Vegeta is getting soft

[DBZ Mick]

As others have said it's character development. If it wasn't for his development/arc during the Boo arc I'd find it hard to like Vegeta- apart from being a great villian from the Saiyan to Freeza arcs. His arc during the Boo arc made me find newfound respect and admiration for him. I also quite like his comedic side in the Jump special and here.

And besides you clearly don't know WHY he is dancing in this moment.

He's trying to keep Beers/Beerus entertained because he could snap at any moment (I believe Beerus/Beers was getting restless and bored at this moment) and blow up the Earth. And Beers/Beerus is in another dimension beyond any of the Z Warriors in strength, so Vegeta just leaps into this dance to keep him sidetracked (you can also tell Vegeta hates having to resort to this as well).

[penguintruth]

No, DBZ Movie 8, that was a soft Vegeta.

BoG Vegeta was POWAA OF LABUUU Vegeta, which is still bullshit, but at least consistent.

Also, FFS, OP, spelling, grammar, etc.

[tx3]

i dont know about all that i did not watch the movies ...because toriyama was not involved in them, as far as i know (it's reflected in the quality)..that's actually the only reason i watched Battle of Gods ..i did read somewhere that he is kinda working on this project in some way.

i am not complaining about that a character has a development...it more like HOW is changed or what they made with him and

change isn't a good thing all the time ..look at star wars.

my opinion remains the same ..they messed up Vegeta!
and the Movie sucks lol

if you guys like it i am happy for you, but i wont find anymore fun on series

[ChiChiFan]

I haven't seen the movie but I'm glad Vegeta changed for the better. At some point, you must grow up and learn to care about other people than just yourself. I've never been a Vegeta fan and never will but I can give credit when it's due. Him hating on Goku and always talking about how he's the best got annoying after a while so I'm glad he did change towards the Buu saga. It's not being soft, it's called growing up.

[tx3]

I haven't seen the movie but I'm glad Vegeta changed for the better. At some point, you must grow up and learn to care about other people than just yourself. I've never been a Vegeta fan and never will but I can give credit when it's due. Him hating on Goku and always talking about how he's the best got annoying after a while so I'm glad he did change towards the Buu saga. It's not being soft, it's called growing up.

lol yeah chichi fan hahaha...u must be the right one to judge what is good and what bad

[coola]

From what we seen in Freeza Saga and DBZ Movie 8, Vegeta can be very emotional, he can sense energy, so he know how powerful Beerus is, add also that emotional scar, when he was a witness of how Beerus treat his father, so i can see Vegeta putting his pride aside, his family was nearby, and Beerus could easily kill them.

[Blade]

bad writting
bad script
bad story

Aren't they all more or less the same thing in the given context? Also, the first thing you listed brought a smile to my face through ironic value - so thanks for that .

[Darknat]

I don't remember Dragon Ball being that much about how muscular characters are.

Toriyama always does the little guy or not very musuclar guy as the strong one: Jackie Chun, Shen, Vegeta, Freeza, #17, Cell's final form, Buu (fat and kid versions)...

So SSGod is no surprise for me. It's the trend both Toriyama and Dragon ball take.

About Vegeta, as everyone says, thats the evolution and characterization of the character. In my opinion he was annoying during the Cell saga and I started to like the character way more during the Buu saga. Even the movies reflect their change of heart. In the Hildegarn movie he risks his live to save some people in a building. In contrast during the Cell saga he fights #18 without caring about anyone else (in the manga he just kills a truck driver, in the anime he also fights in a highway killing a lot of people without any remorse). It's interesting to see how the character evolves through his family ties during the story. It's more or less the same that happened with Piccolo.


Finally, Battle of Gods was not supposed to be anykind of masterpiece in storytelling. It was a celebration and homage to Dragon Ball. Even the Pilaf gang appeared and was a great addition to the movie. Birusu was not really a bad character at all, and Uisu was very funny. Dragon Ball started as a gag manga, and Toriyama clearly likes the gag part over the action part. I really think that lately the franchise has managed to mix both aspects quite well. If anything, maybe they should stop the celebration/reunion plots a bit, but even if they don't I'll be ok with it.

[tx3]

bad writting
bad script
bad story

Aren't they all more or less the same thing in the given context? Also, the first thing you listed brought a smile to my face through ironic value - so thanks for that .

yeah u kinda right iam not a nativ speaker english is my fourth language i try to get better i never spell check writing on the phone, to hard to read lol, what i meant is the story ..the way the stroy is told and the dialogs


to come back to topic, for all u argue that he behave totally normal in that situation.u could easy write a different senario where
you dont sell him for cheap, by making him do things off character ..that are not even funny. it's like letting darth vader dance to get a cheap laughter.---> Bad writing.

instead doing shit like this what is forced they should have let it flow naturally.

[GsTvo]

Funny how people complain about this but now about how he was so scared of Broly in movie 8.

Exactly! People said: "Fuck that movie, Vegeta is a coward and further humiliated!", but Broly didn't humbled Vegeta? Bojack didn't humbled Vegeta?

But if you don't like the movies, in Freeza's arc, Vegeta didn't cry? For his pride, but he is baby after that? No. Vegeta isn't a "good" guy now, he just realize that exist some guys more powerfull than him, and he learn to accept it. That's character development.

I have criticized several things from the movie (SSJ God, animation, etc.) but as a Vegeta fan, I liked his role in the movie, it's diferent, funny and argued.

[DonZ]

He's not a coward at all, he realized how strong Beers is, so he did that to calm him down. all for the sake of his family so Beers won't destroy the earth. if it was the Saiyan and Freeza arc Vegeta i would call it an out-of character act. but after his character development he changed a lot. now he cares about people around him.

[tx3]

again i am against this character development ..i think they went in the wrong direction with him

i am not against char. development as a way of telling a story. I repeat i am against what they made out of him

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Funny how people complain about this but now about how he was so scared of Broly in movie 8.

He had every right to be. Broly was the very thing he was raised to fear and envy in person, the personafication of the legend he heard... but at least he didnt kiss up to him, thats the difference.

[tx3]

Exactly! People said: "Fuck that movie, Vegeta is a coward and further humiliated!", but Broly didn't humbled Vegeta? Bojack didn't humbled Vegeta?

But if you don't like the movies, in Freeza's arc, Vegeta didn't cry? For his pride, but he is baby after that? No. Vegeta isn't a "good" guy now, he just realize that exist some guys more powerfull than him, and he learn to accept it. That's character development.

thats what i am talking about the whole time! there is good writing and there is cheap bad writing...his fighting spirit was broken he cried! thats a thing i can accept! a logic step!
but dancing and doing crap like this .which is so far away from what Vegeta really does, it's like i said hey guys u know what let's make this series more appelle to kids and woman, they made him soft so that chichi fan also like him ...but that actually killed him...i showed this scene to friends ..total neutral ..and all were like: "get the F*uck out of here, with this Gay shit! Vegeta would never do that, that's some faggot sh*t" (Harsh words lol but thats what they said) and iam like yeeeeaaahh riiggghht !!!...there are still some reasonable guys out there, i am happy!

i will leave this forum cause i did not found just one real man here, i wish you guys all the best maybe Pan or chichi get's a film you guys like lol have fun..i wish dragonball dont kill itself ..but i am pessimistic the guys whole likes this movie already helps them to kill Dragonball.....wow i just got real emotional :/ i am sorrs have a good night ..and if its day for you ..a nice day.

sorry for error in spelling.

[Nanotchi]

i will leave this forum cause i did not found just one real man here, i wish you guys all the best maybe Pan or chichi get's a film you guys like lol have fun..i wish dragonball dont kill itself ..but i am pessimistic the guys whole likes this movie already helps them to kill Dragonball.....wow i just got real emotional :/ i am sorrs have a good night ..and if its day for you ..a nice day.

sorry for error in spelling.

Real man? Kill DragonBall? The manga that had always had a lot of humor to the characters even in the most serious moments?

[The Tori-bot]

Is this a sequel to the "How did Bulma survive Vegeta?" thread?

... I'll get my coat.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Funny how people complain about this but now about how he was so scared of Broly in movie 8.

He had every right to be. Broly was the very thing he was raised to fear and envy in person, the personafication of the legend he heard... but at least he didnt kiss up to him, thats the difference.

And Beerus was using his dad as a footstool...

[DBZ Mick]

Exactly! People said: "Fuck that movie, Vegeta is a coward and further humiliated!", but Broly didn't humbled Vegeta? Bojack didn't humbled Vegeta?

But if you don't like the movies, in Freeza's arc, Vegeta didn't cry? For his pride, but he is baby after that? No. Vegeta isn't a "good" guy now, he just realize that exist some guys more powerfull than him, and he learn to accept it. That's character development.

thats what i am talking about the whole time! there is good writing and there is cheap bad writing...his fighting spirit was broken he cried! thats a thing i can accept! a logic step!
but dancing and doing crap like this .which is so far away from what Vegeta really does, it's like i said hey guys u know what let's make this series more appelle to kids and woman, they made him soft so that chichi fan also like him ...but that actually killed him...i showed this scene to friends ..total neutral ..and all were like: "get the F*uck out of here, with this Gay shit! Vegeta would never do that, that's some faggot sh*t" (Harsh words lol but thats what they said) and iam like yeeeeaaahh riiggghht !!!...there are still some reasonable guys out there, i am happy!

i will leave this forum cause i did not found just one real man here, i wish you guys all the best maybe Pan or chichi get's a film you guys like lol have fun..i wish dragonball dont kill itself ..but i am pessimistic the guys whole likes this movie already helps them to kill Dragonball.....wow i just got real emotional :/ i am sorrs have a good night ..and if its day for you ..a nice day.

sorry for error in spelling.

Once again, you clearly don't know the context of the scene in which Vegeta is dancing. Maybe if you knew why you'd understand why he is dancing.

[KentalSSJ6]

Exactly! People said: "Fuck that movie, Vegeta is a coward and further humiliated!", but Broly didn't humbled Vegeta? Bojack didn't humbled Vegeta?

But if you don't like the movies, in Freeza's arc, Vegeta didn't cry? For his pride, but he is baby after that? No. Vegeta isn't a "good" guy now, he just realize that exist some guys more powerfull than him, and he learn to accept it. That's character development.

thats what i am talking about the whole time! there is good writing and there is cheap bad writing...his fighting spirit was broken he cried! thats a thing i can accept! a logic step!
but dancing and doing crap like this .which is so far away from what Vegeta really does, it's like i said hey guys u know what let's make this series more appelle to kids and woman, they made him soft so that chichi fan also like him ...but that actually killed him...i showed this scene to friends ..total neutral ..and all were like: "get the F*uck out of here, with this Gay shit! Vegeta would never do that, that's some faggot sh*t" (Harsh words lol but thats what they said) and iam like yeeeeaaahh riiggghht !!!...there are still some reasonable guys out there, i am happy!

i will leave this forum cause i did not found just one real man here, i wish you guys all the best maybe Pan or chichi get's a film you guys like lol have fun..i wish dragonball dont kill itself ..but i am pessimistic the guys whole likes this movie already helps them to kill Dragonball.....wow i just got real emotional :/ i am sorrs have a good night ..and if its day for you ..a nice day.

sorry for error in spelling.

Not to mini-mod here but using gay as a insult or in any derogatory manner is unacceptable. Same thing goes for using "faggot" in a harmful, insulting, and/or derogatory manner. I realize you don't like what the movie did to Vegeta but that in no way gives you the right to use those words in the way you did. Please make it a habit to shy away from using them in that fashion on this forum and anywhere else for that matter.

[tx3]

Exactly! People said: "Fuck that movie, Vegeta is a coward and further humiliated!", but Broly didn't humbled Vegeta? Bojack didn't humbled Vegeta?

But if you don't like the movies, in Freeza's arc, Vegeta didn't cry? For his pride, but he is baby after that? No. Vegeta isn't a "good" guy now, he just realize that exist some guys more powerfull than him, and he learn to accept it. That's character development.

thats what i am talking about the whole time! there is good writing and there is cheap bad writing...his fighting spirit was broken he cried! thats a thing i can accept! a logic step!
but dancing and doing crap like this .which is so far away from what Vegeta really does, it's like i said hey guys u know what let's make this series more appelle to kids and woman, they made him soft so that chichi fan also like him ...but that actually killed him...i showed this scene to friends ..total neutral ..and all were like: "get the F*uck out of here, with this Gay shit! Vegeta would never do that, that's some faggot sh*t" (Harsh words lol but thats what they said) and iam like yeeeeaaahh riiggghht !!!...there are still some reasonable guys out there, i am happy!

i will leave this forum cause i did not found just one real man here, i wish you guys all the best maybe Pan or chichi get's a film you guys like lol have fun..i wish dragonball dont kill itself ..but i am pessimistic the guys whole likes this movie already helps them to kill Dragonball.....wow i just got real emotional :/ i am sorrs have a good night ..and if its day for you ..a nice day.

sorry for error in spelling.

Not to mini-mod here but using gay as a insult or in any derogatory manner is unacceptable. Same thing goes for using "faggot" in a harmful, insulting, and/or derogatory manner. I realize you don't like what the movie did to Vegeta but that in no way gives you the right to use those words in the way you did. Please make it a habit to shy away from using them in that fashion on this forum and anywhere else for that matter.

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