How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

[SSJ YUSUKE]

As we know non Saiyan characters are treated as useless cannon fodder, none of the non sayains get any decent fights with the exception of Cell saga Piccolo.
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So how would you make the non saiyans have a bigger role in the Cell and Buu saga?

[Hearts]

Kaioken? We can assume that the humans can at least go 10x Kaioken, that would only make SSJ Goku 5x stronger (if they start at the same base).. Up until the Boo arc at least. Other than that there could probably be some technique like Narutos Sage Mode and the Spirit Bomb, gather energy from your surrounding and make yourself stronger.

[Kid Buu]

Tenshinhan and Kuririn are still omnipresent in the Cell arc, only Yamcha is neglected off the regular dudes. I would focus on his friendship with Chichi, where people realize that the woman who Yamcha cheated on Bulma with was in fact Chichi. It would then be revealed Goten is actually Yamcha's son, hence his jobber status.

[Saiga]

I probably wouldn't. Kuririn had his own subplot for the Android arc that could've been good if it weren't for his shallow motivations, so the only change I'd have is for him to be doing it out of human decency and caring about 18 and 17 instead of charging boner first after the pretty girl.

I would want to do something more with Piccolo's fusion with God during the Android arc, but I just can't figure what. I suppose what he got wasn't so bad, but I feel the fusion didn't quite live up to its hype.

[Kid Buu]

but I feel the fusion didn't quite live up to its hype.

Probably because he accomplished nothing!

[coola]

Give bad guys army of minions, and allow Earthlings to take care of them, Cold World fanfic made by jjgp1112 done it perfectly. that`s what i hated in DBZ Movie 3, Z-Fighters couldn`t even beat Tullece minions.

[Marco Polo]

I would do either this:

Give bad guys army of minions, and allow Earthlings to take care of them, Cold World fanfic made by jjgp1112 done it perfectly. that`s what i hated in DBZ Movie 3, Z-Fighters couldn`t even beat Tullece minions.

Or I would simply revise all the power levels to make it so that Saiyans are not so much more insanely powerful than the humans. A bit more powerful, sure, but not so much that humans can't measure up to them.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, I agree with Marco Polo that the "numbers" got out of hand when SSJ and Freeza became involved, making it seemingly impossible for anyone to catch up. Honestly, I don't think Piccolo is an exception in the Freeza and Cell arcs. He still winds up practically useless. Kaio-ken is a good idea, as is putting out more minions. However, I'd actually be fine with the Piccolo template made in the Boo arc. I thought his character was much more fun when he was taken out of the fighting, and I would have been thrilled if the others had been given roles, tasks, subplots to accomplish like that. After all, the question is how to stay relevant. It doesn't say relevant in fighting. I just want them to be relevant in the story.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yeah, I agree with Marco Polo that the "numbers" got out of hand when SSJ and Freeza became involved, making it seemingly impossible for anyone to catch up. Honestly, I don't think Piccolo is an exception in the Freeza and Cell arcs. He still winds up practically useless. Kaio-ken is a good idea, as is putting out more minions. However, I'd actually be fine with the Piccolo template made in the Boo arc. I thought his character was much more fun when he was taken out of the fighting, and I would have been thrilled if the others had been given roles, tasks, subplots to accomplish like that. After all, the question is how to stay relevant. It doesn't say relevant in fighting. I just want them to be relevant in the story.

I agree with this. "Relevant" isn't limited strictly to fighting, with Buu Arc Piccolo being the primary example. I mean, Bulma in DB never fought anyone, but nobody says she's not relevant.

More character driven moments, like Turtle's birthday, or Krillin's struggle with Marron, or even the Driving Episode, would have helped out a lot with keeping the minor characters around and interesting.

[PhoenixEX]

Make then turn over to the dark side a la Majin Vegeta. I feel like that would have been very cool to see.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Agreed wholeheartedly, relevance to the plot would have been a great way to keep things going even if they didn't stay relevant to fighting (though there's probably a way that could have been made to work too). Kuririn had his whole deal with 18 in the Androids arc, and Tenshinhan at least got a moment of glory against Cell...but Yamcha got squat. And he and Tenshinhan got squat in the Freeza arc too. Piccolo, while not really accomplishing anything, still got a pretty good fight against Cell, and a totally badass fight against 17, so I'd say he's still covered well in the Androids material, and him and Kuririn still got plenty of moments in Freeza - hell, Kuririn drove that arc for a while.

Then you get to Boo and it all falls apart. Save for Piccolo's humorous mentor role, nobody who's not a Saiyan doesn't really do a thing. Not even Android 18, who was JUST turned into an ally moving between arcs, gets to do anything relevant to the main plot (though her screwing with Mr. Satan is pretty great), though I guess in her case that could be explained with how her character is. Kuririn doesn't get to do anything at all (though I do like his willingness to go down fighting no matter what), Yamcha's barely even there, and Tenshinhan randomly shows up for absolutely no reason really. With all of the moving around in the Boo stuff, there has to be something else these characters could have done to help out somehow. Hell, even if it was just going to get the Dragon Radar, someone other than Trunks could have handled that easily enough.

[Super Sonic]

The lots of minions thing would've helped. And like I've said in other threads if only Toei or Toriyama had something like this scene from the Avengers could've happened, it would've been awesome.

[Tenken]

Get Bulma to enhance them like the Androids.

Done and...Done.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I liked what they did with Piccolo in the android/Cell saga. Really I think good amounts of training would be enough later, maybe allow them to continually reuse the ROSAT.

[Kendamu]

This one's simple: Just about everyone contributed in the JSAT Special. I'd just do something like that at more points in the story whether it be minions, damage control, or some sort of team attack like when everyone was helping Gohan against Cell.

[RandomGuy96]

I would be highly against the villains just randomly bringing packs of weaksauce minions for folks like Krillin to be relevant against. I hate when the henchmen are so weak that they're basically useless to their masters, and the actually relevant characters can mow down all of them in the time it takes for a bunch of side characters to have their battles. Like in the Freeza arc.

I would have given Piccolo more to do with his fusion. Have him actually defeat 17, but be taken off guard and tired by a still weaker than him Cell. This actually makes both characters look better. Then have him AND Vegeta aid Gohan against Cell. Also, have Kaioshin actually beat Piccolo and have Kibitoshin help in the final battle against Pure Buu with telekinesis.

As for the humans: let Krillin's Kienzan take out Nappa (but not before he kills Piccolo). That's pretty much it.

[Gaffer Tape]

I would also be against having minions just for the sake of having minions. But that's not what I would be asking for. Basically, later DB fights almost all come down to a one-on-one battle between the big hero and the big bad in a barren wasteland while all the other characters stand around in the background just to deliver the same tired lines:

"A-amazing!" "It's so far beyond me!" "Can he really only be using a fraction of his power?"

So shake up the formula. Fine, have henchmen. Henchmen who are doing things that need to be stopped. Maybe they're out wrecking cities and torturing innocent people. Maybe they're accomplishing vital components of the main villain's plan (which would hopefully be a bit more involving than simply, "I want to be stronger and/or take over/destroy the world."), and Goku just can't be everywhere at once. Bonus points given if the problems that need to be stopped actually cater to the individual characters' strengths. So it's not just throwing the not as strong characters a charity fight. It's giving them something to do in a situation that would be impossible for Goku (or any one character) to be able to accomplish on his own.

[RandomGuy96]

Goku could just IT to where the henchmen are and one-shot them in base.

If you somehow found a way to remove the Super Saiyans and Piccolo from the equation, 18 would immediately make everyone else irrelevant anyway. So what's the point?

I liked how, in the Buu arc, the main villain just casually used almost the entire supporting cast as a snack in preparation for his fight with Gotenks. It really drives home how little they have to do with anything.

[Gaffer Tape]

Not if he's in the middle of a fight himself. Or in the middle of accomplishing some other time-specific goal.

Besides, hell, late DB is the king of finding ways to incapacitate or otherwise remove Goku from the story.

[RandomGuy96]

It wouldn't take more than a few seconds. Or one of the other actually useful characters could do it.

Nope, sorry. I'd still just see those fights as humongous wastes of time and nothing else. I'd also wonder why Gero randomly built robots so many times weaker than his other ones, for example.

Again, it's a case of completely weak and useless minions that only exist to give minor characters something to fight. I'm glad the Cell and Buu arcs didn't do this.