Do you think Dragon Ball had too much perv moments ?

[Eddie]

Oh wait, you reminded me of something. in the Dragon Ball Z manga volume it's ranked for kids, all ages. but the original dragon ball is 13+ (since the english volumes part the manga before and post Z) i just can't understand, they're both classified as the same genre. so just cuz DB has some sexual comedy it's more mature than Z ?!
i think the japanese volumes calssify the manga as "13+" since it's not parted as the english volumes. it's one series under the name of "Draogon Ball"

The Dragon Ball "Z" run of the series was actually more censored than the early stuff (at one time), but only the nudity. Gohan's dingaling was erased. Also, Viz's standards for their made up ratings have varied wildly over the years. There's also very little consistency, particularly when you compare their manga to their anime. According to Viz, Naruto the manga is for ages 13+. Naruto the anime is recommended for ages 16+. Apparently anime Naruto is one badass motherfucker that the kids just can't handle.

As for Japan, I'm fairly sure that they don't share the ridiculous idea that their kiddie comics are only meant for mature audiences.

[WittyUsername]

I certainly could have done without the "Where are your balls Bulma" and pafu pafu scenes. Also, I can't say I'm very fond of any of the child nudity either.

[Gyt Kaliba]

See, the talk about Go Nagai stuff is a perfect example of something that may possibly go too far for my own personal enjoyment. I love pervy humor stuff, but I generally do like there to be some kind of story or something too. Now granted, there certainly seems to be a story to lots of the Nagai stuff...but everything I hear about it and see makes me kind of hesitant to look into it. For all I know it'd be something that I'd enjoy though. My point though is THAT'S something that gives me a bit of a pause to think about whether I want to check it out or not. Dragon Ball has nothing on that.

[Gaffer Tape]

I certainly could have done without the "Where are your balls Bulma" and pafu pafu scenes. Also, I can't say I'm very fond of any of the child nudity either.

The pafu pafu, again, I can understand, but why the other two? The former is hilariously innocent. The latter... well, as I said before, what's even remotely sexual or inappropriate about Goku being naked?

[Captain-Sora]

I certainly could have done without the "Where are your balls Bulma" and pafu pafu scenes. Also, I can't say I'm very fond of any of the child nudity either.

The pafu pafu, again, I can understand, but why the other two? The former is hilariously innocent. The latter... well, as I said before, what's even remotely sexual or inappropriate about Goku being naked?

With that said, regarding the "no balls" scene, the redone version of it in The Path to Power is surprisingly more revealing compared to the original.

[Gaffer Tape]

Really? I don't remember that being the case. But then again, that movie has never really made an impression on me.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I don't really remember it being more revealing either...any chance we could get some screenshot comparisons, if anyone has them handy or can get them easily enough?

[WittyUsername]

I certainly could have done without the "Where are your balls Bulma" and pafu pafu scenes. Also, I can't say I'm very fond of any of the child nudity either.

The pafu pafu, again, I can understand, but why the other two? The former is hilariously innocent. The latter... well, as I said before, what's even remotely sexual or inappropriate about Goku being naked?

I just think that there's something kind of unsettling about showing a kid naked for laughs.

[Fionordequester]

Yes I do. But I think many people here already know my stance on that stuff.

[Gaffer Tape]

RE: WittyUsername

That's just what I'm getting at, though. Is there something inherently unsettling about it, or is it just because we've become so cautious in recent years about stamping out kiddie porn (which, don't get me wrong, is an admirable goal and a necessary thing to get rid of) that it's further tightened our already strained sphincters in regards to nudity in general? Or causes us to believe that all nudity is sexual? Or make you afraid that being associated with it would make people think that *you're* into kids? I guess what I'm asking is is do you think it's an inherent discomfort or socially constructed? Because I definitely think it's the latter. It always reminds me that, when I was a kid, I was naked quite a bit, and I know my mom has a snapshot of me sitting on the floor naked, grinning ear to ear, when I was about four. But I'm pretty sure nowadays, if my mom brought in that roll of film to be developed (if people still do that), she'd probably be arrested, despite the fact that there's absolutely nothing sexual or exploitative about that picture.

Honestly, my favorite quote on the subject from these boards (and I'm probably paraphrasing) came from MajinVegetaXD: "It's not like Goku whipped out his Ron Jeremy-sized cock and went fishing with that!"

[Gyt Kaliba]

Okay, I was just able to re-watch that part via The Path to Power...and I think I see what Captain Sora was talking about. I managed to get a good screencap, but I'm spoiler texting it and making a warning that...well, if this kinda stuff is offensive, then you might not want to view it. But it's not nudity, really...it's Barbie doll nudity. None the less, you've been warned, and if the mods feel like even this is too much, it can be removed easily enough.

Spoiler:

So yeah, that goes by really quickly, and is hardly offensive IMO since...again, Barbie doll nudity here...but it is a little more 'explicit' than what the manga/original anime version had. So it's a fair enough point I guess.

[Mewzard]

See, the talk about Go Nagai stuff is a perfect example of something that may possibly go too far for my own personal enjoyment. I love pervy humor stuff, but I generally do like there to be some kind of story or something too. Now granted, there certainly seems to be a story to lots of the Nagai stuff...but everything I hear about it and see makes me kind of hesitant to look into it. For all I know it'd be something that I'd enjoy though. My point though is THAT'S something that gives me a bit of a pause to think about whether I want to check it out or not. Dragon Ball has nothing on that.

His work on the Mazinger manga doesn't have a lot of pervy stuff, as it focuses on the Giant Robots. I find what I've read of Nagai's stuff is that the early works he's done tend to be a bit more episodic than his later works (with some exceptions).

Dragon Ball had more nudity when it came to the comedy focus. When it shifted to action, such jokes fell by the wayside. That tends to happen, when your priorities are the fights over the jokes.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Frankly, what gets me isn't so much that they are there, there only are a handful and a couple of them are gold ("Turtle Hermit Lingere Armor!" ), but how much they clash with the rest of the series. They're a small but present hurdle in Dragon Ball's breaking the anime-to-Western-Cartoon barrier whenever the sentiment of "anime = porn, or at the very least is a dangerous slippery slope" is present, and that is not a feeling exclusive to your dismissible moralist nut club of choice. I mean, Kanzenshuu does get the occasional post "How do I show kids younger than "X" age the whole of Dragon Ball?" question where "Be and man and realize there is nothing wrong with any of it." is not the easy choice, otherwise they would not be asking for other advice!

No, I don't think DB had "too much perv moments" because I am not a tumblr social justice warrior or a 50 year old house frau from Minnesota.

It's harmless fun.

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Also, I just read your Battle of Gods review. I'm dead.

'Book of Schemmel' - Amazing.

'Book of Schemmel' was overkill, distracting, and redundant about halfway through. Now a reminder of tumblr warriors eating the weaker of their ranks alive for their internet-hedged sensitivity...

[Akumaito Beam]

The sexual jokes with teenage Bulma leave a weird taste in my mouth if I don't remind myself that everything in Dragon Ball uses stupid cartoony gag logic. If there's no serious mental repercussions to a 4 year old being kidnapped,admiring his kidnapper,basically living the rest of his life in a perpetual war zone,serving in non stop combat and then watching his friends repeatedly die and return to life then I guess I shouldn't let those 3 panel boob jokes get to me.

Having Oolong roofie and then nearly molest Bulma is a totally different story. It's not a joke or anything either, it's just something he does. To jump from "Oh ho this Saturday morning cartoon villain pig kidnaps girls but then they boss him around and make him buy them stuff!" to having him literally drug and almost molest a girl is such a fucking weird decision. It makes Oolong seriously unlikeable if you don't ignore that part of the story. I feel the same way about Dolltaki in GT. I don't know if he was supposed to be funny or intentionally creepy but they failed if it was the former and succeeded way,way,way too well if it was the latter.

[UpFromTheSkies]

As the title says, i mean for a Shounen series (for 13+) it really is too much. showing Goku's penis, Bulma's tits uncensored (WTF) i can understand that Goku is a little child, but what's up with Bulma ?! it's definitely too much considering it's rate. but i've read that the censorship was pretty free at the 80s and pre 80s comparing to now or in the 90s. maybe that's the reason why DBZ, YYH, One Piece, Naruto..etc, didn't get to be as pervert as the original Dragon Ball.

Dragon Ball had more of that than Z because it was more focused around comedy. And I don't see anything wrong with those kind of jokes at all, I see something wrong, something terribly wrong, with a society that is more offended by nudity and sex than violence.

[FortuneSSJ]

When things like Fairy Tail exist, makes me feel that Dragon Ball had too few.
Back then, when I was a kid, I didn't get why Roshi was so obsessed about women, unfortunately I get it now.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Fairy Tail would be another example where I'm conflicted. Personally I really like the series, and a lot of the fan service is well done IMO. At the same time though, it's one I can totally see as being a bit too much for a lot of people - it can be fairly distracting sometimes, admittedly.

[RocktheDragon]

I certainly could have done without the "Where are your balls Bulma" and pafu pafu scenes. Also, I can't say I'm very fond of any of the child nudity either.

See, I actually am really fond of that comedic situation with patting Bulma's area down there. I start to dislike it when that same comedic gag is paraded over and over and over again in various scenes. The child nudity I'm totally ok with and don't mind.

[KentalSSJ6]

Fairy Tail would be another example where I'm conflicted. Personally I really like the series, and a lot of the fan service is well done IMO. At the same time though, it's one I can totally see as being a bit too much for a lot of people - it can be fairly distracting sometimes, admittedly.

I just wish they didnt censor the anime. Who the hell wears a towel around them when in the tub?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

From how bad fanservice and ecchi humour gets exaggerated these days in modern anime, Dragonball in comparison is pretty mild.