Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

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Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:53 am

How come. Maybe Piccolo wasn't there long enough...but why would none of the other's learn at least the Kaio-Ken.
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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:16 pm

They sucked, whereas Goku didn't.
It seems the only thing they managed under the tutelage of Kaio was increasing their power.

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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by Pantalones » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:24 pm

As far as I'm aware, it's never said either way if the humans learned any new moves while they were there; they're never shown using the Kaio-Ken or Spirit Bomb, but then again there's not a lot of situations that would let them show off new moves after the Freeza saga anyway. Chiaotzu is never shown fighting again and Yamcha gets halfway killed before his only post-Freeza "fight" can even start (and during the one show-off-a-new-trick moment Tenshinhan does get, he shows off Shin Kikoho instead... which was probably a lot more impressive than just trying to Kaio-Ken-punch Cell would've been, anyway.)

I would assume Piccolo didn't learn either of them since he just wasn't there very long, though.

...Yamcha knowing Kaio-Ken would make his filler moment of beating Olibu a whole lot easier to take seriously, though.

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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by flashback0180 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:32 pm

Piccolo and others did learn, It was because of King kais training that they were able to easily defeat the Ginyu force on King kais planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Oj1Mv5aVY

Basically even yamcha became stronger than Vegeta because he single handedly defeated Recoome .. :)


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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by Kaboom » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:37 pm

Goku trained under Kaio with a specific end goal and time limit -- Nappa and Vegeta were going to arrive in less than a year, and he had to have a way to beat them by the time they did. I get the feeling that teaching him the Kaio-Ken and the Spirit Bomb, both of which are desperation techniques that only partially rely on the user's own power, was for the sake of him having a backup strategy in case the raw power he gained from training wasn't enough.

And that's how it actually worked out. Imagine if Goku didn't learn those techniques, instead just focusing more on training for power, and ended up with a power level of, like, 12,000 or something. He could still kick Nappa's ass, but he'd still be at a loss against Vegeta, and without the Kaio-Ken or Spirit Bomb he'd have no good way to make up for that.

Piccolo and the humans, meanwhile, have no such limitations or specific purpose in training. They're just there to get training because they heard that Goku did, and they want to get as strong as they can from it before they get wished back to life.
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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:51 pm

Piccolo did say that he could "amplify" his power whenever he fights. Whatever that means.
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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:53 pm

They probably thought it was better to focus on their power rather than learning any new techniques.

Kaio did talk to them about the Kaio-Ken, but he probably didn't think they had the discipline to learn it. He didn't even bother mentioning the Genki-Dama, which is why Piccolo was clueless about it.
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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by Vice » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:57 pm

They couldn't learn them because they were still Goku's thing, despite the fact that it would have been cool in the latter part of the series for Piccolo to have some sort of equalizer in the Kaio-Ken to help him at least stay competitive compared to the Saiyans.

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Re: Piccolo/Humans didn't learn any of Kaio's techniques?

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:59 am

I have this personal theory that Tenshinhan somehow channeled the Kaioken into his Shin Kikoho, explaining how he was able to pummel 2nd form Cell, when logic states that he was only a fraction of Cell's power.

If Tenshinhan's regular Kikoho amplifies his blasting ability by (eg.) 20x, a basic Kaioken would amplify it by double that.
Say Tenshinhan is 2,000,000, and 2nd form Cell is 1,500,000,000.

Regular kikoho could put him at puts him at 40,000,000 or whatever. Regular kaioken combined into his Kikoho at 80,000,000.

Kaioken x10 channeled into kikoho puts his each release of his kikoho at 800,000,000.

Of course it's simply a theory, but it seems to make sense since he's the only human whose ever seen to hold someone down who was beyond Super Saiyan level.
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