Unpopular DB opinions

[Ninja Murasaki]

What the hell? Where does it say that? It says that he's "not good" around women, and that he's "nervous" around a non-ideal partner, but that doesn't mean he can't have an affair at all. That's preposterous. So no, there is no direct contradiction to Yamcha being an adulterer.

Trunks words were that Yamcha was a playboy. How can Yamcha have been a playboy or have sexual relations with multiple women considering his affliction.

How can Yamcha cheat if he's so nervous around females that he can't even be around women? That doesn't make any sense.

Really? Cause it seems like you're trying to say that you know more about the story than the author does.

You rather openly bashed Yamcha and don't accept other opinions. You also ignore Toriyama himself calling Yamcha, a "the worlds greatest Bro" and the like.

Not to mention that interview, you keep citing is Second hand.

[RandomGuy96]

Trunks words were that Yamcha was a playboy. How can Yamcha have been a playboy or have sexual relations with multiple women considering his affliction.

It says that he's not self-confident and "not good" with women. That in no way means that he can't have sex with multiple women. You don't have to be "good" or confident to do that.

You rather openly bashed Yamcha and don't accept other opinions. You also ignore Toriyama himself calling Yamcha, a "the worlds greatest Bro" and the like.

Again, you're going to have to specify.

Yeah, I don't accept other opinions when they contradict the author of the story. I don't see what's wrong with that. I don't get what him being a 'bro' has to do with adultery. If anything that makes it sound worse, lol.

[Ninja Murasaki]

What the hell? Where does it say that? It says that he's "not good" around women, and that he's "nervous" around a non-ideal partner, but that doesn't mean he can't have an affair at all, or can "barley function". That's preposterous. He doesn't have to be good around women or confident around them just to get some sex, since some would throw themselves at him. It's not "impossible" at all. So no, there is no direct contradiction to Yamcha being an adulterer.

If he can't even handle being around or acting as a host to women, can you going out to have sex with other women with that attitude. It doesn't make any sense.

Really? Cause it seems like you're trying to say that you know more about the story than the author does.

You call Yamcha, a jerk, just a few pages back in, when the authors calls him a great guy. Again, that info is contradicted by that interview, and your cited interview is second hand.

Earlier, you just made some posts in this topic that blatantly bashed Yamcha

A few pages back, you said Yamcha deserved to be bashed because he was a jerk who tried to kill starving kids among other things.

[RandomGuy96]

If he can't even handle being around or acting as a host to women, can you going out to have sex with other women with that attitude. It doesn't make any sense.

Again, the women can come to him. Guys who aren't self-confident and "not good" with women can still score tons of poontang. I know at least two people in real life where this is the case. These is no direct contradiction here, no matter how much you want there to be one.

You call Yamcha, a jerk, just a few pages back in, when the authors calls him a great guy. Again, that info is contradicted by that interview, and your cited interview is second hand.

A few pages back, you said Yamcha deserved to be bashed because he was a jerk who tried to kill starving kids among other things.

Well, you know, that's exactly what he did. But please give me an exact page, I don't want to go flipping through this thread again.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Again, the women can come to him. Guys who aren't self-confident can still score tons of poontang. These is no direct contradiction here, no matter how much you want there to be one.

Its a pretty strong contradiction to the Yamcha is a playboy/womanizer idea.

Yes, women can come onto Yamcha, we've seen that before, but him actually going and sleeping with her is pretty impossible with his circumstances.

Well, you know, that's exactly what he did. But please give me an exact page, I don't want to go flipping through this thread again.

95-97

Except, you heavily black washed his actions in those descriptions. Yamcha knew Goku was Gohan's grandson, and even put away his gun and sword specifically because he respected a fellow martial artist.

You also neglected to mention that the series was also a half comedy then, everyone had a goofy introduction, and everyone tried to kill or hurt Goku, even Bulma shot him in the head.

[RandomGuy96]

Its a pretty strong contradiction to the Yamcha is a playboy/womanizer idea.

Yes, women can come onto Yamcha, we've seen that before, but him actually going and sleeping with her is pretty impossible with his circumstances.

Insert Rod A into Slot B.

95-97

Except, you heavily black washed his actions in those descriptions. Yamcha knew Goku was Gohan's grandson, and even put away his gun and sword specifically because he respected a fellow martial artist.

You also neglected to mention that the series was also a half comedy then, everyone had a goofy introduction, and everyone tried to kill or hurt Goku, even Bulma shot him in the head.

If you were to ask me, I'd also say that teenage Bulma was a sociopath. And I don't care if Yamcha did that, he still tried to murder a starving kid. I just don't like when Yamcha gets called a "nice guy", because he's really not. He's not evil, but he's not great either.

Upon checking 95 and 96, I see that I didn't even mention Yamcha there. I did on 97, but there I only pointed out that Yamcha isn't just a victim of circumstance, which was just a correction, not really bashing.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Insert Rod A into Slot B.

Considering Yamcha's affliction, he'd panic and run if they got to the bedroom.

If you were to ask me, I'd also say that teenage Bulma was a sociopath. And I don't care if Yamcha did that, he still tried to murder a starving kid. I just don't like when Yamcha gets called a "nice guy", because he's really not. He's not evil, but he's not great either.

Toriyama has directly called Yamcha, a "Nice Guy", and similar therms.We've seen Yamcha be forgiving and self sacrificing towards his friends on a constant basis.

You said "I'd buy that if he were only the victim of circumstance and was actually a great guy otherwise, but I most often see him bashed when he looks pathetic or stupid himself, which is a lot (his fear of girls, picking fights with starving children, arrogantly declaring he can take all six Saibamen then losing to one, cheating on his rich and beautiful and girlfriend and then losing her to the guy who killed him)."

Among other things.

Those were all bashing.

[Kid Buu]

Link to interview where Toriyama called Yamcha a nice guy?

By the way, being called a nice guy is generally the worst compliment someone can give, from my experience.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Link to interview where Toriyama called Yamcha a nice guy?

He's called Yamcha, a true and loyal friend in a few of the Bog interviews, the website for BoG, and such.

By the way, being called a nice guy is generally the worst compliment someone can give, from my experience.

I'm not talking about people with entitlement issues.

[RandomGuy96]

Considering Yamcha's affliction, he'd panic and run if they got to the bedroom.

Toriyama never said that. You're assuming things again.

Toriyama has directly called Yamcha, a "Nice Guy", and similar therms.We've seen Yamcha be forgiving and self sacrificing towards his friends on a constant basis.

We've also seen him be murderous, greedy, selfish, cowardly, and above all arrogant. A really nice person wouldn't have all of these flaws.

You said "I'd buy that if he were only the victim of circumstance and was actually a great guy otherwise, but I most often see him bashed when he looks pathetic or stupid himself, which is a lot (his fear of girls, picking fights with starving children, arrogantly declaring he can take all six Saibamen then losing to one, cheating on his rich and beautiful and girlfriend and then losing her to the guy who killed him)."

Among other things.

Those were all bashing.

Yeah, I did. Because those are all things he did, and all things he gets bashed for, which I was pointing out when Gyt made it sound like he was awesome and was just a victim of circumstance.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Toriyama never said that. You're assuming things again.

We've already seen how Yamcha acts around women with his affliction. He wasn't even able to be a host to women, as that interview explained.

We've also seen him be murderous, greedy, selfish, cowardly, and above all arrogant. A really nice person wouldn't have all of these flaws.

Actually, Yamcha's pretty saintly compared to most of the cast. Murderous is pretty debatable, as he mainly seemed to want to hurt Goku and others in the beginning. Greedy and selfish, yeah he was a thief. Again, these are all flaws he only showed in his teenage years, its been decades since then.

Yamcha's arrogance is much less pronounced then many of the other characters, and he's only arrogant to people he's fighting. All things considered, he's practically as humble as Goku when it comes to forgiving people who've wronged him.

Yeah, I did. Because those are all things he did, and all things he gets bashed for, which I was pointing out when Gyt made it sound like he was awesome and was just a victim of circumstance.

You're bashing him right now. And again, you aren't providing real evidence that he deserves all that.

[RandomGuy96]

We've already seen how Yamcha acts around women with his affliction. He wasn't even able to be a host to women, as that interview explained.

Again, what part of "he can still fuck 'em" do you not understand?

Actually, Yamcha's pretty saintly compared to most of the cast. Murderous is pretty debatable, as he mainly seemed to want to hurt Goku and others in the beginning. Greedy and selfish, yeah he was a thief. Again, these are all flaws he only showed in his teenage years, its been decades since then.

Actually, considering how he probably killed many people as a desert bandit (he attacked with lethal weaponry, and Puar was expecting him to kill Goku and co), the only one worse than Yamcha on the team would be Vegeta and maybe Mr. Buu. Krillin was just kind of a jerk, Bulma tried to kill Goku (and even that was kind of an accident), Ten only broke a guy's leg, Piccolo just tried to kill Goku (so did Yamcha), Chiaotzu again was just a jerk and a cheater, 18 just defended herself against Vegeta and said she was going to kill Goku (never actually tried, unlike Yamcha), and Gohan never did anything bad.

Yamcha's arrogance is much less pronounced then many of the other characters, and he's only arrogant to people he's fighting. All things considered, he's practically as humble as Goku when it comes to forgiving people who've wronged him.

His arrogance is what fans remember though. That's why he's bashed.

You're bashing him right now. And again, you aren't providing real evidence that he deserves all that.

To bash him, what I'm saying would have to be exaggerated or false.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Again, what part of "he can still fuck 'em" do you not understand?

Again, what of "He wouldn't be able to fuck them with his phobia" do you not understand.

Actually, considering how he probably killed many people as a desert bandit.

Citation needed.

With Yamcha's strength compared to most people, especially in Diablo Desert, he could just take things with his intimidation factor alone. Its never mentioned or alluded at all that Yamcha has killed anyone.

Krillin was just kind of a jerk.

Krillin cut the bridge Goku was on when they were competing to be Master Roshi's student. I guess Krillin has killed dozens of other rival students offscreen.

Bulma tried to kill Goku (and even that was kind of an accident),

Do note, Yamcha put away his guns when fighting Goku, wanting an honorable fight.

Bulma immediately shot him in the head.

Ten only broke a guy's leg

And was a trained assassin, as was Chaozu.

Ten says at that point, he was no qualms about killing his enemies.

Piccolo just tried to kill Goku (so did Yamcha)

Explicitly tried to kill Goku unlike Yamcha. Also planned to take over the world.

18 just defended herself against Vegeta and said she was going to kill Goku (never actually tried, unlike Yamcha)

18 was working for a mad scientist who was going to take over the world.

Again, Yamcha didn't explicitly try to kill Goku.

and Gohan never did anything bad.

True, he's one of the nicest characters in the series.

His arrogance is what fans remember though. That's why he's bashed.

Only because they specifically choose to remember only those parts.

To bash him, what I'm saying would have to be exaggerated or false.

As I explained, those were all heavily exaggerated.

[Kid Buu]

Yamcha's Top 5 Greatest Accomplishments

1.) First character to get Girlfriend
2.) Led the gang in the latter Red Ribbon Army Arc
3.) Defeated The Invisible Man
4.) First human to learn the Kamehameha
5.) First character to get a job

[RandomGuy96]

Again, what of "He wouldn't be able to fuck them with his phobia" do you not understand.

The part where that's not stated anywhere.

Citation needed.

With Yamcha's strength compared to most people, especially in Diablo Desert, he could just take things with his intimidation factor alone. Its never mentioned or alluded at all that Yamcha has killed anyone.

He attacked with a sword and rocket launcher, and Puar was expecting him to kill Goku.

Krillin cut the bridge Goku was on when they competing to be Master Roshi's student. I guess Krillin has killed dozens of other rival students offscreen.

Did he?

Do note, Yamcha put away his guns when fighting Goku, wanting an honorable fight.

Bulma immediately shot him in the head.

So? He still tried to kill Goku. Bulma hit him with her car, which was an accident, then shot him because she was intimidated by him smashing a rock.

And was a trained assassin, as was Chaozu.

Ten says at that point, he was no qualms about killing his enemies.

He was training to be an assassin, but at that point he hadn't actually killed anybody.

Explicitly tried to kill Goku unlike Yamcha. Also planned to take over the world.

Yamcha tried to kill Goku, and was going to until Bulma walked in. Never took over the world even when had the chance.

18 was working for a mad scientist who was going to take over the world.

Again, Yamcha didn't explicitly try to kill Goku.

You have a funny way of saying "killed".

Yeah, he did. Puar was expecting him to and he was going to until Bulma stepped in. Also, what's the sword for?\

Only because they specifically choose to remember only those parts.

Because it's what sticks out the most. Also, Yamcha is fun to mock.

Many fans also didn't see the original Dragon Ball, so all they saw Yamcha do was die to a Saibaman and then get one-shotted by Gero. Then get casually killed off-screen by Buu.

As I explained, those were all heavily exaggerated.

I just pointed out things he did. I didn't exaggerate.

1.) First character to get Girlfriend
2.) Led the gang in the latter Red Ribbon Army Arc
3.) Defeated The Invisible Man
4.) First human to learn the Kamehameha
5.) First character to get a job

1. Cheated on and lost his girlfriend
2. Don't know a lot about that
3. Had help
4. Has the weakest Kamehameha in the series (it couldn't even take down someone way weaker than him with a direct off guard hit; Krillin's generic ki blasts > Yamcha's Kamehameha)
5. Got fired from his job according to Toriyama

Real Top 5 Great Accomplishments:

1. Fought a starving child to a draw
2. Beat up a little girl
3. Got killed by a Saibaman (hey, at least the Saibaman died too)
4. Punched a dog
5. Presuambly greatly weakened Buu after being consumed, giving Gohan and Gotenks a chance

[ABED]

Season 3 Schemmel was better than Kelamis.

[Kid Buu]

1. Cheated on and lost his girlfriend
2. Don't know a lot about that
3. Had help
4. Has the weakest Kamehameha in the series (it couldn't even take down someone way weaker than him with a direct off guard hit; Krillin's generic ki blasts > Yamcha's Kamehameha)
5. Got fired from his job according to Toriyama

Real biggest achievements:

1. Fought a starving child to a draw
2. Beat up a little girl
3. Got killed by a Saibaman (hey, at least the Saibaman died too)
4. Punched a dog
5. Presuambly greatly weakened Buu after being consumed, giving Gohan and Gotenks a chance

I was kidding, but people tend to forget he was initially going to beat the Invisible Man before Baba started singing. So I'd still give that one to him. Also, when did he punch a dog?

[Kamiccolo9]

1. Cheated on and lost his girlfriend
2. Don't know a lot about that
3. Had help
4. Has the weakest Kamehameha in the series (it couldn't even take down someone way weaker than him with a direct off guard hit; Krillin's generic ki blasts > Yamcha's Kamehameha)
5. Got fired from his job according to Toriyama

Real biggest achievements:

1. Fought a starving child to a draw
2. Beat up a little girl
3. Got killed by a Saibaman (hey, at least the Saibaman died too)
4. Punched a dog
5. Presuambly greatly weakened Buu after being consumed, giving Gohan and Gotenks a chance

I was kidding, but people tend to forget he was initially going to beat the Invisible Man before Baba started singing. So I'd still give that one to him. Also, when did he punch a dog?

He was only beating the Invisible Man because of Roshi bleeding all over him though.

[RandomGuy96]

Didn't he beat up Pilaf's dogs?

I also like to consider the filler fight with the Ginyus in my personal canon, because it throws those poor sods a bone and doesn't actually contradict anything (and is kinda sorta supported in the same V-Jump issue that gives power levels for Krillin, Gohan, Vegeta, KK x2 Goku, and 2nd form Freeza).

Yeah I know, mocking Yamcha's just fun. Like saying his second biggest achievement is beating up a little girl. Which it is, really, or at least in the top 5 without counting filler.

[Ninja Murasaki]

The part where that's not stated anywhere.

Except we've seen how Yamcha acts around women he's phobic around, and that interview said

He attacked with a sword and rocket launcher, and Puar was expecting him to kill Goku.

The sword he put away when he got serious, indicating it was mainly used for intimidation. The Rocket Launcher was specifically used to disable their vehicle, Yamcha even puts away his guns when Goku steps out.

Puar, who was only a child lower then age 10, asked Yamcha to "Kick their butts" in retribution for Oolong's bullying of him.

Did he?

He did, when they were competing for the stone.

So? He still tried to kill Goku. Bulma hit him with her car, which was an accident, then shot him because she was intimidated by him smashing a rock.

You still haven't proved that he was trying to kill Goku.

He was training to be an assassin, but at that point he hadn't actually killed anybody.

Proof needed.

This perfectly shows your bias against Yamcha. You say he a bandit in his mid teens had killed a dozen people, yet claim Tenshinhan, a Assassin in his 20s, had most certainly never killed anyone.

Basically, you're going out of your way to negatively portray Yamcha.

Yamcha tried to kill Goku, and was going to until Bulma walked in. Never took over the world even when had the chance.

Citation needed again.

Actually, Piccolo was planning to do that after killing Goku. Its even mentioned he's a threat to everyone at the tournament.

Yeah, he did. Puar was expecting him to and he was going to until Bulma stepped in. Also, what's the sword for?\

Puar was a very young child and asked Yamcha to bully them for revenge against Oolong as explained earlier.

The Sword wasn't used really to fight, as I explained earlier. It was used to intimidate travelers.

Because it's what sticks out the most. Also, Yamcha is fun to mock.

It isn't, really.

Also there's a difference between occasionally joking about a character, and going out of the way to portray them in a bad light.

I just pointed out things he did. I didn't exaggerate.

As I explained right here, you heavily exaggerated.