Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Gyt Kaliba]

I never thought I'd meet someone who disliked Pilaf. I mean, yeah, I can see the argument of hating his use in this movie, but hating the character outright...he's one of my favorite villains honestly.

[Bullza]

Of course its going to be like a reunion, the last film was what, around 15 years ago?

It's not like the characters had been away though, they keep making games, Kai, they made specials. They've always been about so having a reunion is pointless, the Yo Goku special already had the same reunion plot. It's just covering the same ground.

For Piccolo its not much different than playing babysitter for the boys in the Buu saga or a certain filler involving cars.

Those scenes were funny because they played on Piccolo character not being like that at all. He wasn't a background character in those scenes and the movie isn't filler.

Piccolo is a great character and a very popular one and they'd made him a background character like #18 now, he shouldn't be singing karaoke and he shouldn't only have one line.

The humor was great and felt like actual Dragonball humor. Yeah Pilaf and co do drag on abit but the scenes that were funny, were really funny. Also, Dragonball has always been intended for children from the get go.

It was early Dragon Ball type of humour in a DBZ movie, that kind of humour thankfully died off a lot in DBZ before the Buu saga unfortunately brought it back. Dragon Ball may be intended for children but it's also for people up to 30 to enjoy, the humour here was too kiddy and there was just too much of it.

Pilaf belongs in Dragon Ball when it was a gag manga why bring him back now and give him and the others more screentime and dialogue than Piccolo, Krillin and Gohan put together? It's stupid, nobody watched DBZ to see them.

The Kaioshin dont know when Beerus (yes, its not Bills) wakes until he actually wakes. Beerus could sleep for 50 years then wake up a week later for all we know.

No but they know of him, Vegeta knows of him but everyone prances around like Goku, Gohan or Buu were the strongest in the universe without anyone saying "Well actually there's this one guy..."

Elder Kai should have been the only one to know of Bills if someone had to know.

Seeing as this is a few years after Buu, nothing says Kaio's planet could have been brought back with a wish.

Exactly nothing says that. They could have at least taken a second to clear it up.

Vegeta was one of the few who actually had a grasp of what Beerus is capable of, why wouldn't he scared of him?

All he saw him do was beat up his father that's nothing he couldn't have done back in the Saiyan saga yet it someone scares him.

Its been explained multiple times that due to Goku being a fighting genius, he managed to somehow absorb SSJG permanently into his body.

I know that was the explanation but they hyped this movie up with the God form, the film recieved far more interest because of it and all that happens is that Goku uses the form for a few minutes then reverts to his SSJ form for the latter half of the fight where he wasn't clearly
losing.

Its still one of the longest DBZ movies we have had.

Well there is that but it should have been longer. It was 85 minutes. One Piece Film Z was 108 minutes, Naruto Road to Ninja was 109 minutes, Bleach Hell Verse was 94 minutes, HXH Phantom Rouge was 97 minutes.

It'd have done wonders for the film if it were 20 mins longer.

[Retan]

I don't really want this movie out in U.S Movie theaters, as much like Evolution, this movie will make a lot of the casual fans, or newcomers to the series scratch their heads, wondering why they or others like DBZ in the first place.


I am however glad they made the movie, as I think the movie opened a lot of doors for bigger and better DBZ Movies that can be shown here, which I think was Toriyamas intent.

[RocktheDragon]

I never thought I'd meet someone who disliked Pilaf. I mean, yeah, I can see the argument of hating his use in this movie, but hating the character outright...he's one of my favorite villains honestly.

I can't say I care too much for him either. He never stood out to me and though I appreciate his sense of humor (especially as the first true villain in DB) I feel that he reappears a bit too much for my liking throughout the rest of the series (and GT too for goodness sake).

[Cold Skin]

Seeing as this is a few years after Buu, nothing says Kaio's planet could have been brought back with a wish.

Exactly nothing says that. They could have at least taken a second to clear it up.

It's okay to dislike it, but you should be ready for the fact that Kaio's planet can be remade: Goku just partly destroyed it in this movie, and you can bet that on the next one, it'll be intact because it went through the same process that made it rebuilt.

Out-of-universe explanation: it was likely an oversight, otherwise it would be mentionned at least in a guide.
In-universe explanation: The Kaio Shins likely remade it now that they're good friends, which explains why Kaio still had no planet until the Majin Boo arc but had the planet re-materialized after the Majin Boo arc in which the heroes got very friendly with the Kaio Shins (even inviting them to parties), able to materialize even the toughest steel in the universe at will.

Vegeta was one of the few who actually had a grasp of what Beerus is capable of, why wouldn't he scared of him?

All he saw him do was beat up his father that's nothing he couldn't have done back in the Saiyan saga yet it someone scares him.

They needed Vegeta to recognize Beerus, whom he would have seen back then in quite a shock of "who is this guy who is stronger than everyone else?".
It is a terrible childhood memory that gives chills to him, but he surpassed anyone he knew in his childhood since then: even if it had been Freezer, what would be the point since he's outdated himself in terms of power levels?

Since it was impossible to show someone as strong as the Saiyans are today, it was likely chosen that the way to have a memory of Vegeta thinking "who is that scary guy?" was to have him - a perfect stranger that had never been mentionned at the time - joyfully stomping his father figure AND the king of the Saiyans himself. Not everybody would dare to do that, even Vegeta stated he was stronger than the king as a kid, yet Kid Vegeta never stomped his father to either take the throne or even just to show his power. Even Freezer likely didn't do that in front of Vegeta, so he knew beings like Freezer would theoritically be able to do it, but seeing a stranger freely stomping the king of the warrior race and nobody stopping him is a whole other level (the fact that Beerus stomped King Vegeta would imply that the latter didn't know who he was dealing with and tried to attack him, so Kid Vegeta wasn't the only one surprised by that stranger back then).

Remembering that, Vegeta sees the danger, not so much because of the power level (Freezer himself could have easily stomped King Vegeta), but more because it proved one thing: that guy will take out anyone who tries to prevent him from doing what he wants to do, including eating and partying (as he remembers) and that guy has just single-handedly beaten the Super Saiyan 3 (as told a few minutes ago). So that's why that memory is so shocking: not because of Beerus's power - which Vegeta already knows from Kaio's statement - but because it's a proof of his "try to interrupt my pleasures and I'll stomp even kings" behavior (this is probably through that memory that Vegeta realizes he has to play along and not get in the way of what Beerus asks and wants).

Its been explained multiple times that due to Goku being a fighting genius, he managed to somehow absorb SSJG permanently into his body.

I know that was the explanation but they hyped this movie up with the God form, the film recieved far more interest because of it and all that happens is that Goku uses the form for a few minutes then reverts to his SSJ form for the latter half of the fight where he wasn't clearly
losing.

This is because it is the symbol of Dragon Ball Z. It was likely an artistic decision so that the climax of the final battle would be between the most popular form rather than the unfamiliar new form, so no God form, and certainly not even Super Saiyan 3 or Super Saiyan 2. Nostalgia was to strike with a final battle showing the world-famous Super Saiyan.

Its still one of the longest DBZ movies we have had.

Well there is that but it should have been longer. It was 85 minutes. One Piece Film Z was 108 minutes, Naruto Road to Ninja was 109 minutes, Bleach Hell Verse was 94 minutes, HXH Phantom Rouge was 97 minutes.

It'd have done wonders for the film if it were 20 mins longer.

I think any longer would have needlessly dragged things out (the Pilaf scene is cool but already drags a bit too long for my taste, which is the only weakness I find to the movie). So unless the God of Destruction had minions to keep the secondary characters busy (this would have hardly made sense), I don't see with what they could have filled those extra minutes. Everything feels perfectly long enough in the scenes and is showcased as it should be, I don't think any part of the plot or any specific scene needed more expanding, given that all characters were meant to be more or less helpless against Beerus, which can only START to find a hint of challenge once another warrior god stands up to him. Having Gohan and the rest being able to pull a fair fight for minutes would have seemed like "okay, that God of Destruction is not that much of a problem after all if current warriors can resist him fairly like they did with forms of Boo".

[Ryuman]

The humor was great and felt like actual Dragonball humor. Yeah Pilaf and co do drag on abit but the scenes that were funny, were really funny. Also, Dragonball has always been intended for children from the get go.

Pilaf belongs in Dragon Ball when it was a gag manga why bring him back now and give him and the others more screentime and dialogue than Piccolo, Krillin and Gohan put together? It's stupid, nobody watched DBZ to see them. It was early Dragon Ball type of humour in a DBZ movie, that kind of humour thankfully died off a lot in DBZ before the Buu saga unfortunately brought it back. Dragon Ball may be intended for children but it's also for people up to 30 to enjoy, the humour here was too kiddy and there was just too much of it.

I don't see the mentality in taking out Toriyama's humour from his gag-mangas. Especially as this film follows of of the Buu arc and a lot of his work afterwards had a lot of humour. I just find it interesting that you seem to hate the deep-rooted grounds for the series. Pilaf was a curve-ball though. However, I was happy to see his gang again after all that time. Pretty cool for the first movie in forever. Besides, Toriyama wanted to keep the spirit up after the awful tsunami.

Vegeta was one of the few who actually had a grasp of what Beerus is capable of, why wouldn't he scared of him?

All he saw him do was beat up his father that's nothing he couldn't have done back in the Saiyan saga yet it someone scares him.

Uuhh, it'd be pretty out of character if Vegeta wasn't desperately worried about him and everyone he cares about dying.

Its still one of the longest DBZ movies we have had.

Well there is that but it should have been longer. It was 85 minutes. One Piece Film Z was 108 minutes, Naruto Road to Ninja was 109 minutes, Bleach Hell Verse was 94 minutes, HXH Phantom Rouge was 97 minutes.

It'd have done wonders for the film if it were 20 mins longer.

To be fair, there was more to the film, like weaker enemies for all the other guys to fight (I believe this was discussed in interviews), but I suppose it was cut out for whatever reason? Blame Toei I guess.

[TheGmGoken]

The humor was great and felt like actual Dragonball humor. Yeah Pilaf and co do drag on abit but the scenes that were funny, were really funny. Also, Dragonball has always been intended for children from the get go.

Really? BoG seems to try TO hard with the humor. Dragonball humor was natural and organic. BoG's "humor" was more or less forced down our throats and was NOTHING like Dragonball's humor.

It was early Dragon Ball type of humour in a DBZ movie, that kind of humour thankfully died off a lot in DBZ before the Buu saga unfortunately brought it back. Dragon Ball may be intended for children but it's also for people up to 30 to enjoy, the humour here was too kiddy and there was just too much of it.

I don't think BoG is early type DB humor and is just a wanna-be copy of the DB humor. DBZ had humorous moments honestly that's similar to DB. Such as the Ginyu Force and Gohan mocking Nappa. Boo Arc didn't have DB humor but "DBZ" humor. As it seemed more fresh and wasn't the same style of humor. I'll agree that BoG FORCED the humor upon us and was trying to hard to be humorous.

[Duo]

Well, the "humor" of any of these stories is "forced" upon you when reading insofar that you have no say what jokes are made. So yeah, I guess in that regard, Battle of Gods forces it?

I was really quite fine with the story and behavior of the characters and didn't really find anything terribly out of place. I do wonder if I've been reading the same manga as everybody else sometimes when I read comment like that, but to each their own.

[El Diabeetus]

Well, the "humor" of any of these stories is "forced" upon you when reading insofar that you have no say what jokes are made. So yeah, I guess in that regard, Battle of Gods forces it?

I was really quite fine with the story and behavior of the characters and didn't really find anything terribly out of place. I do wonder if I've been reading the same manga as everybody else sometimes when I read comment like that, but to each their own.

I'd have to agree with you, it felt like no one acted out if character and the humor seemed no different than the manga.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Agreed. I'll admit, as said, that the Pilaf antics do get a little distracting in the movie, but since I enjoy the characters, I still like their stuff. But the humor as a whole in the movie? It's perfect.

[Bullza]

It's okay to dislike it, but you should be ready for the fact that Kaio's planet can be remade:

Yes but it should have been mentioned. There's probably many people scratching their heads over it, speculations on the forums about it and the movie could have 10 seconds to make it clear to everyone.

This is because it is the symbol of Dragon Ball Z.

It is? That was never really an issue before. If that was true that's facepalmingly stupid. They advertise a new form and get people excited then pointlessly cut it's screentime. When Goku was using the God form he was only getting beaten around which just ruins the image of it all.

I think any longer would have needlessly dragged things out

It wouldn't be a matter of dragging scenes out it could have allowed for a more expansive plot all together, a couple more character arcs, characters could have been more involved, they could have further explained things, Gohan wouldn't have had to have been knocked out in one blow etc.

It's story was too simplistic because it was too short.

Uuhh, it'd be pretty out of character if Vegeta wasn't desperately worried about him and everyone he cares about dying.

He was like that in the Buu saga yet still remained in character as his badass self. The Vegeta I was familiar with would never sing and dance like a tool just to calm someone down. He was pathetic in this.

To be fair, there was more to the film, like weaker enemies for all the other guys to fight (I believe this was discussed in interviews), but I suppose it was cut out for whatever reason?

That I'm actually happy with. I liked DBZ because it had a lack of villains. With most Shonen now like One Piece or Bleach there's a main villain then a bunch of stereotypical underling villains put in there just for the other good guys to fight and it'd boring because you have to go through several fights before you get to the one you're actually waiting for and they couldn't be more predictable because you know exactly how the fights are gonna go down.

The Naruto movies suffer from this problem. There's the main villain that Naruto will fight then the stupid but massive hulking ninja, the good looking ninja, a female ninja and then a small ugly gross looking ninja who have the usual fights with Sakura, Lee, Kakashi etc.

[Big Momma]

Its still one of the longest DBZ movies we have had. The only other DBZ film I could classify as "long" is Wrath of The Dragon.

IIRC, The first Broly film is the longest of the original films(unless you don't mean literal length).

[Sanity's_Theif]

Man, I hear some people saying this movie isn't that great, it's got me down, I haven't watched it yet myself but my buddy watched the JP version and said it was alright, I'm waiting for the english version, me and some of my other friends want to go see it in theaters

Also, haven't watched the movie and I don't want too many spoilers, but I've heard Vegeta is the strongest character now, Goku is second to him and Gohan just gets his *** wooped putting him in 3rd or worse, is there any truth to that?

[Ajay]

Also, haven't watched the movie and I don't want too many spoilers, but I've heard Vegeta is the strongest character now, Goku is second to him and Gohan just gets his *** wooped putting him in 3rd or worse, is there any truth to that?

Gohan is drunk. Anything involving him has little to no bearing on power rankings and no, I wouldn't agree with your first question. There is room for argument there but that's not my thing.

I do advise keeping away from this thread if you're looking to avoid spoilers though.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Also, haven't watched the movie and I don't want too many spoilers, but I've heard Vegeta is the strongest character now, Goku is second to him and Gohan just gets his *** wooped putting him in 3rd or worse, is there any truth to that?

Vegeta was only stated to have surpassed Goku, and U. Gohan & SS Gotenks were beaten as ridiculously as SS3 Goku was. And while Enrage SS2 Vegeta managed to hit Beerus while Gohan & Gotenks didn't (which is what people claim to put Vegeta above Gohan & Gotenks), Beerus defeated Gohan & Gotenks quickly because they pissed him off, while he let Vegeta to go all out on him in hopes that he would turn into the Super Saiyan God. So, SS3 Goku & Enraged SS2 Vegeta are not necessarily stronger than U. Gohan & SS Gotenks.

[Hugo Boss]

Man, I hear some people saying this movie isn't that great, it's got me down, I haven't watched it yet myself but my buddy watched the JP version and said it was alright, I'm waiting for the english version, me and some of my other friends want to go see it in theaters.

Speaking for myself, I recommend the movie a lot. It really gives us nostalgic feelings.

Also, haven't watched the movie and I don't want too many spoilers, but I've heard Vegeta is the strongest character now, Goku is second to him and Gohan just gets his *** wooped putting him in 3rd or worse, is there any truth to that?

You will see the details by yourself, but I guess this is implied to be true at a brief moment.

[Sanity's_Theif]

Gohan is drunk. Anything involving him has little to no bearing on power rankings and no, I wouldn't agree with your first question. There is room for argument there but that's not my thing.

I do advise keeping away from this thread if you're looking to avoid spoilers though.

Ehh, as far as I can recall, being drunk means nothing in terms of power so I'll take that as Goku at least has surpassed him by a good amount, never really believed he was much stronger than SSJ3 Goku anyways

Vegeta was only stated to have surpassed Goku, and U. Gohan & SS Gotenks were beaten as ridiculously as SS3 Goku was. And while Enrage SS2 Vegeta managed to hit Beerus while Gohan & Gotenks didn't (which is what people claim to put Vegeta above Gohan & Gotenks), Beerus defeated Gohan & Gotenks quickly because they pissed him off, while he let Vegeta to go all out on him in hopes that he would turn into the Super Saiyan God. So, SS3 Goku & Enraged SS2 Vegeta are not necessarily stronger than U. Gohan & SS Gotenks.

So he is stronger than Goku? That's what I get from it, and I'm talking about Goku in SSJ God form + SSJ added on or whatever I heard about, and from what you described, it definitely sounds like Goku and Vegeta are the strongest now, it seems pretty clear, they hurt Beerus and the rest couldn't so it obviously means they have the power to hurt him while the rest don't, I don't believe Dragonball ever incorporated complicated runarounds for power, it's a simple kids show

I'm good now, yea I don't wanna hear any more spoilers

[penguintruth]

One of the things I really liked in the movie is Trunks' need to brag to Goten, who is naïve. Immediately upon meeting Mai, he has a need to impress his friend by claiming that Mai is his girlfriend.

Mai and Piccolo's reaction to "holding hands" is priceless. Piccolo, you're such a prude.

[Retan]

I didn't mean to damper anyones spirits about the movie, it's certainly got some great parts to it, but a lot of the fights I saw in previews released by Toei themselves, which I kinda spoiled myself on!! If you haven't seen those scenes yet, you'll have much more to look forward to.









:Spoilers




Goku seemed to confirm that Vegeta had surpassed him at very end of the movie, that is if he hadn't gotten the SSJGOD Powerup earlier. Plus Bills says that Goku and Vegeta could be a threat someday, and says nothing about Gohan or Gotenks, but maybe he doesn't know there names... hmmm?"



As for Vegeta's dance scene, I thought the funniest thing about it was Beerus and Whis weren't impressed, making Vegeta mad that he'd made a fool of himself causing him to be sour.

[Duo]

One of the things I really liked in the movie is Trunks' need to brag to Goten, who is naïve. Immediately upon meeting Mai, he has a need to impress his friend by claiming that Mai is his girlfriend.

Mai and Piccolo's reaction to "holding hands" is priceless. Piccolo, you're such a prude.

That definitely seemed like the Kami-sama in him showing a bit!