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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:25 am

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Vegeta made it clear that he would have died if he had done so.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo jr » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:52 pm

SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buutenks

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:52 pm

Piccolo jr wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buutenks
Buutenks blows himself up, reforms some time later, then kills Goku and Vegeta.

That's just a last resort assuming he even needs to. Officially, and going by feats, SS3 Gogeta should be less than twice as strong as SS3 Gotenks.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo jr » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:54 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Piccolo jr wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buutenks
Buutenks blows himself up, reforms some time later, then kills Goku and Vegeta.
Buutenks was stated to be close to SSJ3 Gogeta so atleast he might give him a good fight.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Piccolo jr wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buutenks
Buutenks blows himself up, reforms some time later, then kills Goku and Vegeta.

That's just a last resort assuming he even needs to. Officially, and going by feats, SS3 Gogeta should be less than twice as strong as SS3 Gotenks.
Would that not put him around Base Vegito or Mystic Gohan?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Piccolo jr wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buutenks
Buutenks blows himself up, reforms some time later, then kills Goku and Vegeta.

That's just a last resort assuming he even needs to. Officially, and going by feats, SS3 Gogeta should be less than twice as strong as SS3 Gotenks.
Would that not put him around Base Vegito or Mystic Gohan?
Who, Gogeta? If you go by the guidebooks, he would only be around Gohan, since Goten and Trunks are as strong as CG Gohan, who is not much weaker than Buu arc Goku and Vegeta. Even if you ignore that and just go by feats in the series, SS3 Gogeta can still only be at best as strong as Buuhan, since Goten and Trunks are shown to be at least half the strength of Gohan and Vegeta before the ROSAT training.

We don't know how strong base Vegetto is. Despite what we're shown, his anime version is suggested at one point to be as strong as Buuhan, which would probably make him stronger than SS3 Gogeta.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:23 pm

Piccolo jr wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buutenks
I think Gogeta would be as strong as Gohan-Buu, so Gotenks-Buu would need to hold him off for 5 minutes(I believe all SS3s can only manage that), then Goku and Vegeta would be easy pickings.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:02 pm

Yajirobe vs Mr. Popo

Both in the Saiyan Saga.

Also: both of them vs 1 Saibaman

According to Weekly Jump, Yajirobe was 970 and Popo was 1,030. The Saibaman is 1,200.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:22 pm

I don't think Mr. Popo and Yajirobe were as strong as Yamcha in the Saiyan arc, and Yamcha was even with the Saibaman in hand to hand combat. It was only until Yamcha used the Kamehameha he gained the advantage. Not to mention the Saibaman had that acid attack while I don't recall Popo or Yajirobe ever using any Ki-based attacks. So unless they form a good enough of a strategy, I go with the Saibaman.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:58 pm

Yajirobe murders poor Mr. Popo and gets killed but a Saibamen.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:16 pm

My opinion: Popo overcomes Yajirobe due to tiny power advantage as well as better skills. Popo and Yajirobe together can just barley take a Saibaman (it's like two Saibamen vs Yamcha, or two King Colds vs 100% Freeza), but one of them might die if they're not careful.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:48 pm

Crane Hermit and Tao vs Tambourine
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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RandomGuy96 wrote:My opinion: Popo overcomes Yajirobe due to tiny power advantage as well as better skills. Popo and Yajirobe together can just barley take a Saibaman (it's like two Saibamen vs Yamcha, or two King Colds vs 100% Freeza), but one of them might die if they're not careful.
Basically, that's how I see it as well. Assuming Yajirobe isn't allowed his sword.
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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:31 pm

So you guys seriously take that 1,030 for Popo as canon?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:39 pm

For him after training with the humans, yes.
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Post by Kid Buu » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:40 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Crane Hermit and Tao vs Tambourine
Regular Tao or Cyborg Tao?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:51 pm

Kid Buu wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Crane Hermit and Tao vs Tambourine
Regular Tao or Cyborg Tao?
Regular, obviously. Cyborg would stomp Tambourine alone.
So you guys seriously take that 1,030 for Popo as canon?
After training with the humans? Sure, why not?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:21 am

Why not go and fight? He might actually helped Piccolo survive the fight. It just seems odd to me.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:22 am

Zombie wrote:Why not go and fight? He might actually helped Piccolo survive the fight. It just seems odd to me.
Why not give Goku a Magic Carpet so Goku can get to the fight straight away?

Popo has always been an asshole.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:24 am

Why not defeat King Piccolo?

Also, this one actually has a reason: one, he's a godly attendant, I imagine he's not allowed to directly interfere. Two, he'd just die. Even Chiaotzu would more useful than him despite being weaker.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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