Goku's mother...appearing soon?!

[SaiyanZ]

As long as Gine is not responsible for Goku's purity, I'm fine with it.

[TheGmGoken]

Now you're trying to make it overly specific, for one thing.

It's also worth noting that Toriyama actually did this sort of thing during the original serialization. Ranfan received a named husband, for example.

That's because I'm talking about scenarios like this ONLY. When we learn more about a character's parent that hasn't even been mentioned. Doing something during the original serialization is different from doing something 10+ years of the series being over. You would think that Toiryama would say something...well I don't know....YEARS AGO.

[samuraix123]

I just never watched the Bardock special in Japanese haha

Mate...watch that thing in Japanese. You'll never want to touch the English version again.

Do it. Do it NOW.

Not trying to go off topic but I just wanna respond to this real quick! I took you and Kei's advice and went and watched it in Japanese and I must say I highly enjoyed it! Bardock and everyone seems more mean. I loved Bardocks theme when he's fighting Freeza's men and Freeza himself. I do like the way Funimation handled some scenes though. I like how in the Dub when the guy was showing Bardock the future they told him ''A savior has been born! someone who will rid the world of evil like you'' and I like how when Bardock is on Namek and Goku told him ''It's not too late father to be different than him(Freeza) But Bardock is a completely different character in the Japanese version. Also he doesn't seem very intelligent? The way he pronounced Goku's name was like he was having trouble saying it? and when Tora was dying he didn't tell him ''Good luck old friend'' he just asked to be avenged! which was cool and I liked how Bardock told the rest of the saiyans ''To go to hell'' because they wouldn't believe him(Which was awesome!) But I really did enjoy it a-lot!
Continue on with the discussion of Goku's mom now.

[Eddie]

Now you're trying to make it overly specific, for one thing.

It's also worth noting that Toriyama actually did this sort of thing during the original serialization. Ranfan received a named husband, for example.

That's because I'm talking about scenarios like this ONLY. When we learn more about a character's parent that hasn't even been mentioned. Doing something during the original serialization is different from doing something 10+ years of the series being over. You would think that Toiryama would say something...well I don't know....YEARS AGO.

How is "We know one parent's name but not the other" a thing? Is "Character with green eyes and a monocle" a specific scenario? Would it be a faux pas to reveal that said character enjoys pistachios a decade later? How in the world would you come up with this idea that a fictional character can have a father named in a tv adaptation, yet he simply can't have his mother's name revealed? Who makes these rules?

[goku the krump dancer]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

[Zephyr]

As long as Gine is not responsible for Goku's purity, I'm fine with it.

Pretty much this.

They could add a dozen new specials pertaining to the history of the characters and events of the series, and there'd still be more than enough mystery left.

But I'll say that retconning Bardock to not die, somehow having him time travel, and have him turn out to be the original Super Saiyan was.......fucking stupid.

[penguintruth]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

Vegeta's kid brother that we never knew about, showed up once for a reunion special, and hasn't been seen since is a bit different than the main character's MOTHER.

[samuraix123]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

Haha me either! But I learned Dragonball fans will complain about anything. ANYTHING!

[Z-Dragon]

I wonder if Toriyama gives her the Raditz-like hairstyle? I mean, Goku got his hair from Bardock, Vegeta got his hair from King Vegeta, Goten got his hair from Goku, so why not Raditz get his hair from his mother? But if Gine's hairstyle would be much different from Raditz-like hairstyle, then that probably would make Raditz half-brother for some reason like another Saiyan woman who gave birth to him after Bardock accidentally made her pregnant due to being drunk or something before meeting Gine and Goku's born later in my opinion, but I guess it's just me.

[TheGmGoken]

Now you're trying to make it overly specific, for one thing.

It's also worth noting that Toriyama actually did this sort of thing during the original serialization. Ranfan received a named husband, for example.

That's because I'm talking about scenarios like this ONLY. When we learn more about a character's parent that hasn't even been mentioned. Doing something during the original serialization is different from doing something 10+ years of the series being over. You would think that Toiryama would say something...well I don't know....YEARS AGO.

How is "We know one parent's name but not the other" a thing? Is "Character with green eyes and a monocle" a specific scenario? Would it be a faux pas to reveal that said character enjoys pistachios a decade later? How in the world would you come up with this idea that a fictional character can have a father named in a tv adaptation, yet he simply can't have his mother's name revealed? Who makes these rules?

Almost EVERY FICTION has this. One parent for the main character. RARELY two. I'm watching an anime now that has only one Parent. It's a common theme and once it happens. Revealing the other parent it kinda pointless and irrelevant.
http://wrongeverytime.com/2014/01/15/wh ... e-parents/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 609AAA6I0f

My main issue is that Toriyama revealing important stuff(Yes the main character's parents are important) after the manga is over. We now got GOOD SAIYANS. Saiyan don't like fighting. Soft Saiyans. Saiyans who are pure heart. Goku isn't special no more. Goku as a character. His speech against Freeza. Fighting as an Earthling instead of a Saiyan. It shows how Goku is different from the Saiyan race. Yet here comes all these Saiyans who are SOFT, don't like fighting, and is pure heart. Goku isn't an outsider no more. He's just that weird group of Saiyans. The fact he even brought up Goku's mother after ALL these years is unnecessary.

[DerekPadula]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

It's because Tarble has no impact on anything, whether it be the story or other characters. You can remove Tarble from existence and it makes no difference. Gine on the other hand, might be a big deal.

To samuraix123, congrats on watching the Bardock episode in Japanese for the first time. I agree that it is exponentially better. Eventually you will assimilate to the Borg and only watch the series in Japanese.

[Eddie]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

Vegeta's kid brother that we never knew about, showed up once for a reunion special, and hasn't been seen since is a bit different than the main character's MOTHER.

You mean the kid brother that was also mentioned by name in the latest movie?
I fail to see how giving a name to a character that we already knew existed is some great evil. I think you're just trying to stir the pot.

And for the love of Dende, where do people come up with these supposed rules of fiction. For crying out loud...

[samuraix123]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

It's because Tarble has no impact on anything, whether it be the story or other characters. You can remove Tarble from existence and it makes no difference. Gine on the other hand, might be a big deal.

To samuraix123, congrats on watching the Bardock episode in Japanese for the first time. I agree that it is exponentially better. Eventually you will assimilate to the Borg and only watch the series in Japanese.

I've watched the Z series in Japanese. I just hate the muffled audio.

[Ringworm128]

I know, right? That would be like Wolverine getting his birth name confirmed in an origin series years decades after his debut. That would be like finding out who Obi-Wan Kenobi's master was over 20 years from the release of Star Wars. That would be like JK Rowling writing a screenplay about the Harry Potter world telling the untold story of some random fictional dude that wrote a textbook. Thank God fiction never does that.

And all of that was stupid. Just like this.

So expanding on a series is stupid? And did they actually ruin the story for you? Can you not watch A New Hope because knowing who Obi Wan's master was sucked all the fun out of the franchise? And why would Goku getting his personality from Gine be such a problem? It won't change the way Goku is, he'll still be the same character we all know and love. Does it matter where he got his personality from? Heck you might as well complain about Goku being an alien, I mean why couldn't he just be a human that had a tail? And him being the way he is because he hit his head? Wow, talk about jumping the shark.

[TheGmGoken]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

Vegeta's kid brother that we never knew about, showed up once for a reunion special, and hasn't been seen since is a bit different than the main character's MOTHER.

And for the love of Dende, where do people come up with these supposed rules of fiction. For crying out loud...

It's not a rule. It's a THEME that have been used for YEARS. I never said it was a rule so don't pass it as if I did.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I dont remember people reacting like this when Tarble was announced/revealed.

Vegeta's kid brother that we never knew about, showed up once for a reunion special, and hasn't been seen since is a bit different than the main character's MOTHER.

Really?

I don't get the impression that she's going to be appearing in any kind of grander context than what Tarble appeared in. Sure she's related to a more significant character, but it's not like they announced an 18-episode mini-series about her.

For that matter, they haven't announced anything, apart from her name. And yet based on that and some vague mentioning of her being "nice," people are making assumptions of how a previously unnamed character will ruin a franchise because they are now named.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

For that matter, they haven't announced anything, apart from her name. And yet based on that and some vague mentioning of her being "nice," people are making assumptions of how a previously unnamed character will ruin a franchise because they are now named.

Name, minor history and personality tibits and the fact that she will be appearing in the special chapter within Jaco's collected volume in April.

[TheBlackPaladin]

For that matter, they haven't announced anything, apart from her name. And yet based on that and some vague mentioning of her being "nice," people are making assumptions of how a previously unnamed character will ruin a franchise because they are now named.

Name, minor history and personality tibits and the fact that she will be appearing in the special chapter within Jaco's collected volume in April.

Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I still think that's not enough to be upset. Yet.

But let's say--worst-case scenario--that Goku did get some of his kindness from her. Would that be such a bad thing? From a certain angle, it would make more sense. If Goku were an "instinctively savage" Saiyan, then how would landing head-first on a rock completely get rid of his personality and replace it with something totally different? Sure, that's a fun, interesting, and unique idea from a story-telling perspective, but from a more logical angle, one could argue that it's somewhat implausible. If Goku were all savage, and completely unable to have any sort of kindness, then landing head-first on a rock as a baby should have theoretically just diminished his brain power (which it clearly did), not diminish his brain power and give him a completely new personality. Theoretically he should have woken from his coma and still been savage, just a much stupider savage.

The fact that he had it within him to even develop kindness suggests that there was some kindness there to begin with. Let's not forget that he was smiling and laughing as a baby at the end of the Bardock TV special, before he even fell and hit his head. Is it unlike a Saiayn (such as Gine, in this case) to have kindness? Certainly, but societies have often had rogue elements.

I could see it working in that getting hit on the head made Goku's brain forget certain instinctive elements of his personality, only retaining them on a basic level (clearly he loves to fight, and that's because he hasn't been able to suppress his Saiyan urges completely).

It would be logical and explainable. I think fans just don't like this (potential) explanation. That and Toei (or whoever's producing this new story) could totally screw up the presentation and make it a very stupid story with no depth because they want to cash in on a financially-reliable franchise. They've certainly done that before (Episode of Bardock). And even if the Saiyan society has rogue elements like it very well could, what I would have a hard time wrapping my head around is why Bardock would be attracted to a rogue element when he clearly isn't one.

[Hellspawn28]

Toriyama didn't care for what damn near 10 years? What makes him suddenly announce the name of Goku's mother.

Somebody asking him about it, apparently.

Most likely Bandai . It won't surprise me if the Jaco's collected volume comes with a DBH card of Gine.

[penguintruth]

For that matter, they haven't announced anything, apart from her name. And yet based on that and some vague mentioning of her being "nice," people are making assumptions of how a previously unnamed character will ruin a franchise because they are now named.

Name, minor history and personality tibits and the fact that she will be appearing in the special chapter within Jaco's collected volume in April.

Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I still think that's not enough to be upset. Yet.

But let's say--worst-case scenario--that Goku did get some of his kindness from her. Would that be such a bad thing? From a certain angle, it would make more sense. If Goku were an "instinctively savage" Saiyan, then how would landing head-first on a rock completely get rid of his personality and replace it with something totally different? Sure, that's a fun, interesting, and unique idea from a story-telling perspective, but from a more logical angle, one could argue that it's somewhat implausible.

implausible

Goku is the most implausible character in the entire franchise, including the gods. That's kind of his charm.

Him gaining his carefree, playful personality from falling from a great height and hitting his noggin is a perfect, quirky way to explain his quirky personality. Especially when it's kind of quietly explained and then never mentioned again, like it was a joke, even in a really serious situation.

"Uh yes, your murderous brother Raditz is right, you're an alien. Your grandpa dropped you, you fell into a ravine, hit your head, and you're kind of dim. Funny old thing, life. Well, now how about this murderous alien brother of yours?"

That's all needs. He's Son Goku, born of a rock. Like the Goku of legend.