Unpopular DB opinions

[thekingfallsdown]

Did my post get ignored? Or do newbees not get credit on here? In all seriousness:

[RandomGuy96]

Okay, I guess I'll comment on something from that. Kai still left way too much filler in, especially with the fights and the stupid filler adventures. And its episode count is only half of what Z's is, so really, most of the show was filler/padding.

[Kid Buu]

I agree, sometime during the Namek arc they slowly just started leaving filler in, and its quite noticeable by the Cell arc.

[thekingfallsdown]

Okay, I guess I'll comment on something from that. Kai still left way too much filler in, especially with the fights and the stupid filler adventures. And its episode count is only half of what Z's is, so really, most of the show was filler/padding.

Really? I didn't notice it. It can't ALL be about fighting....

[RandomGuy96]

Okay, I guess I'll comment on something from that. Kai still left way too much filler in, especially with the fights and the stupid filler adventures. And its episode count is only half of what Z's is, so really, most of the show was filler/padding.

Really? I didn't notice it. It can't ALL be about fighting....

It isn't, but the filler stories are usually boring and completely irrelevant.

And dude, like 95% of SS Goku vs Freeza is filler.

[Saiga]

The manga material already isn't all about fighting, so removing filler isn't going to change that. Actually, removing filler helps that in cases of Goku and Freeza where filler makes the fight so much longer...

[thekingfallsdown]

Okay, I guess I'll comment on something from that. Kai still left way too much filler in, especially with the fights and the stupid filler adventures. And its episode count is only half of what Z's is, so really, most of the show was filler/padding.

Really? I didn't notice it. It can't ALL be about fighting....

It isn't, but the filler stories are usually boring and completely irrelevant.

And dude, like 95% of SS Goku vs Freeza is filler.

Yeah that's true, but it's filler is used as a plot device. You can't cut out to much more without changing the plot or pacing. Other then the Bulma/Ginyu stuff I'm unsure as to how you can cut more out without totally restructuring the whole fight.

[Kid Buu]

Chapters 136-226 cover the Cell arc, which is 90 chapters. So if it did the standered "3 chapters per episode" which a lot of Shonen fighting series seem to follow, it'd only be 30 episodes.

Episodes 54-96 cover the Kai Cell arc, which is 42 episodes. So 12 episodes longer then it could have been.

[helsinkirocks]

What? Most Shonen animes I've seen typically only adapt 2 chapters per episode...

[ABED]

I don't mind when they add more fighting, and I don't think the Goku/Freeza fight is 95% filler.

Here's an unpopular opinion, I think people hear the word filler and damn near automatically think it's crap regardless of its actual quality.

[thekingfallsdown]

I don't mind when they add more fighting, and I don't think the Goku/Freeza fight is 95% filler.

Here's an unpopular opinion, I think people hear the word filler and damn near automatically think it's crap regardless of its actual quality.

Well I'd certainly have to agree with you on that. The only filler from the original DBZ anime that's total crap to me is the Fake Namek section. Also to a lesser extent the gotenks time chamber section. No I don't mean the whole thing, just the part where gotenks states he's losing on purpose to come back and fight better later. To me that was a total slap in the face.

[baneofdemon22]

The only "filler" that I could do without was the Bulma and Ginyu frog scenes, I would have wanted more scenes, because I love spending more time with these characters. With a good dub!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What? Most Shonen animes I've seen typically only adapt 2 chapters per episode...

They usually do 3 chapters per episode when they want to go as fast as possible.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Here's an unpopular opinion, I think people hear the word filler and damn near automatically think it's crap regardless of its actual quality.

Yeah, there's definitely a stigma against 'filler'. I think Naruto helped contribute to that quite a bit too, since it seems like ever since then, the word filler has been viewed with vitriol by just about any fanbase. I've even heard some people say they won't watch it outright, won't even purchase the DVD's unless there's also canon material on it. That's all fair and good I suppose, it's their money after all, but...if they're that vehemently against it, why don't they just read the original manga in the first place?

In the case of DB-related filler though, it's about half and half for me. There's some filler I really enjoy (the driving episode, Kuririn's 101st proposal, and even some of the Super Saiyan Goku V.S. Freeza fight extension to a degree), but at the same time there's filler that I just cannot stand (Bulma and the damn crab come to mind immediately). Even the stuff I can't stand though, I still watch whenever I'm re-watching the series, because it's still more time spent with characters I love.

[ABED]

Even in live action shows, many people automatically write them off. It's a shame because there are many great stand alone episodes in shows such as Supernatural and Arrow. Dragon Ball Z has a lot of good filler material.

[Kid Buu]

Overall I don't mind episodic filler, since at the worst you'll at least be able to skip over them in a rewatch. Fight filler isn't so bad either.

Filler that stretches canon material on the other hand pisses me off to no end, like the staredowns. The cutaways are annoying as shit too. Like Goten/Trunks taking a piss break during the Majin Vegeta.

Even in live action shows, many people automatically write them off. It's a shame because there are many great stand alone episodes in shows such as Supernatural and Arrow. Dragon Ball Z has a lot of good filler material.

What would qualify as filler there since they are not adapted from a manga?

[ABED]

the staredowns. The cutaways are annoying as shit too. Like Goten/Trunks taking a piss break during the Majin

Staredowns are fine to build tension but there's definitely a point of diminishing returns, and the cutaways to some comedic scene in the middle of a fight irritates me as well, if they are intent on having them, do them at the beginning of an episode, but not in the middle of the fight.

What would qualify as filler there since they are not adapted from a manga?

Shows like Supernatural and Arrow have season long arcs, and the filler are the episodes that don't have anything to do, sometimes not even thematically, with the main story.

[rereboy]

Yeah, there's definitely a stigma against 'filler'.

Because good filler is something pretty rare. Usually, we're lucky if its tolerable, very lucky if its enjoyable and extremely lucky if its actually good (and a good addition to the source material).

Shows like Supernatural and Arrow have season long arcs, and the filler are the episodes that don't have anything to do, sometimes not even thematically, with the main story.

That's definitely a whole different kind of filler since its created and developed by the same creators of the main arc. Many of them might exist to add stuff and make the series longer but its a totally different animal. Every work has details to flesh out the overall story and to tweak the pacing and the plot progression, so technically, every little detail that does that can be called filler if we follow that route.

[orbweaver]

I actually like some of the filler. I loved the invisible ship, because it really contributed to the story. It really helped build up Frieza as a galactic terror. I love anything that fleshes out more of Frieza's empire.

I'm not a purist, I'm the weirdo who actually hopes that what I'm watching will fill in what is generally terse material (in mangas and comics) with material that adds backstory and emotional texture.

But the long fight scenes got really tedious.

It depends on how I'm watching - one or two at a time is one thing, but if I'm doing a marathon viewing session (I recently had DBZ on all day in the background while I worked on a client project), the long and tedious fight scenes are hard to sit through.

[ABED]

Yeah, there's definitely a stigma against 'filler'.

Because good filler is something pretty rare. Usually, we're lucky if its tolerable, very lucky if its enjoyable and extremely lucky if its actually good (and a good addition to the source material).

Shows like Supernatural and Arrow have season long arcs, and the filler are the episodes that don't have anything to do, sometimes not even thematically, with the main story.

That's definitely a whole different kind of filler since its created and developed by the same creators of the main arc. Many of them might exist to add stuff and make the series longer but its a totally different animal. Every work has details to flesh out the overall story and to tweak the pacing and the plot progression, so technically, every little detail that does that can be called filler if we follow that route.

Well, the creators are different, but it's the same in practice. The reason for filler is pretty much the same, on broadcast TV, there are usually over 20 episodes per season, and it's hard to devise 22 episodes that stay on point. In Japan, they air Dragon Ball year round so to keep up the schedule they add more stories.

I don't agree that good filler is rare. I enjoyed most of the training for the Saiyans material, the extra Pilaf material, Goku training before the 22nd Budokai, the extra material with Colonel Silver, the mirror ship, the flashbacks to Planet Vegeta, Gohan and Goku training in the RST.