Yamamoto Score Question

[LordCrumb]

I've been re-watching my Kai Blu-Rays, and just started on Season 3 (or Part 5 and Part 6). Going from the insanely awesome Yamamoto score to the repetitive Shunsuke Kikuchi score is such a distraction.. it just doesn't feel like 'Kai' anymore, which is supposed to be a refreshed take on the series, and rather just the original Z series.

My question is how far into Kai (original TV broadcast) did Yamamoto do the music for, and do people have the audio tracks for those episodes available?

[MagicBox]

While we can probably assume the entire series was completed and scored, the Japanese television broadcast only made it to episode 95 with Yamamoto's music. They were so close to the end before everything hit the fan.

Here's a chart from the main site that shows you how much of Yamamoto's score is commercially available and which releases you can find it on.

[LordCrumb]

Thank you MagicBox.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Also--I know you asked about the original broadcast--but in case you were interested in watching the dub, we did get a somewhat big batch of (edited) dubbed episodes with the Yamamoto score released on Nicktoons that went beyond what was released on North American home video.

[JEFFMAN219]

Lool am I the only one here who likes the replacement score better then the Yamamoto score?

[qjz123]

Lool am I the only one here who likes the replacement score better then the Yamamoto score?

Do you really like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zlSpYAmFc more than this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLcyEUtAlDE ? The main problem with the replacement score is that it's way to repetitive and it doesn't fit the fast paced nature of Kai imo. I actually used to like the music used in the replacement score when Goku was powering up but in Kai they just used the song over and over for the episode recaps which really ruined it for me.

[kei17]

it doesn't fit the fast paced nature of Kai imo.

I never understand this kind of statement. What does the fast pace have to do with the Kikuchi score? Most of its tracks were composed for fast paced movies. Also, I don't think that the Yamamoto score is especially fast paced.

[qjz123]

it doesn't fit the fast paced nature of Kai imo.

I never understand this kind of statement. What does the fast pace have to do with the Kikuchi score? Most of its tracks were composed for fast paced movies. Also, I don't think that the Yamamoto score is especially fast paced.

I just don't think it fits, the Kikuchi score really ages the show imo.

[kei17]

it doesn't fit the fast paced nature of Kai imo.

I never understand this kind of statement. What does the fast pace have to do with the Kikuchi score? Most of its tracks were composed for fast paced movies. Also, I don't think that the Yamamoto score is especially fast paced.

I just don't think it fits, the Kikuchi score really ages the show imo.

Then what's the "fast paced nature" thing you were talking about? That statement still has nothing to do with it.

[JEFFMAN219]

Lool am I the only one here who likes the replacement score better then the Yamamoto score?

Do you really like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zlSpYAmFc more than this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLcyEUtAlDE ? The main problem with the replacement score is that it's way to repetitive and it doesn't fit the fast paced nature of Kai imo. I actually used to like the music used in the replacement score when Goku was powering up but in Kai they just used the song over and over for the episode recaps which really ruined it for me.

Yup the score in the first video sounds better then the one in the second video.

[JEFFMAN219]

it doesn't fit the fast paced nature of Kai imo.

I never understand this kind of statement. What does the fast pace have to do with the Kikuchi score? Most of its tracks were composed for fast paced movies. Also, I don't think that the Yamamoto score is especially fast paced.

I just don't think it fits, the Kikuchi score really ages the show imo.

I can't lie though the music used in this scene sounds sick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM4wrLQk65s

[penguintruth]

The Kikuchi score is still superior to Yamamoto's. And honestly there are a lot of great episodes of Kikuchi music placement in Kai, especially in the Cell Games.

I do agree that them really only using the same handful of tracks got a bit tiresome at times, but the problem is overstated.

[kei17]

The Kikuchi score is still superior to Yamamoto's.

Who would argue against that absolute fact? The only advantage of the Yamamoto score over Kikuchi's is that it's technically more modern. Other than that, the Kikuchi score is leagues superior in every single fucking way. I will never accept any objections to this. Never.

I do agree that them really only using the same handful of tracks got a bit tiresome at times, but the problem is overstated.

Maybe the problem is overstated as you say, but personally I can't stand how the score is misused all the more for my strong love for it.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Who would argue against that absolute fact? The only advantage of the Yamamoto score over Kikuchi's is that it's technically more modern. Other than that, the Kikuchi score is leagues superior in every single fucking way. I will never accept any objections to this. Never.

No offense, but uh...that's kind of what opinions are. Someone can like something different from you, and you don't really have the power to call out their opinions as blasphemy. The best you can do is screw your fingers into your ears and go 'LALALALA YOU'RE WRONG LALALA', which is already what that attitude is coming off as really. Just saying.

For what it's worth, I prefer the Kikuchi score as a whole, but for Kai which is supposed to be this 'new experience' (though other than a better dub, it really isn't since it's the same old story and animation we've always had), a new score helps in attempting to meet that charge. That's why I'm so excited to hear what the Boo arc music is going to sound like rather than them having continued just tossing back in the Z score. Personally, I think it would have been better if they'd hired someone really good to do new versions of the Kikuchi BGM for Kai from the beginning, but it is what it is I guess.

[Ajay]

Who would argue against that absolute fact? The only advantage of the Yamamoto score over Kikuchi's is that it's technically more modern. Other than that, the Kikuchi score is leagues superior in every single fucking way. I will never accept any objections to this. Never.

No offense, but uh...that's kind of what opinions are. Someone can like something different from you, and you don't really have the power to call out their opinions as blasphemy. The best you can do is screw your fingers into your ears and go 'LALALALA YOU'RE WRONG LALALA', which is already what that attitude is coming off as really. Just saying.

Pretty sure he was just joking around to get his point across about how much he likes the Kikuchi score.

I'm the same when it comes to people saying they prefer Schemmel to Nozawa or if someone thinks 16:9 is superior to 4:3 for this show. In my head, they're absolutely insane and I totally think less of them for it but at the end of the day, their opinion is their opinion and that's unfortunately how it is.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Ahhh, if it was just an over-emphasized joke, then I apologize then. It just irks me when I see people state their own opinions as facts and declare everyone else as dead wrong, especially over something as varied as entertainment.

[TheRed259]

Dear Kikuchi Kai fans, even the funniest joke must be said only once. Otherwise, it looses his value and the people around you will get hot under the collar. The same goes for the Kikuchi score. His music may be a masterpiece but having it for almost 10 years in the anime series (DB,DBZ,Movies) and reusing it again after so many years in a wrong way (DBZ Kai), well, that's more that enough. You will get bored sooner or later.

[VegettoEX]

You will get bored sooner or later.

Nope. Specifically imported the Japanese Sparking! games for the music and furious that we continue to get it replaced in the current-generation of games.

It's the music to the series to me, I love all of it, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Zestanor]

Here's the real problem with the replacement score: they took all the Kikuchi pieces that had been mixed for CD, put 'em in a big pot, stirred them around, and then picked whatever piece that seemed to fit the scene. Right off the bat, the song bank for all of Kai was no where near as large as Kikuchi's entire score. The other thing wrong here is that they paid no attention to the "era" of a piece of music. Motifs from movie 10 or 11, which didn't debut in Z till the Boo Arc, were looped over and over during the Saiyan Arc. It feels so out of place.

[TheRed259]

@Zestanor Exactly! Everything is not the same. For example, Yamamoto had a unique track for Gohan's Ssj2 transformation while in the Kikuchi Kai version they used again this bgm (it's like telling you that it's not something important). I loved how the atmosphere changed in the Android/Cell Saga with the new Yamamoto tracks while in the Kikuchi version they continued the same story by using almost 10-15 standard bgms along with some others.