Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
I know Android #17 said he held back against Future Gohan, but the next time they fought and Gohan had one arm he beat a combined blast of Android 17 and 18 together man... I think he became stronger than the individual androids after that. What do you think?
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
It's possible. I think Anime Future Gohan was more powerful than Manga Future Gohan, since he was able to put up a good fight against them there. In the Manga, #17 had overwhelmed Gohan with less than half of his power a yr before--and went on to finish Gohan by himself when he challenged him again. If he did receive a zenkai, I'm guessing it probably wasn't a huge one.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
I thought that, officially, you don't get zenkais after you become a Super Saiyan?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
That or they become so small you dont even realize it.RandomGuy96 wrote:I thought that, officially, you don't get zenkais after you become a Super Saiyan?
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
Well, I always thought the zenkai's were much smaller in contrast to the significant power-up's the Super Saiyans began to obtain through their training.
Edit: what he said.
Edit: what he said.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
It is stated that the near-death power-ups became insignificant after the fight with Freeza. No word about Super Saiyan being involved.RandomGuy96 wrote:I thought that, officially, you don't get zenkais after you become a Super Saiyan?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
I think that Anime Future Gohan got his last substantial Zenkai after losing his arm and so bet it all on his final battle with 17 & 18.
Re: Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
Maybe he did, but he said that he was training so that he wouldn't lose this time. In the manga this has 17 reveal he was using less than half his power anyway and killed him, but in the anime both Androids team up to kill him. So maybe his training just paid off.... kinda?
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
I want to add, the near-death power-ups apparently haven't disappeared completely, since Saiyans are also stated to get stronger as much as they fight in the manga (I guess the more beaten up you get from the fight, the bigger the boost, with staying near-dead giving the biggest boosts), and Toriyama said in a BoG interview that because of that, the gap between Goku & Beerus will get smaller, and maybe he will surpass him one day. So, I guess the power-ups have gotten much smaller than they were before, but they are still there. Except for Ultimate Gohan, since when he was healed, Boo said that his power didn't change.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It is stated that the near-death power-ups became insignificant after the fight with Freeza. No word about Super Saiyan being involved.RandomGuy96 wrote:I thought that, officially, you don't get zenkais after you become a Super Saiyan?
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Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P10.1-2
Context: Vegeta bragging to Dodoria about how he became stronger.
Vegeta: “Fuhahaha…! We Saiyans grow stronger each time we fight…! The stronger the opponent, the stronger we become…So I’m becoming stronger too…! I almost died on Earth, and have now vastly powered up…!”
Akira Toriyama wrote:I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
Also good to say that everyone can keep getting stronger. I guess the maximum strength thing meant, the maximum they had in the story at the time.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I want to add, the near-death power-ups apparently haven't disappeared completely, since Saiyans are also stated to get stronger as much as they fight in the manga (I guess the more beaten up you get from the fight, the bigger the boost, with staying near-dead giving the biggest boosts), and Toriyama said in a BoG interview that because of that, the gap between Goku & Beerus will get smaller, and maybe he will surpass him one day. So, I guess the power-ups have gotten much smaller than they were before, but they are still there. Except for Ultimate Gohan, since when he was healed, Boo said that his power didn't change.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It is stated that the near-death power-ups became insignificant after the fight with Freeza. No word about Super Saiyan being involved.RandomGuy96 wrote:I thought that, officially, you don't get zenkais after you become a Super Saiyan?
Quotes:Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P10.1-2
Context: Vegeta bragging to Dodoria about how he became stronger.
Vegeta: “Fuhahaha…! We Saiyans grow stronger each time we fight…! The stronger the opponent, the stronger we become…So I’m becoming stronger too…! I almost died on Earth, and have now vastly powered up…!”Akira Toriyama wrote:I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a Zankai?
I see this as more reactive adaptability than Zenkai.Akira Toriyama wrote:I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
Anime Future Gohan might have since he seemed to be near Android saga Goku and Vegeta level.
Manga Future Gohan isn't touching Trunks and Yardrat Goku.
Manga Future Gohan isn't touching Trunks and Yardrat Goku.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
Could someone remind me the difference between Anime & Manga Future Gohan? It's been some years since I watched the TV Special.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Did Future Gohan receive a near-death power-up?
Anime Future Gohan could take #17 one on one in a tough fight.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Could someone remind me the difference between Anime & Manga Future Gohan? It's been some years since I watched the TV Special.