.
Why are you saying that? Did they announce that Toriko is being canceled ?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:30 am

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kei17 wrote:It's becoming likelier that Kai is taking Toriko's time slot. I'm still not sure, though.
Why are you saying that? Did they announce that Toriko is being canceled ?
The Toriko anime is rumored to end in March because according to leaks, the Toriko Carddass series will also end. However, it's possible that the anime is going to get a sequel ala DBZ or Naruto Shippuden, because it the anime is currently in the final arc of "Part 1" of the manga.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:38 am

I think that there is still a strong possibility that it's coming as a straight-to-DVD.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:40 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
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kei17 wrote:It's becoming likelier that Kai is taking Toriko's time slot. I'm still not sure, though.
Why are you saying that? Did they announce that Toriko is being canceled ?
the Toriko Carddass series will also end.
What's a Carddass ?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:45 am

sintzu wrote:What's a Carddass ?
A card game.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Kendamu » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:16 am

kei17 wrote:I think that there is still a strong possibility that it's coming as a straight-to-DVD.
This is what I'm thinking as well. If Kai didn't generate more merchandise sales the first time, I doubt it'll generate them the second time.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:54 am

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kei17 wrote:I think that there is still a strong possibility that it's coming as a straight-to-DVD.
This is what I'm thinking as well. If Kai didn't generate more merchandise sales the first time, I doubt it'll generate them the second time.
The home release is to expensive for a show that's only a director's cut of an old show that most japanese fans already have

The games are worse then the ps2 era of games in both quality and quantity

If they made a new show with a new story and charecters it will sell and the same goes for the games
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:08 am

sintzu wrote:The home release is to expensive for a show that's only a director's cut of an old show that most japanese fans already have
If the Buu saga of Kai was to be funded only against expected home release sales I'd agree, but it isn't. It has already been stated (a long time ago) that the production of the Buu saga of Kai has the foreign market in mind, and has probably been at least in-part funded by an overseas production partner(s) or against already-purchased broadcast licenses.

This isn't the first time Toei have done something like this, Ultimate Muscle was produced beyond its intended run due to American demand. Back during the boom era of Dragonball's popularity in the US Cartoon Network actually mooted the idea about making more Dragonball Z with Toei, but it wasn't something they were interested in doing at the time.

It's hard for a lot of people to actually believe, as companies in Japan can be very solipsistic (inward facing) and a little bit wary of the overseas market, but I think in Anime at least, it's becoming an increasingly important revenue stream, thus evoking a wider scale of collaboration than we have seen in the past.

As I mentioned a few posts back, TV Tokyo actually now owns a large/controlling stake in Crunchyroll. 5 years ago this would be unthinkable.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:46 am

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sintzu wrote:The home release is to expensive for a show that's only a director's cut of an old show that most japanese fans already have
If the Buu saga of Kai was to be funded only against expected home release sales I'd agree, but it isn't. It has already been stated (a long time ago) that the production of the Buu saga of Kai has the foreign market in min.
I'm talking about the japanese market cause i read that a season in japan is 200$-300$ so the buu saga would be the same price there right ?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Kendamu » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:56 pm

sintzu wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
kei17 wrote:I think that there is still a strong possibility that it's coming as a straight-to-DVD.
This is what I'm thinking as well. If Kai didn't generate more merchandise sales the first time, I doubt it'll generate them the second time.
The home release is to expensive for a show that's only a director's cut of an old show that most japanese fans already have

The games are worse then the ps2 era of games in both quality and quantity

If they made a new show with a new story and charecters it will sell and the same goes for the games
I'm talking about general merchandise. In Japan, the show isn't the main product. Shows like DBZ are meant to get people to buy toys, shirts, the manga, etc. in Japan. Kai didn't bring in the merchandise sales needed to stay on the air.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:55 pm

Blade wrote:
This isn't the first time Toei have done something like this, Ultimate Muscle was produced beyond its intended run due to American demand. Back during the boom era of Dragonball's popularity in the US Cartoon Network actually mooted the idea about making more Dragonball Z with Toei, but it wasn't something they were interested in doing at the time.
They also did with Voltron and Power Rangers. Toei made some new GoLion animation footage for Voltron and Toei created new Zyuranger footage for the second season of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by nicolas_3d » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:12 am

Someone should write a message to Toei Animation directly to ask them if there is any truth to the Buu Arc rumors for Dbz Kai.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:15 am

nicolas_3d wrote:Someone should write a message to Toei Animation directly to ask them if there is any truth to the Buu Arc rumors for Dbz Kai.
There is no need to do so. We have already independently confirmed first-hand that it exists direct from Toei production staff themselves, have seen it mentioned via voice staff on both sides of the Pacific, and so on and so forth.

We know it exists. They're just not ready to announce it yet.
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Post by SaiyamanMS » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:33 am

Madman are projecting August/September for the first volume of the Buu arc. That means we could be looking two or three months earlier than that for Funimation, which fits well enough for the idea of the show returning to TV when Toriko ends.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:00 am

SaiyamanMS wrote:Madman are projecting August/September for the first volume of the Buu arc. That means we could be looking two or three months earlier than that for Funimation, which fits well enough for the idea of the show returning to TV when Toriko ends.
Thanks for the good news i'v been waiting along time for them to finally say something about it
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Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:41 am

SaiyamanMS wrote:Madman are projecting August/September for the first volume of the Buu arc. That means we could be looking two or three months earlier than that for Funimation, which fits well enough for the idea of the show returning to TV when Toriko ends.
Oh man, I'm hoping for May or June. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by sintzu » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:49 am

If they cut as much as they did for the previuos arcs we should get 49 episodes wich means 50% less then z so 4 parts then 2 seasons
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by qjz123 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:15 am

SaiyamanMS wrote:Madman are projecting August/September for the first volume of the Buu arc. That means we could be looking two or three months earlier than that for Funimation, which fits well enough for the idea of the show returning to TV when Toriko ends.
I'm really excited but what's taking Funimation so long to officially announce it?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Blade » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:29 am

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SaiyamanMS wrote:Madman are projecting August/September for the first volume of the Buu arc. That means we could be looking two or three months earlier than that for Funimation, which fits well enough for the idea of the show returning to TV when Toriko ends.
I'm really excited but what's taking Funimation so long to officially announce it?
It's almost certain that, contractually, their hands are tied right now.

In Japan, the 'official announcement' of something, be it news, a product release, or anything else for that matter, is a carefully staged event and something that is taken rather seriously. Even if something is more or less an open secret or dead-on-certainty, as the Buu arc of Kai is, it usually isn't talked about openly, not even in the press, until it has been 'officially announced'.

It's difficult to understand sometimes from a Western point of view, but it's just how things are done over there. It used to amuse me to no end how often bands in particular call press conferences to 'officially announce' things that are already public knowledge, and the attending media act surprised by the announcements as if they're hearing the news for the first time.

There's also a small matter of corporate pride on Toei's side of things, which in this case means that they want to be the ones who officially announce it first. So until then, Funimation are just having to sit on the news.
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Post by Cold Skin » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:04 am

That lack of announcement is still very surprising and makes me uncomfortable.
When you think that they announced some sort of Sailor Moon remake last summer and that now the release date is this summer...
If it's comparable, then we're good to have the Kai Boo arc in 2015... Although Kai's production is supposed to be pretty close to the end now, if not over already.

And then, you see all those games that they don't hesitate to announce and showcase them and promote them three years before the actual release, so shouldn't have they done it with Kai, clearly stating "the Boo arc is coming" during the very same week they even took the decision, and promoting it all along for the past years?
That's how they hype up games, why wouldn't it work with anime productions to hype them up for months/years as well and show more and more content and info in Jump as months go by?

But anyway, we'll see, the "Toriko replacement" theory seems pretty smart, so I'm eager to find out if it turns out to happen.

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