Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

[mmg86]

So I watched Gurren Lagann this weekend.

The real enemy to contend with would be the anti spiral. Truth be told, the actual Gurren Lagann and other Spiral Power warriors would be destroyed by Freeza era fighters, outside of the universal one. We never see him blow up a planet or anything.

Uh... are you kidding me? The Ashtangas (those... things with many limbs THAT USE MOONS AS THROWING WEAPONS) are much, much bigger than Earth, and CGGL was ripping them apart with ease. I'm pretty sure one was sliced clean in half with a single boomerang, for example.

http://gurrenlagann.wikia.com/wiki/Ashtanga

And yet again, you are an example of someone that disregards every single ability one side has. Plain old Gurren Lagann had regeneration, spatial teleportation, Arc Gurren Lagann can send you to another dimension with a punch (would love to hear just how "Freeza era fighters" handle that according to you), and i shouldnt even have to list all the stuff CGGL can do, given i already did many pages ago... in fact, if i do the same and ignore abilities of DB characters, i could say something like this (apologies if it sounds offensive, but I'm just trying to make a point):

Truth be told, Vegetto and the other Z warriors would be destroyed by the original Gurren Lagann, outside of the beings from the universes we havent seen yet. We never see Vegetto lift a fortress or anything.

Oh, one more thing. There are a few characters in DB that do have a tiny chance of beating CGGL, the teleporters. Assuming the probability manipulation doesnt do anything funky, such as causing to teleporter to appear somewhere else instead of where it was intended, they could end up inside it. The pilots are much more manageable than the mech after all, hahaha.

[Polyphase Avatron]

It's not like Buu can destroy a universe in one attack. It takes time and characters like the Gold Saints from Saint Seiya can easily blast Buu or Vegito into pieces before they can do anything.

well how long did it take for Vegito to prevent it? and Considering the higher the characters ki is the stronger and faster their abilities are right?

Spoiler:

So Goku counter attacked Freeza's Psychic ability with his own. and Vegito > freeza saga Goku regarding battle power. Meaning his ki should be enough to counter attack the characters you mentioned?

Going by the anime, like several minutes I think.

[goku the krump dancer]

I would think that "casually throwing moons" and "casually blowing them up" (as Piccolo did in the Saiyan arc) are within the same range of feats.

[rereboy]

I would think that "casually throwing moons" and "casually blowing them up" (as Piccolo did in the Saiyan arc) are within the same range of feats.

Its actually planets, I believe, not moons.

"Each one has a probability negation shield, an ability to hide in subspace and to fling planets by unfolding their multiple arms. They can also open their mouths and emit a moaning scream to catch larger opponents like the recently formed Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann off-guard in order to fire tooth-shaped, probability altering missiles in a seemingly endless barrage."

[Rocketman]

Planets and moons are the same thing, it only depends on what they orbit. Planets orbit stars, moons orbit things that orbit stars.

[Polyphase Avatron]

If we want to get into the definition of planet even Pluto isn't one anymore

[rereboy]

Planets and moons are the same thing, it only depends on what they orbit. Planets orbit stars, moons orbit things that orbit stars.

I'm sure that almost everybody knows that, but he was visualizing them as moons comparable to our own purely due to the term "moon". The term "planets", besides being what its stated on the wiki, is much more effective in transmitting the idea that they can be much larger than our moon (or not, we don't really know).

[The Monkey King]

It's not like Buu can destroy a universe in one attack. It takes time and characters like the Gold Saints from Saint Seiya can easily blast Buu or Vegito into pieces before they can do anything.

All the power of all the gold saints combined only added up to a fraction of the sun's power, they then died afterwards as they exhausted all their energy
Saint Seiya is pretty overrated tbh.

[rereboy]

All the power of all the gold saints combined only added up to a fraction of the sun's power, they then died afterwards.
Saint Seiya is pretty overrated tbh.

Besides the fact that they don't really have feats. Their feats are basically just talk. They say that X is faster than whatever, Y is stronger than whatever... We don't really see their power. We just see them talk about their power most of the time. What we see isn't that impressive.

[Bussani]

I'm sure that almost everybody knows that, but he was visualizing them as moons comparable to our own purely due to the term "moon". The term "planets", besides being what its stated on the wiki, is much more effective in transmitting the idea that they can be much larger than our moon (or not, we don't really know).

Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann is about the size of our Moon, right? So if I'm remembering the scene right, each of the planets/moons thrown was about the size of Dione.

The Ashtangas (those... things with many limbs THAT USE MOONS AS THROWING WEAPONS) are much, much bigger than Earth, and CGGL was ripping them apart with ease. I'm pretty sure one was sliced clean in half with a single boomerang, for example.

Yeah, they were pretty much fighting an army of (weirdly shaped) planets at that point.

[mmg86]

To clarify, i call those moons instead of planets because of their size. They are smaller than CGGL, which in turn is bigger than the moon of the TTGL Earth (assuming that the mech grew larger when it transformed from Cathedral Terra to CGGL, and it should, since Gurren Lagann was larger than Gurren)

If CGGL is the same size as our moon, then those planets would be a bit smaller than Pluto... though that still makes the Ashtangas much, much larger than Earth, so the point i was making still stands.

goku the krump dancer, thats a matter of opinion. One is a feat of physical strength (in this case strength coming from sheer size), the other is a feat of energy projection. Its like asking "what is more powerful, regeneration or high durability?"

The Monkey King, read my entire post next time, please. I was giving an example on how those kind of posts are flawed. He said the mechs never destroyed planets (even though they destroyed stuff much larger than Earth...), i pointed out how no one in DB lifted anything as big as what Gurren Lagann lifted. I wasnt saying that the original Gurren Lagann can take energy blasts beyond a city-destroying level.

[Mewzard]

All the power of all the gold saints combined only added up to a fraction of the sun's power, they then died afterwards as they exhausted all their energy
Saint Seiya is pretty overrated tbh.

You're being rather ignorant of what happened in that scene.

The SOLE THING that could destroy the Wall of Lamentations was Sunlight. But since they were at the bottom of Hell, no light could ever reach it from the Sun.

But the Gold Cloths (being the Zodiac) have bathed in the rays of the Sun since the Ages of Myth, so by combining their power, they could recreate Sunlight in Hell and destroy the wall.

To give an actual feat, The Athena Exclamation was stated to rival the power of the Big Bang, but focused on a single point. That's something three Gold Saints could do together. This is stated by an actual narration, not by characters.

We see Seiya swim from the surface of the Ocean to below the bottom of it in moments (after being punched through the entirety of it), Saga directly notes Seiya's speed increase ("Mach 1...Mach 10...Mach 35...Mach 120...") from Mach 1 to the speed of light after that quote.

Hell, when they go from Hell to Elyseum, we get this narration:

"Beyond ten billion lights...past a hundred billion miles of darkness...one finally reaches a world...an endless meadow said to lie upstream from the River Acheron...and beyond the River Lethe...A utopia where only those chosen by the gods are permitted to go after death...a place without hunger, war, pain, or sadness...an eternal paradise free from all suffering and worldly desires...a place called Elyseum!"

Poseidon himself states that Seiya created a miracle to surpass the speed of light at the end of the Poseidon arc.

We're given info about the Cloths (Bronze Cloths only freeze at -150C, Silver Cloths only freeze at -200C, and Gold Cloths only freeze at -273.15C), and about the Saints (Bronze Saints usually are at Mach 1, Silver Saints tend to range from Mach 2-5, and Gold Saints, having gained proper control of their Seventh Sense, fight at the speed of light).

We've seen punches counted (Seiya throwing 85 punches a second with his Pegasus Ryu Sei Ken prior to hitting Mach 1, Leo Aiolia's Lightning Plasma has him throwing over 100,000,000 punches per second), we've seen characters literally sent to the entrance to Hell (Cancer Deathmask's Sekishiki Meikai Ha), characters thrown into Another Dimension, characters having their senses stripped from them.

This stuff isn't contradicted anywhere in the series, the writer intends all of this to be factual.

[The Monkey King]

Volume 21. Ch1. Pg26-27.

Leo (a gold saint), in his fight against Laimi, of the Hidden Terrestrial Star, comments on something VERY interesting.

One of Laimi’s tentacles went through a temple’s “column in one strike”.

Then goes on to say, “I wouldn’t have thought that he had that kind of strength”.

That statement would make one think, “why is he surprised by that kind of strength, I mean it’s just a column. He’s a Gold Saint, I heard they’ve got Star+ durability”.

Then Aiolia further says, “One blow from that and that’s it for me”.

The guy is wearing his Gold Cloth, yet something with the strength to go through a column in one strike is fatal to him.

Volume 27. Ch 104. Pg 5.

During Seiya’s fight against Thanatos, Seiya used 'Pegasus Rolling Crash'.

**(Seiya grabs his enemy from behind, jumps into the air and dives down with the opponent beneath him. Crushing the enemy between himself and the ground)** Thanatos teleported out of Seiya’s hands while Seiya was diving down. So, Seiya’s head hits the ground, then he falls into a state of unconsciousness. He jumped a few meters into the air, and that’s what happens when his head hits the ground. Where’s that durability that people were talking about? The Durability that puts them on level of Goku, Superman, Herald, etc.

Volume 21. Ch4. Pg 178-179.

“If two Athena Exclamations, two small Big Bangs, collide, their destructive force will not be multiplied by 2 or 3, but will be 'Infinite'..."

“In that case, the House of Virgo, the 12 Houses, all of Sanctuary...will be destroyed”.

That’s what happens when two blasts of 'infinite' power collide, destroy Sanctuary. Not the planet, solar system, galaxy or the universe. That’s right, just Sanctuary.

Saint Seiya really doesn't seem that strong, it's just filled to the brim with hyperboles.

[Mewzard]

Volume 21. Ch1. Pg26-27.

Leo (a gold saint), in his fight against Laimi, of the Hidden Terrestrial Star, comments on something VERY interesting.

One of Laimi’s tentacles went through a temple’s “column in one strike”.

Then goes on to say, “I wouldn’t have thought that he had that kind of strength”.

That statement would make one think, “why is he surprised by that kind of strength, I mean it’s just a column. He’s a Gold Saint, I heard they’ve got Star+ durability”.

Then Aiolia further says, “One blow from that and that’s it for me”.

The guy is wearing his Gold Cloth, yet something with the strength to go through a column in one strike is fatal to him.

Volume 27. Ch 104. Pg 5.

During Seiya’s fight against Thanatos, Seiya used 'Pegasus Rolling Crash'.

**(Seiya grabs his enemy from behind, jumps into the air and dives down with the opponent beneath him. Crushing the enemy between himself and the ground)** Thanatos teleported out of Seiya’s hands while Seiya was diving down. So, Seiya’s head hits the ground, then he falls into a state of unconsciousness. He jumped a few meters into the air, and that’s what happens when his head hits the ground. Where’s that durability that people were talking about? The Durability that puts them on level of Goku, Superman, Herald, etc.

Volume 21. Ch4. Pg 178-179.

“If two Athena Exclamations, two small Big Bangs, collide, their destructive force will not be multiplied by 2 or 3, but will be 'Infinite'..."

“In that case, the House of Virgo, the 12 Houses, all of Sanctuary...will be destroyed”.

That’s what happens when two blasts of 'infinite' power collide, destroy Sanctuary. Not the planet, solar system, galaxy or the universe. That’s right, just Sanctuary.

Saint Seiya really doesn't seem that strong, it's just filled to the brim with hyperboles.

If Sanctuary were a normal place, it would have been blown up long ago.

Look at Poseidon's Temple, the 7 Pillars that held up the 7 Oceans took Libra Weapons to break. Even after destroying them, and putting the weight of all of the Earth's Oceans Combined on the Mainstay at the center, even the Libra Weapons couldn't break it. It took Seiya creating a miracle and surpassing the Speed of Light to destroy it.

As for the Athena Exclamation, my official copy of the manga uses "Multiply Exponentially". That doesn't necessarily mean infinite. As for not focusing beyond Sanctuary, if Athena is dead, then Hades wins and the Earth is as good as dead anyways. Also, once again, Sanctuary is a powerful place. Blowing up a god's temple or Olympus itself would probably be a more impressive feat than normal destruction.

As for Thanatos, you're missing the most important thing: Seiya's helmet is gone. Even with godly power, they aren't that much more enduring than normal humans, it's why they wear armor in the first place. Seiya hit the ground head first, naturally he's going to be somewhat messed up.

Seiya punched the God of Death, Thanatos, to Death.

When Hades died, Hell itself and Elyseum collapsed, that's not some minor thing happening, the underworld fell to pieces.

[Rocketman]

The Athena Exclamation was stated to rival the power of the Big Bang, but focused on a single point.

The Big Bang was a single point.

[Mewzard]

The Athena Exclamation was stated to rival the power of the Big Bang, but focused on a single point.

The Big Bang was a single point.

You know what I mean, it's small scale, not expanding out for billions of years. Not literally recreating the Big Bang, but an attack that rivals its power on a small scale.

[Hellspawn28]

Buu's scream was still nothing special. Characters like Anti-Spiral and Unicron would just laugh at Buu's scream for being so weak and lame.

[mAcChaos]

Anti Spiral would be out of Buu's league. But Anti Spiral wouldn't be able to destroy dimensions. Most of his power is in manipulating fake realities to trap the victim.

[TheGmGoken]

Anti Spiral would be out of Buu's league. But Anti Spiral wouldn't be able to destroy dimensions. Most of his power is in manipulating fake realities to trap the victim.

Have you watched the alt. ending?

[mAcChaos]

No. All I saw so far is the main series. What alternate ending? You mean the movies?