Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

[TheGmGoken]

No. All I saw so far is the main series. What alternate ending? You mean the movies?

Yea. The movies are more or less Alt. Endings according to guidebooks. Now here's some feats in TTGL.

Tengan toppa gurren laggan was the size of a galaxy and tanked an attack as powerful as a big bang. In addition they can also deflect there energy attacks back at them. It has been confirmed in the data books that the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is more than 10 million light years in height. This makes it more than one hundred times the diameter of the Milky Way. At points, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and the Anti-Spirals' Grand Zamboa fight at forces powerful enough to destroy entire universes; for example, the Infinity Big Bang Storm used by the Grand Zamboa had, according to Leeron, the "energy capable of creating universes." The battle was so intense that it was shown to rip holes through various dimensions showing that the power of each was on a God-like scale. This is furthered by the fact that they can alter the fundamental laws of reality, such as altering probability and creating matter out of thin air (which is no small feat even by the series' own standard, as the various drills and weapons materialized are larger than most galaxies). According to the creators of the Gurren Lagann anime, the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann also has the ability to create an entire Super Spiral Space universe within itself, allowing the pilots' recognition to become reality. It is 52.8 billion light years tall according to the official guide book from GAINAX and after transforming into a drill its length is multiplied 10 times. The anti-spiral also crushed to galaxies and charged up the energy to the point it was on par with the big bang. Gurren laggan briefly tanked it. It also can manipulate probability.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, however, has thrown galaxies like shuriken and withstood the concentrated power of the Big Bang in addition to using probability altering missiles (altering the probability of hitting the target). Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann also showed the ability to fire missiles into probability space (I think? Lordgenome was able to use it's weapons systems to fire into both the future and the past +/- a few seconds/minutes), but onscreen TTGL was ever shown with that ability. Maybe it can use them, but there's no onscreen evidence I can recall that suggests it can. TTGL would stand a better chance. That might give them the upper hand in this fight. Then again, if I'm recalling this correctly, Yoko has feats in TTGL of shooting a planet which. The last episode had Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan and the Anti-Spiral fight so intense that they litterally ended up in a dimensional vortex were they virtually became TITANS. They were throwing galaxies, stars and planets at each other!!!

[mAcChaos]

That sounds awesome.

Wasn't all that fighting with the Anti Spiral in its own fake illusionary reality though? Like it was in their minds or something. At least that's how it seemed in the series.

[TheGmGoken]

That sounds awesome.

Wasn't all that fighting with the Anti Spiral in its own fake illusionary reality though? Like it was in their minds or something. At least that's how it seemed in the series.

No. Not even in the series(I might be wrong). The place they was in was a space in which conscious beings are trapped within the infinite series of alternate dimensions created by their own past experiences and preferences. However Kamina broke that and people from...the ark(was it an Ark?) was watching the fight from whatever place. So I don't think it was in a fake reality. Especially since they destroyed the Anti Spiral universe which connected to Spiral universe. In which the ruined the Black hole that was destroying the Spiral universe.

[Bussani]

That sounds awesome.

Wasn't all that fighting with the Anti Spiral in its own fake illusionary reality though? Like it was in their minds or something. At least that's how it seemed in the series.

They were inside "Super Spiral Space", where thought becomes reality. So it was real, but at the same time, it wasn't...if that makes any sense. Basically, if you can generate Super Spiral Space, you can more or less make reality whatever you want it to be (e.g. galaxies are shurikens and solid platforms to fight on).

[goku the krump dancer]

I seem to recall reading something about how they do their fighting in "Pocket Universes" in TTGL. That was a looong time ago though.

But let me try and get this straight. Unless they're fighting in this imaginary spiral land majority if not all of their abilities are virtually moot? Thus in the "real world" (for lack of a better term) they get blown to hell by Raditz, let alone first appearance Freeza..

[Mewzard]

I seem to recall reading something about how they do their fighting in "Pocket Universes" in TTGL. That was a looong time ago though.

But let me try and get this straight. Unless they're fighting in this imaginary spiral land majority if not all of their abilities are virtually moot? Thus in the "real world" (for lack of a better term) they get blown to hell by Raditz, let alone first appearance Freeza..

That was only their last mech. They still have Arc Gurren Lagann, who can Shoryuken you through Space-Time, outside of the universe. And later on Chouginga/Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, who can fire countless blasts through time and space to attack you regardless of where you are.

Arc Gurren Lagann is the size of a pretty big space ship (able to take hundreds of thousands of humans and animals into space), and the Cathedral Terra (later redubbed the Chouginga Dai-Gurren) was massive enough to replace the moon's gravity (and was disguised as the Moon while the Moon was kept in some sort of pocket dimension).

So yeah, Raditz goes down hard.

I just doubt anything that happens with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann due to that Super Spiral Space business. Going from Moon-sized mech to Galaxy? The scale didn't work. The Anti-Spiral's version of TTGL, of a similar size, had the Antispiral Home World on its forehead like a jewel, and when it reached into the main universe towards the Earth, the hand was big enough to grab the Earth, but not so much bigger that it could be Galaxy-sized. Much bigger than a normal sized planet, but not even Solar System-sized I'd say.

Still, even ignoring that form (given they struggled to form Chouginga Gurren Lagann and needed a bit of outside help in the end, I doubt they could form TTGL in the real universe even if it was that big), it's a godly mech towards the end.

[Bussani]

But let me try and get this straight. Unless they're fighting in this imaginary spiral land majority if not all of their abilities are virtually moot?

Like Mewzard said, it's only their final, galaxy-throwing "mech" that is a manifestation within Super Spiral Space. The catch is that it can create Super Spiral Space itself, so you might as well consider it one big reality bender.

[Friezacooler]

Arc Gurren Lagann is the size of a pretty big space ship (able to take hundreds of thousands of humans and animals into space), and the Cathedral Terra (later redubbed the Chouginga Dai-Gurren) was massive enough to replace the moon's gravity (and was disguised as the Moon while the Moon was kept in some sort of pocket dimension).

Sounds like

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SSJ4 Goku's stadium feat

some how Raditz would solo that one, i guess since

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Piccolo was fodder to him

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[Polyphase Avatron]

It's not like Buu can destroy a universe in one attack. It takes time and characters like the Gold Saints from Saint Seiya can easily blast Buu or Vegito into pieces before they can do anything.

All the power of all the gold saints combined only added up to a fraction of the sun's power, they then died afterwards as they exhausted all their energy
Saint Seiya is pretty overrated tbh.

That's actually a misunderstanding, it wasn't that they needed to combine their power to equal the power of the sun, it was that the door they were trying to break down had a kind of enchantment on it that could only be broken by being hit with natural sunlight, which was basically impossible as it was in the underworld where there was no sun. So they had to search their Cosmos power to find the exact frequency of light to equal the sun's rays and break it down. If they didn't do that than no amount of brute force power (galaxy destroying, universe destroying, etc.) would be able to effect the door, because it wasn't the same as sunlight.

Besides the fact that they don't really have feats. Their feats are basically just talk. They say that X is faster than whatever, Y is stronger than whatever... We don't really see their power. We just see them talk about their power most of the time. What we see isn't that impressive.

That's not true either, considering the weakened Gemini Kanon was able to destroy tons of planets even without his Cloth, in Episode G Aries Mu was able to destroy a universe, Gemini Saga has destroyed several galaxies... Cronos created the multiverse and is able to control time at will, Thanatos and Hypnos were able to fire blasts from the distance of an entire universe and the Saints were fast enough to block them, they also crossed Hades' dimension and flew past billions/trillions of galaxies in a few minutes, etc. Hades actually also created this dimension with his own power. One of the Titans made a shield by compressing an entire planet down to like a meter across and Shura punched through it.

Just because most of their attacks don't cause that much collateral damage doesn't mean much, it's the same with DBZ, I mean if you look at DBZ there are only really a few instances where planets/moons/etc. are actually destroyed, it's the same with Saint Seiya, it doesn't happen all the time but it does happen and when it does it's impressive.

Saint Seiya really doesn't seem that strong, it's just filled to the brim with hyperboles.

Like I said you could say the same about DBZ just because they don't destroy planets with every single attack. The two Athena Exclamations didn't destroy everything because the users cancelled them.

[mmg86]

Thanatos and Hypnos were able to fire blasts from the distance of an entire universe and the Saints were fast enough to block them

I have to correct you on that. Thanatos wasnt firing blasts that traveled such a distance. It was more like those Cosmo blasts were just willed into existence wherever Thanatos wanted them. They dont travel there, they dont even teleport there... they just materialize a few meters away from the target and head towards it at presumably subsonic speed, since Kiki could intercept them. I mean, Kiki isnt a Saint, despite being the apprentice of a Gold Saint. I see no reason to assume he can match the speed of even a regular Bronze Saint.

The Monkey King, everything you quoted seems really familiar to me. I'm sure i saw those posts... at Moviecodec, urgh. What do you know of Saint Seiya? Id like to know if I'm talking to someone with some familiarity with the material, or someone who only knows what someone at Moviecodec said.

The column example can be explained simply by assuming that, much like the pillars in Poseidon Temple, the ones in Sanctuary are extremely resilient. I mean, come on, you have some of the weakest characters in the manga (the main characters during their final tests to become Bronze Saints, and soon after that) doing this kind of stuff:

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Regarding the Rolling Crash, i have never seen the move as "jumping a few meters into the air and letting gravity do its thing". I dont know how it works, but its obviously not as simple as that. I mean, all those pics i just showed you? Those are generic punches from some of the weakest characters. Pegasus Rolling Crash is introduced as something more powerful than Pegasus Ryuseiken. As something lethal to someone who shrugs off not generic punches, but "special punches"... from characters stronger than the ones in the pics...

And the Athena Exclamation collision would grow to encompass Sanctuary. And? The tech has the power of the Big Bang. Its not presented as a guess from anyone, its presented as fact. Normally it has a much smaller range than that, so growing to encompass Sanctuary is quite a big deal. I can even go as far as pointing out that just because Mu stops talking when he says "all of Sanctuary", doesnt mean the destruction would stop there. Its just that the rest wouldnt matter, because that would be enough to kill all the Gold Saints and Athena. Hades wins at that point, if it destroys more than Sanctuary it would be irrelevant. Nevermind that it was all just speculation from Mu, because this was the first time an Athena Exclamation collision ever happens.

Before Rocketman jumps down my throat, i wanna clarify. Athena Exclamation is never claimed to create a Big Bang, it is simply an attack that rivals the power of a Big Bang. Its focused on a singular target (usually a person), rather than being a space-time creating event.

[Rocketman]

Cronos created the multiverse and is able to control time at will

Oh come on, that's not even close.

[Mewzard]

Cronos created the multiverse and is able to control time at will

Oh come on, that's not even close.

I'm not sure what the multiverse bit is, but Chronos did appear in Saint Seiya: Next Dimension (as some sort of disembodied voice), and was able to send Hecate thousands of lightyears away quite casually, and sent Athena and Shun back in time to the point they wished to go to (while also manipulating Athena's Telomeres so she would de-age...because gods are petty/easily amused by screwing with people).

I assume that's the god he was referring to, and not the father of Zeus and company, who was a Titan.

[TheGmGoken]

I seem to recall reading something about how they do their fighting in "Pocket Universes" in TTGL. That was a looong time ago though.

But let me try and get this straight. Unless they're fighting in this imaginary spiral land majority if not all of their abilities are virtually moot? Thus in the "real world" (for lack of a better term) they get blown to hell by Raditz, let alone first appearance Freeza..

Well in a way they can bend reality and make the "imaginary" become reality. Thus making it THE REAL WORLD. So yea TTGL kicks ass.

"DO THE IMPOSSIBLE! DO THE UN-THINKABLE! ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA!

"WHO THE HELL YOU THINK I AM!"

In a nutshell:

Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

No. He's not even the strongest in his OWN anime series. He's not the strongest in his OWN anime franchise. This honestly isn't even debatable.

INFINITY BIG BANG STORM!

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