One of the reasons I hate BoG. I know he was a SSJ with Black hair. But I was trying to be in-universe. Even though it's hard with BoG. WAIT! Beerus > Gohan Boo. Beerus is the strongest "badguy" in DB's history, How would SSj2 Gotenks beat him?RandomGuy96 wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:How can it been an AU when the 17 universes are NOTHING alike. You mean Alt. Timeline or Alt. Dimension? Also didn't Toriyama state he wrote this as if it was writing the manga> Also Mystic Gohan was in the movie. Just poorly re-animated because of.....SSJ issuesRandomGuy96 wrote:It's an AU where Super Buu, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan never existed, as a result of Mister Satan successfully turning Fat Buu to the side of good. It explains the staggering number of inconsistencies, or at least most of them.
Vegetto fanboys win. Because at least the general fanbase acknowledges Broly fanboys for what they are..
No, he wasn't. He's poorly recolored with black hair, but the story still treats him as a SS.
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Where's that stated? If you're talking about Toriyama saying he surpasses the dimension of previous enemies, hey, technically in this universe, he is the strongest enemy. No Super Buu or Hildegarn. 
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Beerus being the strongest person in DB history was stated around when the movie first came out(Making Whis a surprise).RandomGuy96 wrote:Where's that stated? If you're talking about Toriyama saying he surpasses the dimension of previous enemies, hey, technically in this universe, he is the strongest enemy. No Super Buu or Hildegarn.
VegettoEX wrote: It's an extension of logic based on a statement made in the February 2013 issue of V-Jump which highlights a few tidbits of information in promotion of the then-upcoming movie. One of the tidbits states (back when we didn't know the name pun sources and still used the direct romanization of the character's name):
The logic goes that if Beerus is the strongest being in the history of Z, and Vegetto was in Z, that must mean that Beerus is stronger than Vegetto.V-Jump wrote:We’ll be blunt about this at least: "Birusu" is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of "Z"!!!
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The movie, no matter what plot-holes has, is written with the story in mind taking place in the main timeline ("it's part of the official history and not a spin-off or a side-story", "we don't care about GT because it's not part of the original", manga recap in the end credits up until Boo's death aka the events of the movie). You can have it as an AU in your personal canon, but your opinion isn't a fact. Even the "fact" that the scene was originally going to have SS Gohan fighting Beerus in the final cut until a fan pointed out the error isn't a fact, it's an opinion as well (not that I don't agree with you about their original intentions, but speculation is still speculation).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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The statement is quite clearly objectively wrong, and can be disregarded as having no meaning, because Whis is far stronger.Beerus being the strongest person in DB history was stated around when the movie first came out(Making Whis a surprise).
If they tried to do that (place it in the main timeline), they failed hard, and it isn't as a result. But I don't think ALL of these holes could've been completely unintentional, there's just too many.The movie, no matter what plot-holes has, is written with the story in mind taking place in the main timeline ("it's part of the official history and not a spin-off or a side-story", "we don't care about GT because it's not part of the original", manga recap in the end credits up until Boo's death aka the events of the movie).
Well, this is a versus thread. You asked others how they thought two characters with cryptic and never explicitly outlined powers (as a result of being hypothetical and a movie character respectively) would do against each other. So essentially you were asking for my opinion, as there's no cold hard facts for them in this case.You can have it as an AU in your personal canon, but your opinion isn't a fact. Even the "fact" that the scene was originally going to have SS Gohan fighting Beerus in the final cut until a fan pointed out the error isn't a fact, it's an opinion as well (not that I don't agree with you about their original intentions, but speculation is still speculation).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Whis power was a surprise. Why say Whis is the strongest. It would ruin the movie for some and make a spoiler. What if at the Boo Arc it was stated Vegetto was the strongest when Gohan was fighting Boo?The statement is quite clearly objectively wrong, and can be disregarded as having no meaning, because Whis is far stronger.
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I fail to see what that has to do with anything.TheGmGoken wrote:Whis power was a surprise. Why say Whis is the strongest. It would ruin the movie for some and make a spoiler. What if at the Boo Arc it was stated Vegetto was the strongest when Gohan was fighting Boo?The statement is quite clearly objectively wrong, and can be disregarded as having no meaning, because Whis is far stronger.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Guys, debating for this line isn't getting you anywhere. We already have Whis > Beerus > Anything the Z-Senshi could do from the movie itself.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Whis was a mystery character to a degree. Whis power was a surprise. I honestly thought of Whis as someone who goes with Beerus. Didn't expect him to be the strongest. Now imagine had we already known that. Whis would not been such as shock or a mystery. IT would spoil the movie for some. Why isn't the strongest fighting!? Why is that weakling Beerus fighting! Goku needs to fight the best! Now if Gohan was kicking Boo's ass. Then it was stated Vegetto is the strongest. Vegetto not only haven't appeared but we don't know who he is. Same with Whis. So that statement is NOT wrong cause Whis is stronger. It was hiding a spoiler.RandomGuy96 wrote:I fail to see what that has to do with anything.TheGmGoken wrote:Whis power was a surprise. Why say Whis is the strongest. It would ruin the movie for some and make a spoiler. What if at the Boo Arc it was stated Vegetto was the strongest when Gohan was fighting Boo?The statement is quite clearly objectively wrong, and can be disregarded as having no meaning, because Whis is far stronger.
DON'T SPOIL THE MOVIE!
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Beers Vs strongest version of Bebi
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Depends on where you have SSJ4 compared to Super Saiyan God. If you have SSJ4 being stronger then Bebi wins.Kid Buu wrote:Beers Vs strongest version of Bebi
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Where so? If it's what I think it is, don't care.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Guys, debating for this line isn't getting you anywhere. We already have Whis > Beerus > Anything the Z-Senshi could do from the movie itself.
Again, so? That's all OOU.Whis was a mystery character to a degree. Whis power was a surprise. I honestly thought of Whis as someone who goes with Beerus. Didn't expect him to be the strongest. Now imagine had we already known that. Whis would not been such as shock or a mystery. IT would spoil the movie for some. Why isn't the strongest fighting!? Why is that weakling Beerus fighting! Goku needs to fight the best! Now if Gohan was kicking Boo's ass. Then it was stated Vegetto is the strongest. Vegetto not only haven't appeared but we don't know who he is. Same with Whis. So that statement is NOT wrong cause Whis is stronger. It was hiding a spoiler.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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How could you complain that I'm being OOU? Wen you said...RandomGuy96 wrote:Again, so? That's all OOU.Whis was a mystery character to a degree. Whis power was a surprise. I honestly thought of Whis as someone who goes with Beerus. Didn't expect him to be the strongest. Now imagine had we already known that. Whis would not been such as shock or a mystery. IT would spoil the movie for some. Why isn't the strongest fighting!? Why is that weakling Beerus fighting! Goku needs to fight the best! Now if Gohan was kicking Boo's ass. Then it was stated Vegetto is the strongest. Vegetto not only haven't appeared but we don't know who he is. Same with Whis. So that statement is NOT wrong cause Whis is stronger. It was hiding a spoiler.
No, he wasn't. He's poorly recolored with black hair,
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I believe that Beers is somewhere between Super Bebi 2 and Golden Oozaru Bebi, so Bebi wins if he is infused with blutz waves.Kid Buu wrote:Beers Vs strongest version of Bebi
Super Buu w/ Gohan vs Super Yi Xi Long at equal power levels
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Because the story treats him as a SS. No one treats Beers as stronger than characters that don't exist and never existed in this timeline.TheGmGoken wrote:How could you complain that I'm being OOU? Wen you said...RandomGuy96 wrote:Again, so? That's all OOU.Whis was a mystery character to a degree. Whis power was a surprise. I honestly thought of Whis as someone who goes with Beerus. Didn't expect him to be the strongest. Now imagine had we already known that. Whis would not been such as shock or a mystery. IT would spoil the movie for some. Why isn't the strongest fighting!? Why is that weakling Beerus fighting! Goku needs to fight the best! Now if Gohan was kicking Boo's ass. Then it was stated Vegetto is the strongest. Vegetto not only haven't appeared but we don't know who he is. Same with Whis. So that statement is NOT wrong cause Whis is stronger. It was hiding a spoiler.No, he wasn't. He's poorly recolored with black hair,
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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That's still being OOU. He was "Redrawn" is OOU. He has Black hair and powered up. So he's Mystic or so drunk he fought in base form. He wasn't SSJ because he doesn't have green eyes and blonde hair.Because the story treats him as a SS. No one treats Beers as stronger than characters that don't exist and never existed in this timeline.
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So, in case you guys haven't gotten it yet, I was kidding. I think either Beers >>> Godku >>>>>>>> SS3 Vegetto, or Beers >= Super Vegetto >>> Buuhan >= Godku.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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SSj4 Kaioken x 48 Goku(Fuck logic and no strain) vs SSj4 Gogeta(No time limit)
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Goku explodes...TheGmGoken wrote:SSj4 Kaioken x 48 Goku(Fuck logic and no strain) vs SSj4 Gogeta(No time limit)
Nah but seriously, if this is beyond limits SS4 Goku he wins. If it's not, SS4 Gogeta stomps, since:
SS4 Goku <<<<<<<<<< x10 Kamehameha < Syn Shenron <<<<<<<<<< Omega Shenron <<<<< SS4 Gogeta
And by that I mean the x10 Kamehameha is ten times stronger than Goku and Omega is ten times stronger than Syn. Syn tanked the x10 Kamehameha.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I still say 100% Beerus and Whis are > anybody in GT.
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