Goku vs Piccolo Daimao(Round 2) Or Goku vs Piccolo Jr

[TheGmGoken]

Ok. I'm starting a new little Kanzenshuu series. Similar to how Kamicolo made those movie threads. I figure once every two weeks I'll make a thread comparing fights. Most likely rematches, big fights, or just fights that I found great. I hope we can have a great discussion on comparing these fights. The way you compare them might be different from my style. But that's okay. We all are different. Now lets start!

The story behind each fight. Since both fights are major I'll talk about the back story of these fights. King Piccolo or Piccolo Daimao(Depending on what you prefer to call him) is a demon who set fear into the Earth 300 years before the series. Makes you wonder that the Saiyans basically sent Goku(Power level of 2 and 20 during Great Ape) on a mission he can't do . Goku and Ten just had a classic match at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. Goku lost due to some truck driver. Tien wins the Tenkaichi Budokai and turns good. In the manga Krillin goes back for Goku's items and dies. in the anime the gang goes to get some food but Goku left his items which from there was similar to the manga. Goku kills Tambourine after losing the first time. Goku proceeds to "dies" against Piccolo. Goku gets some poison water and becomes stronger. Then Goku proceeds to beat Piccolo and kill him.

Piccolo Jr was the basic revenge story of a villain. Piccolo Sr. lays an egg before he dies and Jr wants renege. Basically Jr is King Piccolo himself. Piccolo out classes Krillin and eats God. Goku beats and marries Chi Chi and then proceeds to Beat Ten in a rematch. Goku beats Piccolo after 4 episodes I think. Maybe 5. In the manga the story(Dragonball portion) "ended" there while in the anime we get to see Goku and Chi Chi get married.

Now overall. Goku vs Piccolo Daimao's story is better. It's better than the revenge story-line. As Piccolo kills Shenlong and Chazou. Indirectly kills Muten Roshi, Krillin, Everyone in the Tenkaichi Budokai(22nd and 21st) but Goku and Ten. Kills Goku for 3 seconds. When compared to Piccolo who in the anime saved quite a few people but was just a jerk.

Now to the action.
Piccolo Daimao's vs Goku round 2 fell flat to me. Goku destroys Daimao way to easily. Besides some cheap shots, Goku was just destroying Piccolo. I actually prefer their first fight. It better expressed Goku's rage and felt more amazing to watch. Goku easily take the damage of Daimao's attacks and most of the time counter almost instantly. Even with one leg Goku still had the power pole to give him the edge. It wasn't until Ten saved Goku and Piccolo started cheap shooting Goku that the fight became Goku in my opinion. Which was the VERY end of the fight. It was cool how in the anime though everyone was reacting to the fight. Made it into a much bigger deal. Now onto Piccolo Jr vs Goku. One of my favorites in the series. I'll try not to be bias. The action was hard hitting and action packed from the start. They was just testing each other. The match was filled with false finishes that if Goku wasn't the main character and if Piccolo wasn't the main bad guy that you would't know who would win. It was that cool. It led to lots of weird but awesome moments. Goku going inside of Piccolo. Goku lifting up Piccolo. Lots of Ki blast(Rare for Dragonball at time) mix in with Marital arts. I love it when Dragonball does that. Cell vs Goku is another example of this but I'll get to that in 6 weeks. Piccolo beatdown on Goku was unexpected and very brutal.

Goku's combination of punches and kicks with the ending of the Kamehameha was beautiful. Goku letting Piccolo to punch him because God blocked the punch showed his Saiyan Pride before he was a Saiyan(Don't know if Toriyama made Goku an alien yet). The fight was back and fourth unlike Piccolo Daimao's fight. Piccolo blows up the arena. Perfect. The ending with Goku all happy because he finally won the Tenkaichi Budokai made me laugh. Really nice fight here done by Toriyama.

The Music:
Both were amazing. Very equal. Mainly cause it was the same person making the score.

So which one is better? Well that's up to your opinions which I'll love to here. I'll like to here an explanation why as well. To me Piccolo Jr vs Goku is just better than Piccolo Daimao vs Goku(round 2). IT was more equal. The action was better. The attacks was better. More unexpected stuff. The only thing I'll give Damio vs Goku over this fight is Goku's Oozaru Punch as I like to call it. Piccolo Daimao vs Goku(R2) should had been less one sided. There was MUCH more on the line there and Goku didn't have to struggle for revenge. He basically said "I'm kicking your ass for everyone you killed. Forgot to tell you that I can do it with one leg". Well the pay-off for both was great. I just felt almost everything about Jr vs Goku was better.

[Mystic Buu]

I once said that Goku vs King Piccolo is for me the best fight in DB (I even think that I made topic where i said that) but it was round 1 and not round 2.It was close fight,but it was clear that Goku will win.He was stronger than King Piccolo.As for Goku vs Piccolo Jr. that fight was equally equal like Goku vs Majin Vegeta.Fighting style was between DB and DBZ and fight was very brutal.I would say that Goku vs Piccolo Jr. wins this.

[90sDBZ]

Both fights are incredible and some of the best of the series. However I think I'll give it to Goku vs King Piccolo round 2 just because things felt so dark and awesome. It was one of the few times we see Goku attack someone with the intention of killing in cold blood. And I liked how the fight got really dirty and was no holds barred. By the time Goku fought Jr he was back to his old goofy happy-go-lucky self. Also I preferred the ending to Goku vs King Piccolo.

[ABED]

I once said that Goku vs King Piccolo is for me the best fight in DB (I even think that I made topic where i said that) but it was round 1 and not round 2.It was close fight,but it was clear that Goku will win.He was stronger than King Piccolo.As for Goku vs Piccolo Jr. that fight was equally equal like Goku vs Majin Vegeta.Fighting style was between DB and DBZ and fight was very brutal.I would say that Goku vs Piccolo Jr. wins this.

Funny, I thought it was the opposite. I took it that King Piccolo was slightly stronger than Goku since Goku was in worse shape towards the end of the fight. In their rematch, Goku took Piccolo's most powerful attack and would've won easily had Piccolo not done that cheap shot.

[Retan]

What part was the cheap shot?

[ABED]

What part was the cheap shot?

Maybe cheap was the wrong word, but considering the nature of the tournament, blasting a guy through the chest is rather cheap. Goku wasn't out to kill Piccolo because he wanted to win the tournament.

[TheGmGoken]

What part was the cheap shot?

Maybe cheap was the wrong word, but considering the nature of the tournament, blasting a guy through the chest is rather cheap. Goku wasn't out to kill Piccolo because he wanted to win the tournament.

I'll say it's more or less was a surprise shot. Like he snuck him. Basically wasn't cheap. But falls into
"NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF OF ME!"

[Retan]

No it's not that I just haven't watched either fight in a while.


Which part, is this right after the 10 count cause I found that part rather awesome. Especially considering Goku and everyone else was already about to celebrate.

[ABED]

Sneak shots are fine, but that was a shot designed to maim or kill. Goku's at an inherent disadvantage and still wins. The fight likely wouldn't have been quite as close if he wasn't trying to win the championship. I'm not saying it wasn't great, just saying that I think Goku is stronger than Piccolo in the rematch.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Cheap shot's not really a bad way to describe it, but yeah, it does kind of have a connotation to it that the attack doesn't. Underhanded might be a better term, maybe? I dunno, I'm having trouble figuring out how to describe it too.

For me, it's definitely the Goku/Piccolo Jr. fight. I could be biased since that was the first manga volume I ever bought (period, not just for Dragon Ball), and it's also this slim period through this fight and the Raditz fight that I find the fighting to be at it's best. There's still a lot of focus on physical attacks that don't seem to be just a warm up alone, and huge energy blasts still have this 'OH SHIT' feeling to them instead of being the norm. It's just an amazing fight all the way around. The Daimao rematch is good too, but to me it just doesn't even compare.

[Retan]

I'd say it's more cunning then anything else, as Piccolo didn't really care about the tournament, and seemed to if I remember correctly make his intentions clear to Goku somewhere in the middle of their fight, only Goku cared about the winning tournament between the two.

[ABED]

I'd say it's more cunning then anything else, as Piccolo didn't really care about the tournament, and seemed to if I remember correctly make his intentions clear to Goku somewhere in the middle of their fight, only Goku cared about the winning tournament between the two.

Again, my point was that Goku was holding back to an extent, so I take that to mean that Goku is even slightly stronger than Piccolo Jr.

GYT, underhanded is good.

[Retan]

Who said Goku wasn't a little stronger?

[ABED]

Who said Goku wasn't a little stronger?

Maybe I was reading it wrong, but it's what I took Mystic Buu's post to mean.