Why the Broly hate?

[RocktheDragon]

My personal feelings on movie 8 and Broly is that he is just "ok" for me. Bringing him back twice more was excessive but still somewhat entertaining but I definitely would have rather preferred a new story line for those movies. I haven't really seen all this fan over hype on Broly so this thread is enlightening to me in that way, and most people do seem "meh" about him here like you said they would so great insights into the Broly consensus OP!

[dbboxkaifan]

I watched Broli's film (#8) yesterday and seriously that was one of the worst things of Dragon Ball that I could've possibly seen, he's not only annoying, but repetitive and unbearable to watch which almost made me want to turn this off before the film came to an end though since I've never seen all of them from start to finish (I sometimes would stop halfway) I decided to put up with that lame bs.

Never again will I watch Broli's 8th film, but there's still other two Broli films that I'll "need" to watch. *sigh* I hate doing this to myself.

[Polyphase Avatron]

BROLI SMASH!

The brainless hulk of the franchise.

His first appearance is moderately enjoyable despite being fairly poorly written. Character motivation is pretty poor to say the least.

Honestly, I take more issue with the power-level loving fans of the character than anything else.

Even Marvel's Hulk is a more interesting character than Broly, because he has more than just his "Hulk smash" persona, there is the struggle for Bruce Banner to suppress or learn to deal with the monster side of him, etc. Broly is like if you took all the interesting parts of the Hulk's character out and left just the mindless brute.

[Ajay]

Even Marvel's Hulk is a more interesting character than Broly, because he has more than just his "Hulk smash" persona, there is the struggle for Bruce Banner to suppress or learn to deal with the monster side of him, etc. Broly is like if you took all the interesting parts of the Hulk's character out and left just the mindless brute.

Oh yeah, absolutely. That's what I meant by 'mindless hulk' really. There's no other side to him than running around screaming 'KAKARROTOOOO'. Maybe a bit towards the start but...not really.

[crisis]

When people say "I think Broly can defeat _______ no problem," what I think they really mean is that Broly had the POTENTIAL to be the strongest being in all of DBZ. Had he survived and continued to get boosts from Zenkai, then I don't doubt he would've surpassed pretty much all the villains in terms of raw power. But you can't change his fate.

What they also don't explain is exactly WHY Broly was so strong, or WHY a "Legendary Super Saiyan" that's different from all other Super Saiyans even exists. Could it be that there was a odd mutation in his cells during conception causing him to generate a lot more Ki than any other Saiyan? Or was Paragus actually the last living descendant from the last known LSSj? Or perhaps it's something more mystical, the "spirit" of the LSSj leaping from body to body over the course of several generations, this time choosing to inhabit Broly? Any theory is just as valid as the last, because we really don't know the true answer, and that's intruiging to some.


It's also kinda funny how some people say Broly and his films lack "narrative" and is just a mindless killer, therefore he sucks. Uhm, this is Dragon Ball Z, not Batman. People don't turn to DBZ to watch a psychological thriller or deep detective story. People like it because it's flashy & entertaining with awesome character designs, nothing more, nothing less. Buu is a mindless creature that wants to destroy everything, Z Fighters must stop him. Cell wants to prove he's the strongest fighter ever, Z Fighters must stop him. Broly isn't really that far-fetched then most of all the other stories in the DBZ universe.

[Insertclevername]

On that i agree. Movie 8 was good, 10 decent and 11 was just... bleah.

I think a better question would be "why the movie 11 hate?". I mean seriously, it's the best out of the three.

Because after movie 10 we had seen more than enough of Broly, he wasn't interesting, and he really shouldn't have had a second movie, yet there TOEI was with movie 11, dragging him back again because they couldn't think of a new villain and story.

But they totally shit on his character by making him an unintelligible slime monster (which in hindsight wasn't too far from his original form) that gets killed by freakin' water.

[WittyUsername]

If you ask me, Broly is basically the Dragon Ball equivalent of Venom. He doesn't have much in the way of personality, but a lot of fans love him because he looks cool and he came off as a badass in his original appearance. I think Broly was a decent character in movie 8, but the latter two movies completely ruined him.

I think you're confusing Venom with Carnage. Venom/Eddie Brock is overrated, but he did have some depth and was an entertaining character. Carnage on the other hand really is just a symbiote version of Broly, only without the larger build.

I still think Venom is a pretty dull character.

[Gyt Kaliba]

But they totally shit on his character by making him an unintelligible slime monster (which in hindsight wasn't too far from his original form) that gets killed by freakin' water.

Yeah, but unless you just hate the character that much, that's not really an improvement, is it?

Honestly though, I can't help but think all of the 'sequel' movies could have been better (or at least more original) if they had new villains. Movie 6 could have just been the Big Gete Star. 10 could have been about some insanely strong monster up on the mountains. 11 could have just been the bio-warriors. But maybe I'm alone on this one, I'unno.

[TheGmGoken]

But they totally shit on his character by making him an unintelligible slime monster (which in hindsight wasn't too far from his original form) that gets killed by freakin' water.

Yeah, but unless you just hate the character that much, that's not really an improvement, is it?

Honestly though, I can't help but think all of the 'sequel' movies could have been better (or at least more original) if they had new villains. Movie 6 could have just been the Big Gete Star. 10 could have been about some insanely strong monster up on the mountains. 11 could have just been the bio-warriors. But maybe I'm alone on this one, I'unno.

Wasn't bio-warriors already done in Movie 2.

[Gyt Kaliba]

But they totally shit on his character by making him an unintelligible slime monster (which in hindsight wasn't too far from his original form) that gets killed by freakin' water.

Yeah, but unless you just hate the character that much, that's not really an improvement, is it?

Honestly though, I can't help but think all of the 'sequel' movies could have been better (or at least more original) if they had new villains. Movie 6 could have just been the Big Gete Star. 10 could have been about some insanely strong monster up on the mountains. 11 could have just been the bio-warriors. But maybe I'm alone on this one, I'unno.

Wasn't bio-warriors already done in Movie 2.

True, though there it ended up with the mad scientist in the end rather than his creations (though I like that idea better, really). I still think that would have been better than a needless Broly clone though.

[Duo]

Because Broli is not an interesting character. Subtracting origin, how is he any different from Super #13?

But besides that, Movie 8 is just a big problem. It's a really lopsided film - the first half is elaborate and grand in scope, painting a unique history and setting up for something amazing, but the moment Broli transforms the whole thing just turns into the most boring one-sided fight ever topped off with a nice bullshitty ending.

Movie 10 and 11 are actually significantly better movies and some of the better ones in the bunch. Broli is still awful, but at least the story doesn't waste time building him up for no interesting reason, plus the fights against him are significantly more dynamic and interesting. Those movies are also among the minority that almost completely cut Goku out, giving the minor characters some really great time to interact with one another and struggle against the odds.

[Mystic Buu]

I don't hate him,I just don't like him.His character isn't interesting and he only screams KAKAROOOOT and speaks a little bit.Maybe if his fans aren't so annoying with Broly is the strongest,Beerus and Whis can be his slaves and all that stuff,maybe I would like him.

[Cipher]

I like Brolli.

He's not a particularly compelling character on his own, but he's a huge deviation for the franchise, and he's actually frightening. No charisma, no wacky design, no gimmicks. He's just a radically strong character with a depressing past who can't be reasoned with.

Movie 8 is much darker territory than the movies had ventured into before, and it's interesting. Brolli's basically the anti-Dragon Ball villain, and he's valuable for that role, despite the kind of fandom he's attracted.

[Super Sonic]

A thing I like is how he's playing against type for his va. Broly's va is known for doing guys like Edward Elric and Tamaki Suoh who are not like Broly at all, so it shows a pretty good range. Even if his voice got strained by it.

[PolatGuy92]

Broly is probably the most overrated dbz character out there. I mean really many people thinks he can beat Majin Buu arc Goku. I do like Brolly's design though that powerfull look and all. He's indeed the dbz version of Hulk also his fighting style is awesome because it's so different. He uses mostly wrestling and grappling moves and techniques
I also like those white creepy eyes and his psychotic character, but his origin is just stupid they really had to do better than that. Also he's the only true evil Super Saiyan villain out there perhaps the most reason why people like him so much.

So yeah he's awesome but his character in general has flaws especially his origin and he doesn't talk that much only screams kakarot the whole damn time

[crisis]

Likewise, had Broly just been a random super powerful alien like Bojack or whoever, then he wouldn't have the large fanbase that he has. And it's not just he's another Saiyan, or else Turles would have a huge following too (and to my knowledge, he doesn't, or no where near as cult-like as Broly's).

It's the fact that he's a Super Saiyan that's an adversary to the other hero Super Saiyans, one that's touted as the mighty Super Saiyan from Legend. This makes him unique amongst the typical DBZ rogues gallery, despite his underdeveloped dialogue and character. That pretty much sums it up.

I actually think Broly should've been the villain in Movie 12 instead of Janemba, Movie 11 instead using a new random monster. People would've enjoyed seeing an overpowered Broly in Hell causing havoc leaving Goku, Pikkon, and Vegeta to stop him. And, it would've finally ended the debate that Gogeta is stronger than Broly, lol.

[TheGmGoken]

Likewise, had Broly just been a random super powerful alien like Bojack or whoever, then he wouldn't have the large fanbase that he has. And it's not just he's another Saiyan, or else Tullece would have a huge following too (and to my knowledge, he doesn't, or no where near as cult-like as Broly's).

It's the fact that he's a Super Saiyan that's an adversary to the other hero Super Saiyans, one that's touted as the mighty Super Saiyan from Legend. This makes him unique amongst the typical DBZ rogues gallery, despite his underdeveloped dialogue and character. That pretty much sums it up.

I actually think Broly should've been the villain in Movie 12 instead of Janemba, Movie 11 instead using a new random monster. People would've enjoyed seeing an overpowered Broly in Hell causing havoc leaving Goku, Paikuhan, and Vegeta to stop him. And, it would've finally ended the debate that Gogeta is stronger than Broly, lol.

Why would they need Gogeta if both Goku and Vegeta got SSJ2? Hell Goku got SSJ3! Paikuhan has that Kaioken style attack as well. But I guess that would end the debate because 3 weaker foes beat the "ALL SO POWAFUL" Broly.

[crisis]

I just think it would've possibly been a better and more satisfying end to the "Broly Arc" than "Bio-Broly" was.

[Flame Dragon]

By the way, does anyone else think his design is similiar to the Yu-Gi-Oh! characters?

Spoiler:

I think it reminds me of the YGO cast mainly because of the jewelry on his body, which looks pretty... egyptian.
Also his hair is pretty reminiscent of the YGO style.

[TheGmGoken]

By the way, does anyone else think his design is similiar to the Yu-Gi-Oh! characters?

Spoiler:

I think it reminds me of the YGO cast mainly because of the jewelry on his body, which looks pretty... egyptian.
Also his hair is pretty reminiscent of the YGO style.

Nah I get that feeling from Beerus. Who looks like a Duel Monster anyways. Broly hair is that of Trunks honestly. Though his control device does look like a millenium item.