When Goku arrived on Namek (Power Level)

[kuartus4]

If you recall though, when he first judges Goku's strength, based on his ability to take out Baata and Recoome, he initially believes him to be able to go to 60,000 at most

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3
Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Jheese: "Six... 60,000!? H-he's a Saiyan!! Whoever heard of a Saiyan at 60,000...?!!"
Ginyu: “It’s not impossible. He could be like us, a super-gifted warrior, born as a mutant…Looks like this will be an unprecedentedly entertaining battle…I never thought the time would come for me to show my true power.”

So he, from the get go, is going in to the fight assuming that Goku is capable of that level of strength, and is able to instantly raise and lower it to avoid it being picked up by the scouters.

As the fight starts though, Ginyu gets an idea of roughly the level of strength that Goku is capable of instantly putting out, but it's still technically "hidden" power because he's trying not to tip Ginyu's hand as to what level of strength he's capable of, thus he's using it in quick bursts to avoid letting Ginyu see just how high he's able to go. Kaiou-ken strength can't be registered or felt if the technique isn't active, and there's nothing to suggest that Ginyu is capable of any degree of ki detection, since he required a scouter when he swapped bodies with Goku, and Goku showed no real indication of being able to sense ki while inside Ginyu's body. Ginyu's estimate was based solely on his fight with Goku and roughly where he felt Goku's true strength was given the "bursts" Goku was using.

Likewise, there's nothing in the manga suggesting that he was using anything higher than the regular, 2x Kaiou-ken, or that suddenly him activating the technique verbally doesn't indicate the level he's using, when in all the previous situations it did.

Thing is Ginyu does not say Goku is hiding great power, but that Goku is hiding "even greater power" . But even greater than what? Even greater than the power he is using to fight Ginyu logically. He isnt referring to even greater than 5000 because its obvious that Goku is much higher than that and ginyu already knows that so there's no need to reiterate it.

Ginyu also says that Goku is preserving his hidden power for his fight with frieza. Why would Ginyu say that Goku is preserving his hidden power for frieza when Goku is supposedly already using it against Ginyu? If he is preserving his power for frieza, then obviously he is not using it against Ginyu.

All this points to Ginyu's estimate of 85 K not being about Goku's burst as you are trying to say. But about power Goku isnt using against Ginyu at all.

And at least in this scan Ginyu mentions how he can feel Goku's power, which implies that he can sense ki, even hidden ki.



I dont know if it is completely correct or not though.

[Mystic Buu]

What I find ridiculous is when the power levels start going up greater than someone's base level. I bought Vegeta going from 18k to 24k, but it's hard to swallow that he goes from getting trashed by Reacoom to strong enough to cause Freeza to struggle. Hell, I bought Goku going from 180k to 300k when that's what I thought happened but when the 300k was revealed to be a translation error, it was just ridiculous.

Also,Goku's power level jumped from 90 000 to 3 000 000.That's a REALLY HUGE Zenkai boost.

[Darkprince410]

If you recall though, when he first judges Goku's strength, based on his ability to take out Baata and Recoome, he initially believes him to be able to go to 60,000 at most

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3
Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Jheese: "Six... 60,000!? H-he's a Saiyan!! Whoever heard of a Saiyan at 60,000...?!!"
Ginyu: “It’s not impossible. He could be like us, a super-gifted warrior, born as a mutant…Looks like this will be an unprecedentedly entertaining battle…I never thought the time would come for me to show my true power.”

So he, from the get go, is going in to the fight assuming that Goku is capable of that level of strength, and is able to instantly raise and lower it to avoid it being picked up by the scouters.

As the fight starts though, Ginyu gets an idea of roughly the level of strength that Goku is capable of instantly putting out, but it's still technically "hidden" power because he's trying not to tip Ginyu's hand as to what level of strength he's capable of, thus he's using it in quick bursts to avoid letting Ginyu see just how high he's able to go. Kaiou-ken strength can't be registered or felt if the technique isn't active, and there's nothing to suggest that Ginyu is capable of any degree of ki detection, since he required a scouter when he swapped bodies with Goku, and Goku showed no real indication of being able to sense ki while inside Ginyu's body. Ginyu's estimate was based solely on his fight with Goku and roughly where he felt Goku's true strength was given the "bursts" Goku was using.

Likewise, there's nothing in the manga suggesting that he was using anything higher than the regular, 2x Kaiou-ken, or that suddenly him activating the technique verbally doesn't indicate the level he's using, when in all the previous situations it did.

Thing is Ginyu does not say Goku is hiding great power, but that Goku is hiding "even greater power" . But even greater than what? Even greater than the power he is using to fight Ginyu logically. He isnt referring to even greater than 5000 because its obvious that Goku is much higher than that and ginyu already knows that so there's no need to reiterate it.

Ginyu also says that Goku is preserving his hidden power for his fight with Freeza. Why would Ginyu say that Goku is preserving his hidden power for Freeza when Goku is supposedly already using it against Ginyu? If he is preserving his power for Freeza, then obviously he is not using it against Ginyu.

All this points to Ginyu's estimate of 85 K not being about Goku's burst as you are trying to say. But about power Goku isnt using against Ginyu at all.

And at least in this scan Ginyu mentions how he can feel Goku's power, which implies that he can sense ki, even hidden ki.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c283/10

I dont know if it is completely correct or not though.

Don't go with scanslations as reliable sources for dialogue. Besides, even in the context of that line, it's meant to be considered more like a "gut feeling" rather than being able to sense ki or anything along those lines. It's meant to be taken more like, "I've got a feeling he can raise it higher if he wants".

As for Ginyu's other line about Goku hiding even greater power, he's saying that still in regards to his initial estimate of Goku's strength (the 60,000). Remember, even that was an estimate he wasn't certain of, since he couldn't get a reading on the scouter for him, so he was going in to the fight presuming that 60,000 was the most he could shoot up to. However, he later changed his mind about it after fighting with Goku and realizing that he was hiding more than he had anticipated initially (Goku's actual base of 90,000), so he revised his estimation based on what he had fought.

He was elated over the idea of Goku being at 60,000 at most, and considered that a great level of power, but again, that was only an estimate he wasn't certain of. After fighting him some, Ginyu realized that Goku was hiding more than 60,000 and then revised his "even greater" to 85,000 based on the bursts of strength Goku had been using. He was completely unaware of Goku's ability to use the Kaiou-ken because until that technique is active, that power isn't there to be felt.