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by ZombieVito » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:52 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
As for
DB: Episode of Bardock (manga), Chozenshuu #1, a manga-based guidebook, covers it, and the
recent volume release is designed like it's an extra volume of the
original manga, so take that as you will.
Excellent, I really liked the episode/manga. It completely redeemed Bardock in my eyes. Look at him, hes smiling happily and the end.
He finally found peace me thinks.
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by Hellspawn28 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:29 pm
It's possible that EOB is canon to the manga only given that it follows the manga then the anime seeing that the Plantians are the real race on Planet Plant instead the Tsufurusian. Tsufurusian don't exist in the manga since they were never shown or mention at all in the manga.
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by TTC817 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:25 pm
Neither one of them is canon. If it was not in the original manga, or unless Akira Toriyama says so himself, it is not canon.
Tarble is NOT a canon character because, in addition to never appearing in Toriyama's manga, he is never at any point mentioned by Vegeta over the course of the entire multi-decade spanning series.
Episode of Bardock is not canon because he was killed by Frieza's Death Ball that destroyed Planet Vegeta. I think of it as more of a "What If" movie, which gave Toei an excuse to make him a Super Saiyan somehow.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:50 pm
TTC817 wrote:Neither one of them is canon. If it was not in the original manga, or unless Akira Toriyama says so himself, it is not canon.
Tarble is NOT a canon character because, in addition to never appearing in Toriyama's manga, he is never at any point mentioned by Vegeta over the course of the entire multi-decade spanning series.
Episode of Bardock is not canon because he was killed by Freeza's Death Ball that destroyed Planet Vegeta. I think of it as more of a "What If" movie, which gave Toei an excuse to make him a Super Saiyan somehow.
Toriyama mentioned Tarble in BoG which is made by Toriyama
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by Hellspawn28 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:19 pm
Episode of Bardock was nothing more then a toy commercial to promote SSj Bardock in Heroes. It's the reason why it got made in the first place.
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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:15 am
Episode of Bardock was nothing more then a toy commercial to promote SSj Bardock in Heroes
But so was Battle of Gods too... Or even the JSATS.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:21 am
Low Tone G wrote:Episode of Bardock was nothing more then a toy commercial to promote SSj Bardock in Heroes
But so was Battle of Gods too... Or even the JSATS.
How the hell was BoG and Jsats was Heroes commercial?
Jstat came out before heroes and BoG had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:23 am
TheGmGoken wrote:Low Tone G wrote:Episode of Bardock was nothing more then a toy commercial to promote SSj Bardock in Heroes
But so was Battle of Gods too... Or even the JSATS.
How the hell was BoG and Jsats was Heroes commercial?
Jstat came out before heroes and BoG had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
They are not for Heroes specifically, but their existence (even the manga's existence) is to increase the merchandise sales.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:27 am
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Well of course. But I'm asking how is it a commercial for Heroes.
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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:46 am
But how about SSJ God appearing in some DBZ videogames, before the movie wasn't actually out? I mean I don't think that is accidental. But You are right Episode of Bardock had also that purpose to promote, but the two others also.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:48 am
Low Tone G wrote:But how about SSJ God appearing in some DBZ videogames, before the movie wasn't actually out?
Actually, they never even showed us what Super Saiyan God looked like before the movie came out.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:53 am
Actually, they never even showed us what Super Saiyan God looked like before the movie came out.
But the new update(SSJ God as playable character) for the games was already done when the BOG movie had its first sreening.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:57 am
Low Tone G wrote:Actually, they never even showed us what Super Saiyan God looked like before the movie came out.
But the new update(SSJ God as playable character) for the games was already done when the BOG movie had its first sreening.
Your point? All they have to do is ask what SSG looks like. and then update the game. Not that hard(Well for professionals). BoG wasn't promoting heroes. Hell I want to hear your explanation on why JSTAT was promoting Heroes before Heroes came out

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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:03 pm
Hell I want to hear your explanation on why JSTAT was promoting Heroes before Heroes came out
I'm talking not only about Heroes(I know that has his own manga), but about any of video games. I hope You got my point. All the new movies from 2008-2013 have the purpose(among others of course) to promote the games somehow. I'm not sure, but I think that Abo and Cado are also playable characters in a game... I don't see any difference in the point of view of Dragon Ball Heroes case... The game needed an update(SSj Bardock) to be popular again..
If I remember corretly Episode of Bardock was a part of Dragon Ball SSSS project along with Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:20 pm
Low Tone G wrote:Hell I want to hear your explanation on why JSTAT was promoting Heroes before Heroes came out
I'm talking not only about Heroes(I know that has his own manga), but about any of video games. I hope You got my point. All the new movies from 2008-2013 have the purpose(among others of course) to promote the games somehow. I'm not sure, but I think that Abo and Cado are also playable characters in a game... I don't see any difference in the point of view of Dragon Ball Heroes case... The game needed an update(SSj Bardock) to be popular again..
If I remember corretly Episode of Bardock was a part of Dragon Ball SSSS project along with Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans.
Yo Son Goku returns came out in 2008. Tarble, Abo, and Cado was NOT to promote a video game. Tarble didn't appear in a game UNTIL Rb2. Which was a few years AFTER Tarble first came out. So I don't see what you're talking about needed to promote a game. When YSGAFR was anything BUT that. EOB was a promotional. But not BoG and YSGAFR.
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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:28 pm
Methinks You're right, EOB was especially for that(promoting), but the any other movies were included as well in games, sooner or later.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:30 pm
Low Tone G wrote:Methinks You're right, EOB was especially for that(promoting), but the any other movies were included as well in games, sooner or later.
Of course because they're new characters. That's like saying Goku was made to promote the first ever Dragonball game. Or SSJ4 was created to promote Final Bout.
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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:38 pm
That's like saying Goku was made to promote the first ever Dragonball game.
That's not entirely the same... Even if the 2008 Jump Special wasn't at all to promote any games, I guess BOG was. Even if that wasn't anywhere revealed... In the case of EOB it was revealed. But BOG's promotional purposes were treated discretely. I'm just thinking... I'm not stating anything.
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by Duo » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:51 pm
Battle of Gods and Episode of Bardock are on completely different levels. Episode of Bardock came to be primarily to promote Dragon Ball Heroes, which is a pretty notable sensation in Japan right now. Battle of Gods was made with international release in mind to promote the entire franchise - far more ambitious.
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by Low Tone G » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:55 pm
I have to agree.
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