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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:44 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I hate when people use the term "Seasons" when DBZ does not have seasons. To me, there's only 7 sagas in DB and 4 in DBZ. Funi brain wash people with their home video sets since some people still use the name "Captain Ginyu Saga".
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It urkes me too.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:44 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
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Hades wrote:Cooler was the best movie villain, hands down.

- Actually competent, as though he had put the Evil Overlord List in his top ten books.
- Inspired confidence among his men (after all, Cooler's Elite actually respected him), whereas Freez
- In short, he was too intelligent for Dragonball (like Super Buu or Demon King Piccolo)
That's not really an unpopular opinion, not at all.
How? That's not something you see everyday. Most people like him but very few praise him as 'the best'.
Well, among the movie villains, does he really have that much competition? I mean, Garlic Junior, maybe, possibly Janemba, if you're into the less cerebral, more funny/psychotic enemies. The rest don't really hold a candle to Cooler, in my opinion.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ajay » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:51 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, among the movie villains, does he really have that much competition? I mean, Garlic Junior, maybe, possibly Janemba, if you're into the less cerebral, more funny/psychotic enemies. The rest don't really hold a candle to Cooler, in my opinion.
Hrmm, that's true. He does have some original personality. I guess I'm thinking too much about the movies' quality rather than the villains themselves. I can't stand the Coola movies personally and find the character himself to be a slightly revamped Freeza.

If we're counting Battle of Gods then I'd say Beerus is far more interesting.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:54 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, among the movie villains, does he really have that much competition? I mean, Garlic Junior, maybe, possibly Janemba, if you're into the less cerebral, more funny/psychotic enemies. The rest don't really hold a candle to Cooler, in my opinion.
Hrmm, that's true. He does have some original personality. I guess I'm thinking too much about the movies' quality rather than the villains themselves. I can't stand the Coola movies personally and find the character himself to be a slightly revamped Freeza.

If we're counting Battle of Gods then I'd say Beerus is far more interesting.
Yeah, forgot about Battle of Gods. I still haven't seen it though, so I can't really form an opinion there. I mean, I know what happens, but it's just not the same as seeing it for myself.

But, as far as I'm concerned, even a slightly revamped Freeza is better than Broly, space pirates, a giant robot mad scientist, Broly, a giant bug-Godzilla thing, Piccolo Daimao MK-2, and Broly. :P
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ajay » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:08 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:But, as far as I'm concerned, even a slightly revamped Freeza is better than Broly, space pirates, a giant robot mad scientist, Broly, a giant bug-Godzilla thing, Piccolo Daimao MK-2, and Broly. :P
I have a huge weakness for Bojack and his space pirate crew so I'm incredibly biased in that regard! But yeah, I think anything is better than SSJ Hulk and his monotonous 'KAKARROTO!' cries.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:38 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
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Hades wrote:Cooler was the best movie villain, hands down.

- Actually competent, as though he had put the Evil Overlord List in his top ten books.
- Inspired confidence among his men (after all, Cooler's Elite actually respected him), whereas Freez
- In short, he was too intelligent for Dragonball (like Super Buu or Demon King Piccolo)
That's not really an unpopular opinion, not at all.
How? That's not something you see everyday. Most people like him but very few praise him as 'the best'.
well, at least in here, i find that people tend to like Cooler better than any other filler movie villain. and i'm one of them. basically all movie villains sucks except for Beers (awesome, unique) Cooler (very good) Turles (decent) Broly (overrated, decent in the movie 8. terrible in the rest two movies)

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Post by orbweaver » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:49 am

I love Beers/Bills/Biris/etc.

He got me back into Dragon Ball fandom. He's a really interesting and unique character and not at all a generic bad guy, and I love the way he's so catlike in the way he's animated... Reminds me of any of the cats that I live with, lol.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:52 am

orbweaver wrote:I love Beers/Bills/Biris/etc.

He got me back into Dragon Ball fandom. He's a really interesting and unique character and not at all a generic bad guy, and I love the way he's so catlike in the way he's animated... Reminds me of any of the cats that I live with, lol.
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Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:18 pm

orbweaver wrote:I love Beers/Bills/Biris/etc.

He got me back into Dragon Ball fandom. He's a really interesting and unique character and not at all a generic bad guy, and I love the way he's so catlike in the way he's animated... Reminds me of any of the cats that I live with, lol.
I mentioned this a while back and I agree. He's what TVTropes calls "Affably Evil," which may be why fans don't see him as a bad guy that much. It's hard to take the dude seriously if he's freaking out over not having pudding. :D

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by garnetjester » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:21 pm

Beerus is the best villain to me too, but when it comes to the other movies, I think Tullece is the best villain personality wise, then Cooler and Bojack. The worst is obviously Broly but he doesn't have a personality, he's just berserk.
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Post by ABED » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:46 pm

I don't recall Bojack having much in the way of personality.
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Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:57 pm

garnetjester wrote:I think Tullece is the best villain personality wise, then Cooler and Bojack. The worst is obviously Broly but he doesn't have a personality, he's just berserk.
Tullece, I wholesomely agree with. I never got what was so special about Broly. I mean, he's so bland. It's no wonder I never rewatched movies with him.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:24 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, among the movie villains, does he really have that much competition? I mean, Garlic Junior, maybe, possibly Janemba, if you're into the less cerebral, more funny/psychotic enemies. The rest don't really hold a candle to Cooler, in my opinion.
Hrmm, that's true. He does have some original personality. I guess I'm thinking too much about the movies' quality rather than the villains themselves. I can't stand the Coola movies personally and find the character himself to be a slightly revamped Freeza.

If we're counting Battle of Gods then I'd say Beerus is far more interesting.
Beerus is the least interesting piece of monkey crap that ever grace DB. Except for Broly in movie 10 and 11

He's basically Broly mixed with Boo.
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"SUPER SAIYAN GOD!"

He acts just like Boo honestly. Nice and fun. Gets mad over silly things. The Gods feared him. His clothing is similar to both Boo's and Broly's. Birsu is just what would happen if Boo ate Toriyama's cat(Thank god for it's magical recoveries)

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Movie 10 > Movie 8. I mean Movie 8 had great first half. But the 2nd half ruined it for me. Movie 10 Broly was bad but at least the other characters made up for it.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:25 pm

Another slightly unpopular opinion of mine - there is not a single thing any of the Z-Fighters did that ever made me dislike them more.

Goku gives Cell a Senzu, lets his son get beat up, helps release Buu, and doesn't beat Buu when he had the chance? Oh well. That's Goku, for you.

Vegeta acts like an unhelpful dickwad in the Cell saga? Oh well. It made sense for his character, and he got his ass handed to him because of his actions anyway.

Gohan acts completely out-of-character in the Cell Games? Oh well. Considering how Gohan's a growing boy still in the middle of developing himself, I can go with it.

This sort of ties in to my previous post about how there's nor a single flaw in DBZ that I fell actually detracts from the experience.
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thatdbzguy wrote:Another slightly unpopular opinion of mine
Since you dislike every aspect of Z(even music...). What do you dislike about Goten, Bulma, Turles, Birsu(I hate him to), Whis(Hate him even more), and King Kai

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:32 pm

I think Beers is okay on part of actually having a personality, even though I hate many aspects about his role and backstory. Why do you hate him?
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:38 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I think Beers is okay on part of actually having a personality, even though I hate many aspects about his role and backstory. Why do you hate him?
Already stated.
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AjayLikesGaming wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, among the movie villains, does he really have that much competition? I mean, Garlic Junior, maybe, possibly Janemba, if you're into the less cerebral, more funny/psychotic enemies. The rest don't really hold a candle to Cooler, in my opinion.
Hrmm, that's true. He does have some original personality. I guess I'm thinking too much about the movies' quality rather than the villains themselves. I can't stand the Coola movies personally and find the character himself to be a slightly revamped Freeza.

If we're counting Battle of Gods then I'd say Beerus is far more interesting.
Beerus is the least interesting piece of monkey crap that ever grace DB. Except for Broly in movie 10 and 11

He's basically Broly mixed with Boo.
"KAKAROT!"
"SUPER SAIYAN GOD!"

He acts just like Boo honestly. Nice and fun. Gets mad over silly things. The Gods feared him. His clothing is similar to both Boo's and Broly's. Birsu is just what would happen if Boo ate Toriyama's cat(Thank god for it's magical recoveries)
I should add that he just boring IMO. "Hey hey hey! I'm Beerus! Just like Boo I get mad over silly things and because of that Shit get real. However this time it's my job to destroy not why I was created like Boo. The Gods fear me just like Boo. I sleepy for over 30(Was it 30?) years! I dream about SSG as if I was Broly dreaming about Kakarot! "

I hate Whis more though since he's the typical. I smile all the time. I'm extremely polite. Don't get much screentime however I'm the strongest in the universe type of character

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Post by ABED » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:39 pm

Goku gives Cell a Senzu, lets his son get beat up, helps release Buu, and doesn't beat Buu when he had the chance? Oh well. That's Goku, for you.
Cell wasn't a match for Gohan anyways. He didn't let Gohan get beat up. Gohan was the only one that could defeat Cell. He doesn't help release Buu, his energy was taken in a fight, and he couldn't just defeat Buu with a single blow. SS3 takes energy. And once again, the issue is made murky because Toriyama doesn't plan ahead thus plot holes like why Goku would fight Vegeta when there were more important things at stake.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:43 pm

ABED wrote:
Goku gives Cell a Senzu, lets his son get beat up, helps release Buu, and doesn't beat Buu when he had the chance? Oh well. That's Goku, for you.
He doesn't help release Buu, his energy was taken in a fight, and he couldn't just defeat Buu with a single blow. SS3 takes energy. And once again, the issue is made murky because Toriyama doesn't plan ahead thus plot holes like why Goku would fight Vegeta when there were more important things at stake.
Okay, BS. He fights Vegeta even when he doesn't need to leading to Buu's release, when he easily could've one-shotted Vegeta at any time. SS3 takes energy, but Goku was far ahead of Fat Buu and admitted himself he could've won their fight if he actually tried. This issue isn't murky at all, Toriyama explicitly outlined Goku's character and gave explanations for why he did these things, even if he didn't need to (e.g. he didn't need to have Goku be superior to Fat Buu, Fat Buu didn't exist anymore).
Already stated.
You hate him because he has some things in common with Buu?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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TheGmGoken wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:Another slightly unpopular opinion of mine
Since you dislike every aspect of Z(even music...). What do you dislike about Goten, Bulma, Tullece, Birsu(I hate him to), Whis(Hate him even more), and King Kai
Today's one of my more feel-good days, so I don't dislike absolutely everything about Z at the moment. But I will tackle those characters:

Goten: Nothing really against him. He's just kind of there. He can be sort of cute sometimes, I guess.

Bulma: Annoying up until she becomes a mom and learns to grow up.

Tullece: He's okay, I guess. Literally just an anti-Goku.

Beerus: He's fun. Say what you will about how unoriginal he is, he's still enjoyable to watch.

Whis: See Goten (minus the cute part).

King Kai: Another "just kinda there" character.
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