How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:14 pm

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, especially given that I usually feel a character is only as "useless" as the writer allows him/her to be. In other words, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:38 pm

18 is changed by Cell when she's absorbed, so she has Cell's Perfect cells spliced into her when he throws her up. Boom, Boo saga fighter.

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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:51 pm

I agree that I wouldn't want to see more henchman, most of the time. I didn't mind it in the Freeza arc, but I don't think the Android and Boo arcs would have worked at all with that formula. Babidi had minions, but they were eliminated with Boo's arrival and I really don't think there was any way they could have stuck around without it being just weird.

I also like that the non Saiyans (sans 18 earlier) aren't relevant in the Boo arc, because it adds to how much of a threat Boo is.
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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:48 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:As for the humans: let Krillin's Kienzan take out Nappa (but not before he kills Piccolo). That's pretty much it.
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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:52 pm

I'd still have Nappa be beat by the side characters rather than just being roflstomped by Goku. Maybe overcome via teamwork? It seemed odd that all three saiyans were fought with teamwork, but it only paid off for 2/3 of them.
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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:55 pm

I think I'd have Gohan kill him in a rage boost. Also, I'd want Tenshinhan and Chaotzu's death to contribute SOMETHING, like maybe it injures his left arm or something.
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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by coola » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:16 am

Yes, maybe minions aren`t such good idea, i guess that`s always was main flaw of Mr. Toriyama, he introduce interesting characters, only to make them completely useless after their mini-arc, only exceptions are Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta.
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Re: How would you make the non sayians relevant post Freeza?

Post by Flame Dragon » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:20 am

The problem is that Toriyama screwed himself up when he started inflating power levels for "dramatic factor".
There's no reason for such big jumps between villains.

Raditz: 1200
Vegeta: 18.000 (180.000 Oozaru)
Freeza: 120.000.000

So when he gave SSJ a 50x multiplier, he gave the final nail in the coffin to the human characters, after that there was no way to let the humans keep up in a believable way.

I'd rather have smaller numbers, like
Raditz: 600 (still much stronger than both Goku and Piccolo)
Nappa: 1000 (much stronger than the Raditz and Saibaman level humans)
Vegeta: 2500 (5000 Oozaru, a 2x boost)
Freeza: 8000 (in his final 100% form, so his lower forms can be equal or lower level than the humans, prompting him to
transform)
SSJ Goku: 9000 (see what i did here???)

Problem fixed. Like this humans keeping up could have been justified thanks to Kaioken+Guru Power Up Combo. Humans would have been much weaker than SSJ and a little weaker than SSJ in the short bursts of Kaioken 20x, so SSJ would have
been superior in every way because of no stamina consumption and better uptime than Kaioken.

In addition, drop power levels like normal after Freeza, so then there are no more problems of keeping up and Toriyama
can readjust the numbers in his head on the fly.

Sense of tension and drama preserved, everything is the same except for a number crunch.
Also makes the training received in the original DB not seem so crappy compared to the DBZ training.

It's all in the numbers man.

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